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In this new interview (at 19:00) the BMD rep states they are looking to add compatibility for the new Pyxis monitor to work with the Micro 4K G2! Game changer for that camera—especially if this monitor is just step 1 towards a new Video Assist with similar features. Camera control and playback (assuming a new VA could actually record BRAW) would really open the doors wide

https://www.youtube.com/live/A7AIeDofqA ... p2t0DYtiHi


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willvontagen wrote:In this new interview (at 19:00) the BMD rep states they are looking to add compatibility for the new Pyxis monitor to work with the Micro 4K G2!

Great find, good info, thanks for sharing.

If they can't get it to connect directly, maybe perhaps make an adapter that will use REST API so it would still work.

ShaheedMalik wrote:If they can't get it to connect directly, maybe perhaps make an adapter that will use REST API so it would still work.

I think it will connect directly—they had to have anticipated this when they built the G2. I don’t believe the idea for Pyxis monitor came after NAB feedback—this has likely been in the works for a while. Also, the usb already does significantly more than the ones on the pocket line with its zoom demand compatibility.

I think the only real question will be if they introduce a usbc hub for it so you can still record to drives—or will they be releasing a VA that is very similar to this monitor that lets you record to it directly.


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willvontagen wrote:I think it will connect directly—they had to have anticipated this when they built the G2. I don’t believe the idea for Pyxis monitor came after NAB feedback—this has likely been in the works for a while…

I’m recalling that one of the BMD representatives said the new lightweight monitor was developed as an alternate for the URSA Cine EVF as not every shooting situation is going to be able to use the Cine EVF and the monitor could be another screen with the means of controlling the Cine camera. But they soon realized the potential for the new monitor would be even better suited to the Pyxis which can also use the Cine EVF.

I expect many Pyxis purchases will also include the Pyxis Monitor Kit. Some people feel the Kit mount is highly priced, but the engineering of the Pyxis mount looks extremely well thought out. I’ve seen other mounts that are definitely a savings for those who are looking for a simpler solution but I trust that the Pyxis mount is a durable, very flexible, and worthwhile expenditure.

For those who use the Pyxis Monitor, one must consider the B-mount with the largest battery capacity available. As mentioned, if you’re shooting outdoors, 1500 nits will require significantly more energy than shooting at 500 nits or much lower which is adequate for indoor shooting.

rick.lang wrote:

willvontagen wrote:I think it will connect directly—they had to have anticipated this when they built the G2. I don’t believe the idea for Pyxis monitor came after NAB feedback—this has likely been in the works for a while…

I’m recalling that one of the BMD representatives said the new lightweight monitor was developed as an alternate for the URSA Cine EVF as not every shooting situation is going to be able to use the Cine EVF and the monitor could be another screen with the means of controlling the Cine camera. But they soon realized the potential for the new monitor would be even better suited to the Pyxis which can also use the Cine EVF.

I expect many Pyxis purchases will also include the Pyxis Monitor Kit. Some people feel the Kit mount is highly priced, but the engineering of the Pyxis mount looks extremely well thought out. I’ve seen other mounts that are definitely a savings for those who are looking for a simpler solution but I trust that the Pyxis mount is a durable, very flexible, and worthwhile expenditure.

For those who use the Pyxis Monitor, one must consider the B-mount with the largest battery capacity available. As mentioned, if you’re shooting outdoors, 1500 nits will require significantly more energy than shooting at 500 nits or much lower which is adequate for indoor shooting.

Agreed on the mount for sure. I actually designed my Pyxis cage specifically to try and maintain the footprint of the actual camera as much as possible so BMD proprietary accessories could still be used—including now the monitor mount.

I will be updating the Micro cage, too, before the next production run to be sure the monitor mount will carry over now as well.


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The question is does the USB port on the Micro G2 support power delivery?

ShaheedMalik wrote:The question is does the USB port on the Micro G2 support power delivery?

Yes it does—as it is able to power both the zoom and focus demands via the cable


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willvontagen wrote:

ShaheedMalik wrote:The question is does the USB port on the Micro G2 support power delivery?

Yes it does—as it is able to power both the zoom and focus demands via the cable


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They probably have to update the firmware on the Micro G2.

Would be nice if the monitor had a USB C Hub.

Richard Knight wrote:Would be nice if the monitor had a USB C Hub.

Pyxis Monitor G2?

It would be great to have a Pyxis monitor with a USB-C out that would allow either zoom/focus demand to be connected OR the Ursa Cine EVF - allowing for both the EVF and monitor to be used on the Pyxis. That being said, there could be a power limitation there - not sure if the USB-C in the Pyxis/MicroG2 could power two devices simultaneously. Would be cool, if possible. The more flexibility with as few extra cables as possible, the better.

Why am I excited about this most??

Anyone with this monitor try hooking it up to the Micro G2?

I don’t think this will be possible without—at least—a firmware update. I did try plugging in a USBC to HDMI adapter (which works on the Pyxis) but got no signal.

I also feel for this to work (or be worth it), BMD will need to either offer a VA that works off the USBC (like the monitor) and offers internal recording, or develop their own USBC hub of sorts.

Or……. Another Micro (cine g2 maybe?) with either internal recording of its own, or the hdmi replaced with a second USBC.

If all the Pyxis monitor does is offer touchscreen menu to the Micro for use during live broadcast (and not for actual recording) it won’t be much of a fix.


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The lack of a second USB-C seems to be a pretty big hindrance.

If the Pyxis monitor does eventually work, with a firmware update, and you want to record on an SSD, we would need a USB-C hub that can pass through the video signal, and also be able to connect to SSD.

Maybe something like the Focus hub that DJI recently released. Maybe even include a bluetooth chip???

willvontagen wrote:I don’t think this will be possible without—at least—a firmware update. I did try plugging in a USBC to HDMI adapter (which works on the Pyxis) but got no signal.

I also feel for this to work (or be worth it), BMD will need to either offer a VA that works off the USBC (like the monitor) and offers internal recording, or develop their own USBC hub of sorts.

Or……. Another Micro (cine g2 maybe?) with either internal recording of its own, or the hdmi replaced with a second USBC.

If all the Pyxis monitor does is offer touchscreen menu to the Micro for use during live broadcast (and not for actual recording) it won’t be much of a fix.


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The Micro G2 already supports USB hubs. We are probably waiting on a Firmware update then.

ShaheedMalik wrote:

willvontagen wrote:I don’t think this will be possible without—at least—a firmware update. I did try plugging in a USBC to HDMI adapter (which works on the Pyxis) but got no signal.

I also feel for this to work (or be worth it), BMD will need to either offer a VA that works off the USBC (like the monitor) and offers internal recording, or develop their own USBC hub of sorts.

Or……. Another Micro (cine g[emoji[emoji[emoji6][emoji6]][emoji[emoji[emoji6]][emoji[emoji6]]]] maybe?) with either internal recording of its own, or the hdmi replaced with a second USBC.

If all the Pyxis monitor does is offer touchscreen menu to the Micro for use during live broadcast (and not for actual recording) it won’t be much of a fix.


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The Micro G[emoji[emoji[emoji6][emoji6]][emoji[emoji[emoji6]][emoji[emoji6]]]] already supports USB hubs. We are probably waiting on a Firmware update then.

I know. But for passing through something like a video signal and making this an “official” solution from BMD—I doubt throwing customers to the mercy of finding which hubs can manage the signal and power output and which won’t wound be appropriate. It would be better solved with an official usb solution.

I mentioned once in a video the possibility of a new handle (which would make a lot of sense for the Pyxis) and this could possibly have the hub built into it as well.


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One wonders how the Lexar hub would work in this situation.

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/search?N ... yes&sts=ps

This would be awesome!

I would get the Pyxis monitor just for the camera control, even if it didn’t show the image.

Pyxis monitor has been officially announced!

ShaheedMalik wrote:Pyxis monitor has been officially announced!

Super excited for this. I watched the livestream and I noticed he was using the usb port to power on the monitor. My question is, with only 1 usb port how will we be able to use our ssd? I’m sure they thought of this but he didn’t spend much time on the micro g2 during the livestream

Now we need a usb-c hub that works so we can record to an SSD at the same time.

TitusKing wrote:Now we need a usb-c hub that works so we can record to an SSD at the same time.

I’m working on that


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I really hope Blackmagic comes up with a super compact USB-C hub tailored for the Micro G2 and Pyxis monitor, so that we can attach an ssd while using the monitor.
I'm not sure if the Micro G2 could power all of that through the usbc port.

Anyway, current usb hubs in the market are too big and have too many ports, they don't make sense to be used with the Micro G2, that 's why I'm hoping for a Blackmagic product for the specific case

amazing news. Did someone manage to get a hub for

- ethernet for REST API control.
- monitor
- SSD

at the same time?

Does the monitor of the Micro G2 implement UVC like a webcam or display port?

many thanks for any details.

stereo3d wrote:amazing news. Did someone manage to get a hub for

- ethernet for REST API control.
- monitor
- SSD


at the same time?

Does the monitor of the Micro G2 implement UVC like a webcam or display port?

many thanks for any details.

There are hubs that work but they are clunky.

willvontagen wrote:

TitusKing wrote:Now we need a usb-c hub that works so we can record to an SSD at the same time.

I’m working on that


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Need one that's 2 in 1 or 3 in 1 with Ethernet.

ShaheedMalik wrote:

stereo3d wrote:amazing news. Did someone manage to get a hub for

- ethernet for REST API control.
- monitor
- SSD


at the same time?

Does the monitor of the Micro G2 implement UVC like a webcam or display port?

many thanks for any details.

There are hubs that work but they are clunky.

Blackmagic should make one

Yes, a USB-C hub works; SmallRig's 4-in-1 USB-C Hub is one of the smallest I could find.
https://www.smallrig.com/USB-C-Hub-4-in ... -4598.html

Now the Pyxis monitor can control the Micro G2, hopefully they'll also update firmware for the Video Assist line to do the same.

Lastly, fingers crossed they release a Micro G2 firmware to let us record in formats other than BRAW.

I don’t get the Pyxis monitor fetish with this cam, it’s not a good pairing. A Video Assist has it’s own power supply and media. Further the micro already allows control over virtually every port. Why should Pyxis monitor support be preferred over a Video Assist?

Good Luck

Howard Roll wrote:I don’t get the Pyxis monitor fetish with this cam, it’s not a good pairing. A Video Assist has it’s own power supply and media. Further the micro already allows control over virtually every port. Why should Pyxis monitor support be preferred over a Video Assist?

Good Luck

You can't control the camera with the Video Assist. This you can.

avezeau wrote:Now the Pyxis monitor can control the Micro G2, hopefully they'll also update firmware for the Video Assist line to do the same.

Lastly, fingers crossed they release a Micro G2 firmware to let us record in formats other than BRAW.

I'm not familiar with the Pyxis monitor, will it allow to playback and review the footage on the Micro G2?

Would the Lexar Professional Go Portable Hub be a good fit?

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/ ... wVEALw_wcB

I think it depends what your need for a hub connection to the camera is used for. This is not a hub but have a few of this that I use for external SSDs (not NVMe) and it works pretty well even with ProRes 422HD recording at 4K.

https://oyendigital.com/lync-ssd-to-usb ... hiI-rC3AE8

Ellory Yu wrote:I think it depends what your need for a hub connection to the camera is used for. This is not a hub but have a few of this that I use for external SSDs (not NVMe) and it works pretty well even with ProRes 422HD recording at 4K.

https://oyendigital.com/lync-ssd-to-usb ... hiI-rC3AE8

Not sure how this solves the hub problem. We need the hub to connect the Pyxis Monitor and the SSD at the same time.

willvontagen wrote:

TitusKing wrote:Now we need a usb-c hub that works so we can record to an SSD at the same time.

I’m working on that


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if you could come up with a simple converter box that does USB-C (DP protocol) to HDMI, that would be amazing. I think with the Pyxis 12k they are going to be selling like hotcakes and the need for an extra video out, using the viewfinder USB-C port, will give people the flexibility on set they need. The Pyxis monitor is OK, as soon as they update the color/contrast issues, but I prefer to use a 7" monitor and right now I'm outputting an HDMI TX/RX using an adapter cable for the Viewfinder out.

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willvontagen wrote:

TitusKing wrote:Now we need a usb-c hub that works so we can record to an SSD at the same time.

I’m working on that


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if you could come up with a simple converter box that does USB-C (DP protocol) to HDMI, that would be amazing. I think with the Pyxis 12k they are going to be selling like hotcakes and the need for an extra video out, using the viewfinder USB-C port, will give people the flexibility on set they need. The Pyxis monitor is OK, as soon as they update the color/contrast issues, but I prefer to use a 7" monitor and right now I'm outputting an HDMI TX/RX using an adapter cable for the Viewfinder out.

USB-C to HDMI converter boxes exist already on the market.

This hub might work.

https://kondorblue.com/products/usb-c-h ... 6445120560

This one has Power Delivery. It looks compact.

https://www.amazon.com/Satechi-Adapter- ... B0DHBFDFWC

ShaheedMalik wrote:This one has Power Delivery. It looks compact.

https://www.amazon.com/Satechi-Adapter- ... B0DHBFDFWC

I reached out to Kondor Blue about the idea. For me these computer-style adapters don't 'meld' well with cine gear. Having a small, passive converter box that's mountable via 1/4 or 3/8 would be awesome. And I really do think that the popularity of the Pyxis 12k will constitute the Viewfinder port being more flexible for secondary monitoring... unless they release a 7" Pyxis Monitor.

Adam Langdon wrote:

ShaheedMalik wrote:This one has Power Delivery. It looks compact.

https://www.amazon.com/Satechi-Adapter- ... B0DHBFDFWC

I reached out to Kondor Blue about the idea. For me these computer-style adapters don't 'meld' well with cine gear. Having a small, passive converter box that's mountable via 1/4 or 3/8 would be awesome. And I really do think that the popularity of the Pyxis 12k will constitute the Viewfinder port being more flexible for secondary monitoring... unless they release a 7" Pyxis Monitor.[/quote]
I agree. I think looking for Hubs for IPhone USB-C yeld better options as well.

This hub looks small and it has Display Alt Support. It may work.

https://www.amazon.com/RAYNEO-Glasses-C ... B0DZD8N349

An idea one for my needs would be a Ethernet and USBc to USBC.
Think I'll grab one of the smaller cheap one on Amazon, though they have more ports than needed, I'll see what I can do about deceasing it and see if I can eliminate anything, probably not as it all in one PCB board. Either that or buy a 2 USBC to USBC and then add a Ethernet to USBC adaptor(I actually already have one and am using with an Arduino to control the camera)

ugpfpv wrote:An idea one for my needs would be a Ethernet and USBc to USBC.
Think I'll grab one of the smaller cheap one on Amazon, though they have more ports than needed, I'll see what I can do about deceasing it and see if I can eliminate anything, probably not as it all in one PCB board. Either that or buy a 2 USBC to USBC and then add a Ethernet to USBC adaptor(I actually already have one and am using with an Arduino to control the camera)

A small one with Display Alt, Ethernet, and Data would be great.

ShaheedMalik wrote:

Howard Roll wrote:I don’t get the Pyxis monitor fetish with this cam, it’s not a good pairing. A Video Assist has it’s own power supply and media. Further the micro already allows control over virtually every port. Why should Pyxis monitor support be preferred over a Video Assist?

Good Luck

You can't control the camera with the Video Assist. This you can.

I know it was announced, but does it work now?

sworcester wrote:

ShaheedMalik wrote:

Howard Roll wrote:I don’t get the Pyxis monitor fetish with this cam, it’s not a good pairing. A Video Assist has it’s own power supply and media. Further the micro already allows control over virtually every port. Why should Pyxis monitor support be preferred over a Video Assist?

Good Luck

You can't control the camera with the Video Assist. This you can.

I know it was announced, but does it work now?

No. You need to update to Firmware 9.7 when it is released in a couple of weeks.

Here is another possible USB-C adapter with a display alt.



https://www.viture.com/product/usb-c-to ... olor=Black

willvontagen wrote:

TitusKing wrote:Now we need a usb-c hub that works so we can record to an SSD at the same time.

I’m working on that


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.. 2 USB-C and 1 ethernet port.
Are you going to build that by yourself?

Niklas Olofsson wrote:

willvontagen wrote:

TitusKing wrote:Now we need a usb-c hub that works so we can record to an SSD at the same time.

I’m working on that


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.. 2 USB-C and 1 ethernet port.
Are you going to build that by yourself?

He runs XLCS. He built the cages for the Micro Camera, Pocket Camera, and the Pyxis.

https://www.xlcsdesigns.com/