Price Hikes?

The tariff is based on the country of origin.

JB

Ricardo here actually seems to believe the BS the POTUS is spewing, bless his soul. Hope you weren't planning to retire soon.

The tariff is based on the country of origin.

JB

AKA, where it was assembled. The components themselves are sourced from all over. Another reason why these tariffs are so idiotic, as mere assembly is not actually very valuable to a product's making. The underlying chips and the technology is.

Chances are, a product with any kind of complex electronics will have chips fabricated in Taiwan or Korea, and that isn't going to change in the next ten years, tariffs or not

I'm perplexed by this price increase.
I have no interest in the political side of things, purely the numbers.

This isn't the first time I read a comment like this, and it's usually from someone based in the US. Perplexed by the price increase, but uninterested in the cause. Everything is politics, whether your privilege allows you to realize it or not.

Trump's tariffs vary by country. China 34% (effectively now 54%), Japan 24%, Vietnam 46%, Taiwan 32%, and so on. BMD either manufactures or assembles some of its cameras in some of these countries, or some of its parts come from these countries. It's not just about where BMD is based.

So, yeah, there is no math without the politics.

Whoa. What's with the attitude? You are obviously very upset about these tariffs and letting your feelings get in the way of a dialogue between nerds who like cameras. I don't want to pay any more for a camera either, my friend. I also don't really fancy being in a trade war or going into a recession.

My comment about politics was only to say I don't care to discuss whether tariffs are good or bad, simply what the number is based on. This isn't a poly-sci or economics forum, it's for guys who think the triangle of exposure is pretty neat. My wish is that you spend your energy on more positive vibes in this chat.

The tariff is based on the country of origin.

JB

This answer is interesting. And I appreciate the lack of personal attack.
Are we saying that because the product or parts of the product are manufactured for Blackmagic outside of Australia that it's taxed as say, a Chinese good, even though it's owned and sold by an Australian company? If so, that's a surprise to me. US products often have parts that originate in other countries or are "assembled" in other countries, yet as I understand it are still US goods if the export of the product is from the US? Do other countries who have tariffs on US products also base it on the sum of parts and not the end product?
I'm genuinely asking, not challenging the assertion.

Ricardo here actually seems to believe the BS the POTUS is spewing, bless his soul. Hope you weren't planning to retire soon.

The tariff is based on the country of origin.

JB

AKA, where it was assembled. The components themselves are sourced from all over. Another reason why these tariffs are so idiotic, as mere assembly is not actually very valuable to a product's making. The underlying chips and the technology is.

Chances are, a product with any kind of complex electronics will have chips fabricated in Taiwan or Korea, and that isn't going to change in the next ten years, tariffs or not

I have not seen any definitive information myself that says that tariff rates are calculated for each of it's parts country of origin. That would be impossible to calculate, let alone verify. Where are you seeing this, and even if that is the case, my original question remains - how did BM come up with 32% which does not align with China OR Australia's tariff. Is the issue more of a drop shipping thing? Like, is it because shipments from BM go straight out from China? In which case would a "final assembly" step in Australia and exporting from there then change the tariff rate?

Best,
-Daniel

Us companies have migrated to other countries, and he is trying to bring them back. It's so easy to understand.

Obviously, you don't understand what tariffs are or how business works.

The industries that the US lost to other countries were a direct result of tariffs in the first place; imposing more tariffs, especially ones that violate free trade agreements where there no tariffs in either direction, just reduce business and therefore revenue.

The way to bring industries back is to invest in them. Tariffs don't do that.

My understanding is that Australia will currently be paying a 10% tariff.
However, the increase from $4,995 to $6,595 is actually a price increase of about 32%.

No. Australia doesn't pay the tariffs. How exactly do you think that the US can force Australia to charge a tax on its behalf?

The answer is that it can't. That's utterly nonsensical.

Tariffs are import taxes. They're paid by the people who buy them. In that case, this means people in the US. They're the ones who are absorbing the cost, which means that they'll buy fewer cameras from Black Magic, as well as fewer goodies from Atomos.

I'm curious how Blackmagic has decided on this number, and if there is actual math behind it I'm missing, or if it's more of a political statement? If the latter, I'd be genuinely shocked, because I have touted blackmagic as one of the most consumer empowering companies I've ever seen. So this is really odd.

Blackmagic didn't decide on that number. It's being forced upon BMD, but it's not BMD who's charging the import tax. It's the US federal government shooting itself and its economy in the foot.

But on the bright side, that means more film business for the rest of the world.

Trump bankrupted casinos. Let that sink in.


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I don't want or think this thread should be going into politics, so I will keep this just to comment on the "retail" price hike in the USA...

I was waiting for the NAB announcements to see if there is anything that might prompt Blackmagic to lower the price of the Pocket 6k Pro. With the Pyxis 12k announcement, I was pretty sure that wasn't going to happen, so I ordered my son's high school graduation gift, a Pocket 6k Pro, and a set of Meike Super35 Prime Cine lenses right after the NAB announcements ended. I am so super happy I did. While B&H has not increased their prices yet, I'm sure when they order new stock going forward, they will. And before someone says why am I buying a high school graduate a set like this? He is coming from an arts high school's digital film program and going to film school for university. So sometimes you need to buy the "carrot" you used with your kid because it worked.

One other observation is the % price increase per model. I guess it's based on where they are made. With the increase, the Pocket 6k Pro and the 6k Full Frame will cost more than a Pyxis 6k base L or EF mount. I find this interesting and would love to see the net effect on sales of the formerly cheaper models since the Pocket 6k and the 6k Full Frame are out-of-the-box usable and the Pyxis needs a whole lot of extras to be usable out of the box (unless you are doing the turn a bare-bones Pyxis camera on the side and shoot in OpenGate trick). I guess if Blackmagic markets the pocket and 6K FF line as a complete OOTB and just-go-shoot package, then they can mitigate any confusion.

I have not seen any definitive information myself that says that tariff rates are calculated for each of it's parts country of origin. That would be impossible to calculate, let alone verify. Where are you seeing this, and even if that is the case, my original question remains - how did BM come up with 32% which does not align with China OR Australia's tariff. Is the issue more of a drop shipping thing? Like, is it because shipments from BM go straight out from China? In which case would a "final assembly" step in Australia and exporting from there then change the tariff rate?

Last "substantial transformation" determines the country of origin. When an item is determined to have undergone a substantial transformation, the country where that substantial transformation occurred becomes the country of origin.

It's a reciprocal tariff. It's a response to the tariff that comes its way.

No it’s not.

There’s a free trade agreement between Australia and the US. Except now there’s a 10% tariff on Australian originating goods.

Thats not reciprocal.

And the rate is not reciprocal.

I mean they put a 10% tariff on an uninhabited island. Only penguins. Thats not policy. That’s asking chat GPT to give you a list of every territory that you can put a tariff on.

https://www.thecut.com/article/trump-ta ... -meme.html

JB

Countries need tariffs to make money. Australia should reciprocate by imposing tariffs. 10% is really nothing at all.

No. Tariffs arent a tool for economic growth. They’re used for national security to protect a certain industry. Blanket 10% tariffs across every country on Earth is unfathomably stupid. The last 2 times the US tried this sent the economy off the cliff and into a depression. McKinley was even assasinated. 1930 Smoot Hawley was even worse.

The US has benefited greatly from free trade and has moved past low skill manufacturing, to higher skill late stage assembly. It’s why are tech industry is booming. Going back to some nostalgic day of assembling screws and working in the mines is mind boggling.

It’s my understanding that tarries also apply to the supply of parts between countries. So the increased cost of the parts has to be reflected in the eventual final products price.

To illustrate with fictional numbers, let’s say Canada supplied $100 US of the aluminum need to make some accessories in the United States. The US manufacturer adds $200 to the value of making the accessory so the accessory cost of production is $300. Then the manufacture adds their 50% markup (reflecting their risk and R&D) on the accessory that is $150 so the product sells wholesale for $450. Then the final distributor adds their 33% markup of $150 so you pay $600 for the accessory in the US. And everyone is satisfied that business is running smoothly as it has done for the last 75 years that these relationships flourished and kept costs predictable and ‘normal.’ Don’t underestimate the value to the consumer of how the market works in delivering that product to you.

The price of that imported aluminum in the United States is now at least $125 due to 25% tariffs on the import of Canadian aluminum; the actual cost may be driven higher even to produce that aluminum so say it really is going to settle at $150 to bring it into the US. But that initial extra cost is multiplied several times through the product chain affecting the cost of production, increased paperwork, increased risk, increased R&D into alternatives, increased expenses finding new sources, increased markups due to incredibly higher levels of uncertainty. So the consumer price may easily increase $150 dollars due to many complexities hinted at here. So everything done on the US except the aluminum from Canada with a 25% tariff and the final US consumer pays $100 or $150 more. You wait and see.

Right now the US business is trying to soften the blow to the consumer and keeping prices lower but then their profit margin goes down and the company can’t attract investors and the share price tanks. Eventually two outcomes are possible: the company continues to import Canadian aluminum with the new tariff but must raise the price $150 or an US smelter makes more aluminum at a new cost factor.

Well I’ve got news for you. There’s very good and economical reasons for Canada being able to supply the required aluminum for only $100 and the US company being able to manage that economical price.

I can guarantee the US company that Trump foresees increasing their aluminum production has a host of new costs (much higher electricity costs) and means of production (new smelters) to consider so the aluminum is going to cost at least $150 US which is more than they would pay to just pay for the tariff and import the aluminum for $125. But gone are the days of the US consumer buying the final product for $600 when it might end up costing $800 just because of a measly $25 surcharge as of April 5.

Okay you say it’s ’worth it’ but think about it. As costs for the US consumer rise at least 25%, eventually (by next year) the consumers may not be able to afford all the accessories they need or all the groceries or all the automobiles (at an average cost perhaps of $60,000 versus yesterday’s average cost of $48,000). Will the average US citizen see a 25% wage increase in a year to support their 25% inflated costs on everything they need?

It’s not just about aluminum, it’s about “everything everywhere all at once.” There seems to be only one large savior unaffected by these tariffs. Yep, Russia if the sanctions are removed and Ukraine is absorbed this year.

Ricardo here actually seems to believe the BS the POTUS is spewing, bless his soul. Hope you weren't planning to retire soon.

The tariff is based on the country of origin.

JB

AKA, where it was assembled. The components themselves are sourced from all over. Another reason why these tariffs are so idiotic, as mere assembly is not actually very valuable to a product's making. The underlying chips and the technology is.

Chances are, a product with any kind of complex electronics will have chips fabricated in Taiwan or Korea, and that isn't going to change in the next ten years, tariffs or not

You seem to be influenced by the MSM. I did not vote for him, and I do not live in the USA. In fact I don't like him to much but I don't let my feelings get in the way. If you read history, you would know that tariffs was the way to go for every country. This as stated, will be temporary. Hopefully everyone will come to their senses and find a, equitable way.

Us companies have migrated to other countries, and he is trying to bring them back. It's so easy to understand.

Nobody knows if that's his real object -- as opposed to projecting power and inflicting suffering, which he loves to do. We know this because he ran an entire campaign on the joy of causing other people pain. And if he's so eager to get manufacturing back to the U.S. why is he anti-labor and anti-union? He wants the plants back, but only to pay Chinese or Vietnamese wages? Recall that in his first term he even tried to get rid of overtime pay.... And look at what he's doing to tens of thousands of workers now, with no forethought or rational basis, for the joy of saying "you're fired"! This is the working man's friend?

And the way "his" tariffs are implemented, as has already been pointed out, makes no sense. Consider Canada. The so-called "trade imbalance" is thanks to the oil the U.S. imports from Canada. So why did Trump promote exactly that, oil imports from Canada -- remember Keystone pipeline? -- during his first term? Does he want the oil or doesn't he?

And what about other countries which are just too poor to match their exports with American imports and services or have no need of them? It all has to equal, or someone is "getting ripped off" -- even a country as rich as the U.S. trading with much poorer ones? Now, countries can't make rational choices about what they buy and sell, because Trump says "it's so unfair" -- to him -- if the dollar amounts aren't equal between all players? They have to impoverish themselves on his behalf? Note that Trump has applied very high tariffs on very poor countries.

Where has such a system ever worked -- beyond making everyone poorer?

Thank you Aaron and Alan and John for your insights. It’s clear to me that there’s more wisdom in this forum (and many other forums) than in the White House. But we lack gravitas because we’re not multi-billionaires. We are just common folk pursuing our dreams and wanting to contribute to the joy and beauty of life through the arts and science of cinematography.

This answer is interesting. And I appreciate the lack of personal attack.
Are we saying that because the product or parts of the product are manufactured for Blackmagic outside of Australia that it's taxed as say, a Chinese good, even though it's owned and sold by an Australian company? If so, that's a surprise to me. US products often have parts that originate in other countries or are "assembled" in other countries, yet as I understand it are still US goods if the export of the product is from the US? Do other countries who have tariffs on US products also base it on the sum of parts and not the end product?
I'm genuinely asking, not challenging the assertion.

Blackmagic is an Australian company that operates manufacturing plants in several countries.

The price rise across their products wasn’t the same flat amount. They rose only for American buyers depending on where the individual product originated from.

This is a tax collected by the US government to artificially make imported goods more expensive for its citizens.

JB

It seems like the price hike may have come down slightly?

Yesterday, Pyxis 12K was listed for me at $6595, now says $5,495

I emailed B&H and asked them about my preorder from last Friday (at $4995) and the service rep said that they’ll honor the original price despite any price increases.

And today BH shows Pyxis 12K at $4995 ... the Ursa Cine 12K is at $7695 and the Ursa 17K back to $21995 ...
go figure

...
go figure

Perhaps they’re showing the price that reflects the money that flows to BMD, but the tariff may be an additional line item that must be paid upon delivery like a duty. Just guessing.

The BMD website shows $5,495 now. Please clarify BMD!

In the US BH collects sales tax on a state by state basis and then submits it to the state on behalf
of the customer .... they may have had enough cancellations and questions that they decided to
eat the difference for the interim.

...
go figure

Perhaps they’re showing the price that reflects the money that flows to BMD, but the tariff may be an additional line item that must be paid upon delivery like a duty. Just guessing.

The BMD website shows $5,495 now. Please clarify BMD!

It's showing $4995 for me now.

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/ ... amera.html

Countries need tariffs to make money. Australia should reciprocate by imposing tariffs. 10% is really nothing at all.

You don't make money by having tariffs, they are just a tax that hit those with the least wealth the hardest. That's all it is. Here's the best-case scenario:

Us companies have migrated to other countries, and he is trying to bring them back. It's so easy to understand.

What should also be easy to understand is that this isn't just about "companies", it is about production. Rather than just bringing back "companies" what you're really talking about is businesses AND production.

So take any item that the US imports a lot of and then consider how long it will take to a) convince a business, any business, to start production of those goods in the US, b) create a business plan for such establishment or migration, c) funding that, d) actually executing it.

Suppose we're talking about cameras. How long does it take to build factories for the components needed and staffing them and then starting to sell domestically?

Take that time and imagine what the tax (tariffs) does to the economy before that product is on the market, and consider all industries this applies to.

If the US cared about keeping production in the US it probably should have been decided before NAFTA was enacted.

Edit: Add the fact that you either then want low-cost labor to build things or educated personnel, and if you don't have enough educated personnel already you'll need to import people, and you know how the current admin feels about that, which then leaves you with educating people domestically, which takes years...

[Kristian Lam]

The BMD website shows $5,495 now. Please clarify BMD!

Hi,

We have moved production of the PYXIS cameras to reduce the impact of the tariffs.

Thank you for that clarification, Kristian.

I have not seen any definitive information myself that says that tariff rates are calculated for each of it's parts country of origin. That would be impossible to calculate, let alone verify. Where are you seeing this, and even if that is the case, my original question remains - how did BM come up with 32% which does not align with China OR Australia's tariff. Is the issue more of a drop shipping thing? Like, is it because shipments from BM go straight out from China? In which case would a "final assembly" step in Australia and exporting from there then change the tariff rate?

Daniel, Puget Systems has put up a detailed explanation how and why tariffs will effect them:
https://www.pugetsystems.com/blog/2025/ ... t-systems/

• What Exactly Are Tariffs?
• Direct and Indirect Impacts
• Our Strategy at Puget Systems
• Special Challenges During Product Launches
• Component-Specific Overview
• Future Changes

I'd like to add that US companies like Google, Meta, and others having been a major issue for the ad industry all over the world. They are vacuuming in all the advertising budgets of companies like crazy - causing problems for TV networks and media houses all over the world through massively shrinking advertising budgets. But those US companies do not pay local taxes, do not create local jobs, do not care about local laws - they add nothing to the local economy. This is the reality outside the US.

Some historical numerical context:
"According to an analysis by Peterson Institute for International Economics published in June 2019, China had lowered tariffs on imports from countries other than the U.S. from an average of 8.0% to 6.7%, while average tariffs on U.S. imports rose from 8.0% to 20.7%." Source - Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China%E2%80%93United_States_trade_war#:~:text=According%20to%20an%20analysis%20by,from%208.0%25%20to%2020.7%25.

Hopefully this forum will remain a great resource for knowledge and expertise in video related subjects from the many deeply experienced contributors in this field.

Politics and world economics would not be a good path for this community forum IMHO.

Some historical numerical context:
"According to an analysis by Peterson Institute for International Economics published in June 2019, China had lowered tariffs on imports from countries other than the U.S. from an average of 8.0% to 6.7%, while average tariffs on U.S. imports rose from 8.0% to 20.7%."

The US has charged tariffs on Chinese goods in or above that range for many years. This had depended on the harmonic tariff schedule for the specific goods.

What has changed is the US imposed 20% tariff which came in Trump's first term and the new recip tariff of 34% which brought the total to 54%.

The BMD website shows $5,495 now. Please clarify BMD!

Hi,

We have moved production of the PYXIS cameras to reduce the impact of the tariffs.

Switching production from one country to another takes a long time.

I guess there is no way of proving were production takes place, as long as the final distribution point before it reaches America that count as the product of origin. Instead of leaving port at Indonesia destined for America the cameras are now shipped to Australia first before it goes to America.

BMCC6K has gone up to $3429 while the Pyxis 6k is $3295. So the PDAF addition made the BMCC6K that much more expensive now

Countries need tariffs to make money. Australia should reciprocate by imposing tariffs. 10% is really nothing at all.

You don't make money by having tariffs, they are just a tax that hit those with the least wealth the hardest. That's all it is. Here's the best-case scenario:

Us companies have migrated to other countries, and he is trying to bring them back. It's so easy to understand.

What should also be easy to understand is that this isn't just about "companies", it is about production. Rather than just bringing back "companies" what you're really talking about is businesses AND production.

So take any item that the US imports a lot of and then consider how long it will take to a) convince a business, any business, to start production of those goods in the US, b) create a business plan for such establishment or migration, c) funding that, d) actually executing it.

Suppose we're talking about cameras. How long does it take to build factories for the components needed and staffing them and then starting to sell domestically?

Take that time and imagine what the tax (tariffs) does to the economy before that product is on the market, and consider all industries this applies to.

If the US cared about keeping production in the US it probably should have been decided before NAFTA was enacted.

Edit: Add the fact that you either then want low-cost labor to build things or educated personnel, and if you don't have enough educated personnel already you'll need to import people, and you know how the current admin feels about that, which then leaves you with educating people domestically, which takes years...

This was way before NAFTA. When Nixon helped open China, many companies went there for lower costs. Wall street saw this and saw how it could help increase the bottom line and the rest is history.

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China tariffs have been higher than US tariffs for quite some time until this recent start of the tariff wars.

And at this point, I will follow my own plea to not continue political and economic discussions on these wonderful forums as it clearly is not the realm of the expertise in this venue.

China tariffs have been higher than US tariffs for quite some time until this recent start of the tariff wars.

And at this point, I will follow my own plea to not continue political and economic discussions on these wonderful forums as it clearly is not the realm of the expertise in this venue.

Well, in that case, I'll also ignore your plea this once -- you can't very well make your play and then announce the game is over. To use a common example of why charges of "unfair" trade are frequently unfair, I have a trade deficit with my barber. He doesn't buy a damn thing from me! He's ripping me off! In a word, the object of world trade is not to balance the accounts among all countries -- or to claim that because they're not balanced, it's due solely to unfair competition. There are many other factors which determine who buys what.... But Trump assumes from the outset it's just a numbers game. Fix the numbers, and done! No keeping the peace, no geopolitics, no competitive advantage, no desperately poor countries we would do well not to impoverish further, no who needs what, etc. Just numbers, as if the purpose of trade is to balance the books rather than, well, "trade".

And it's a bit rich for the U.S. to blame China at this late date. If the U.S. didn't want to offshore its manufacturing facilities, it shouldn't have encouraged that move with tax incentives and corporate-written "free trade" agreements.

[Kristian Lam]

Switching production from one country to another takes a long time.

Not for us it doesn’t

I guess there is no way of proving were production takes place, as long as the final distribution point before it reaches America that count as the product of origin.

It’s on the compliance labels of the products.

Thanks so much Kristian for engaging here a bit in service of heading off endless discussions of things for which we have no information. A post or two from you is gold!

I also appreciate the updates here from Blackmagic, and that you are switching production to keep US prices as reasonable as possible. I'm sorry our government is run by morons. Looking forward to getting my Pyxis 12K.

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China tariffs have been higher than US tariffs for quite some time until this recent start of the tariff wars.

And at this point, I will follow my own plea to not continue political and economic discussions on these wonderful forums as it clearly is not the realm of the expertise in this venue.

This chart shows trade weighted averages, meaning that the goods mix and resulting totals are backwards facing and aim to be based on the actual mix of products that were traded. This varies over time as other trade relationships in various sectors have become more or less strategically beneficial by type and the mix changes. In reality these have been quite close to each other with escalations being matched.

The trade imbalance has been very uneven, but the drivers there are very different.

Switching production from one country to another takes a long time.

Not for us it doesn’t

I guess there is no way of proving were production takes place, as long as the final distribution point before it reaches America that count as the product of origin.

It’s on the compliance labels of the products.

Its just a label, that can peel off and another one applied.

A lots of the work can be done in Indonesia and the final bit of assembly done in Australia and the latter count as the product origin. Am I correct BMD is not exactly closing its factory in Indonesia but in fact it is still actively producing cameras?

Actually, Trump has been obsessed with tariffs for 40 years..... In his crude transactional mind he's convinced other countries are "ripping us off", despite the fact that "we" (i.e., corporate America) wrote the trade agreements to our own advantage. And he's oblivious to trivial interests like stability, the needs of developing markets and not impoverishing other countries for the fun of it, because they insulted your comb-over. Or because they won't agree to become the 51st state, to be ruled by Trump forever more.

How long it will last is the interesting question. The billionaires who supported his election are having second thoughts.... The markets lost trillions on Friday and are up for another trillion tomorrow, based on the futures markets. They won't put up with it much longer.

Us companies have migrated to other countries, and he is trying to bring them back. It's so easy to understand.

Bottom line, Americans will lose because we have been dependent and spoiled on cheaper goods. Your Addidas sneakers, made in China selling for $100 in the US, when manufactured in the USA, will be $300 a pair. Why you ask? Companies will need to recoup the cost of moving manufacturing to the USA and labor cost is $15/hr minimum wage versus $0.20/hr in China. Just think about that. Unless Americans want their minimum wage to be $0.20/hr too. Sorry, I digress with my sneaker example.

It’s my understanding that tarries also apply to the supply of parts between countries. So the increased cost of the parts has to be reflected in the eventual final products price.

Rick’s understanding is exactly on point. I won’t repeat his illustrative statements but the sum of cost increases in the supply chain that is to make the BlackMagic camera at its country of origin makes the cost go from $4.9K to $6.5K or so. Hence it’s not just a direct 10% more of the original price. That’s too easy.

Actually, Trump has been obsessed with tariffs for 40 years..... In his crude transactional mind he's convinced other countries are "ripping us off", despite the fact that "we" (i.e., corporate America) wrote the trade agreements to our own advantage. And he's oblivious to trivial interests like stability, the needs of developing markets and not impoverishing other countries for the fun of it, because they insulted your comb-over. Or because they won't agree to become the 51st state, to be ruled by Trump forever more.

How long it will last is the interesting question. The billionaires who supported his election are having second thoughts.... The markets lost trillions on Friday and are up for another trillion tomorrow, based on the futures markets. They won't put up with it much longer.

Us companies have migrated to other countries, and he is trying to bring them back. It's so easy to understand.

This is the most moronic aspect of the orange blob and those who believe that it’s that easy. Bottom line, Americans will lose because we have been dependent and spoiled on cheaper goods. Your Addidas sneakers, made in China selling for $100 in the US, when manufactured in the USA, will be $300 a pair. Why you ask? Companies will need to recoup the cost of moving manufacturing to the USA and labor cost is $15/hr minimum wage versus $0.20/hr in China. Just think about that. Unless Americans want their minimum wage to be $0.20/hr too. I don’t think that will ever happen. So, right now we just have to hang tight with a moron president and the asylum run by crazies.

Sorry, I digress with my sneaker example. I was just responding on the stupidity idea this moron has about the same”bring the back” idea. It’s just one of his moronic ideas but it is what it is for now… and I hope things will get much better… traffic and all.

Not only this, but consumers won't buy the $300/pair shoes, demand will decrease, and those workers will be laid off or replaced by robots. All the while, companies will prioritize manufacturing in and selling to other markets. It's an unbelievably shortsighted idea that will cripple the US economy, and depressing to think that so many of T**** followers blindly go along with it.

[Kristian Lam]

Hey guys,

Let’s leave the discussion of politics and economic policies elsewhere or I’ll have to lock this up. Happy to answer questions about our products.

Thanks

Hey guys,

Let’s leave the discussion of politics and economic policies elsewhere or I’ll have to lock this up. Happy to answer questions about our products.

Thanks

Alright Kristian. So happy that BMD is doing what it can to control the price hikes. At least someone is trying to work around the inflicted pain to help their customers. Much appreciated!

…And at this point, I will follow my own plea to not continue political and economic discussions on these wonderful forums as it clearly is not the realm of the expertise in this venue.

John Richard, we appreciate your presence here and none of us really want to get into discussions that might reflect on geopolitics and macro economics, after all we’re not Reddit! But it’s understandable we’re sharing our limited knowledge when our pocketbooks may be impacted and that can affect the success of BMD which imperils our ability to benefit from this amazing company. I’d do anything to be helpful to BMD.

I’m not on the Apple forums bemoaning the huge tariffs on China and India (and incredibly Taiwan) even if I buy their high-end computers, phones, tablets, and so on. I’ve always felt they should do better to their host country.

I’m not on any geopolitical forums, but I fret about the precarious balance of law and order in the world. Rather than buy or annex Canada and Greenland (a NATO partner!), the US should buy or annex Taiwan frankly because after Ukraine falls to Russia this year, China will be taking Taiwan within a year without any country rushing to their forceful defense. And that ultimately is Nikon’s fault in 1972 when opening up trade with China forced him to agree that Taiwan was not a sovereign country but another part of China whose self-government was tolerated but not respected by China.

As I say, I’m not spreading my limited knowledge and ill-informed opinions anywhere else because it’s not my expertise. You likely realize that expertise is no substitute for experience with the former easily leading one astray by the direction the wind blows. Experience can be as useful since your thoughts are tempered by everything that has gone before, in your own life, and looking for truth, and maintaining your principles and integrity.

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Composing this long note while Kristian requests we end the political discussion. I’m fine with this being my last post.

We all hope that Grant with his compassion to his customers continues to strive on working ways that can keep the tools we depend on as affordable as possible - affordability being the ability to circumvent the crazy tariffs so we can afford these new tools. Alternatively, we just have to live with the old cameras and switchers, and what equipments we have to be able to do what we do. Good luck to everyone.

The BMD website shows $5,495 now. Please clarify BMD!

Hi,

We have moved production of the PYXIS cameras to reduce the impact of the tariffs.

Now I find this incredibly fascinating, as an electrical engineer myself. I knew BMD was a compact operation, with a lot more being done in-house than the bigger guys, but I could never have imagined being able to just move production elsewhere on short notice like this.

[Kristian Lam]

We have moved production of the PYXIS cameras to reduce the impact of the tariffs.

Now I find this incredibly fascinating, as an electrical engineer myself. I knew BMD was a compact operation, with a lot more being done in-house than the bigger guys, but I could never have imagined being able to just move production elsewhere on short notice like this.

It's almost like............blackmagic.

You seem to be influenced by the MSM. I did not vote for him, and I do not live in the USA. In fact I don't like him to much but I don't let my feelings get in the way. If you read history, you would know that tariffs was the way to go for every country. This as stated, will be temporary. Hopefully everyone will come to their senses and find a, equitable way.

Tariffs have NEVER been the way to grow trade and economy, not for any nation in history, ever.

They have only ever been successful in protecting domestic industries from foreign competition in the same industry, but they are only destructive when there is no competitive domestic industry.

The US manufacturing industry has been so heavily outsourced that it's largely a consumer nation; even its top semico has had to outsource its manufacturing to Taiwan.

The free trade agreements that these tariffs are violating are doing a lot more damage than just raising costs, which has already lead to a lot of jobs lost in affected countries. Violating those agreements has put an end to some very long term relationships with other nations that will not be easily repaired, if ever.

The rest of the world will recover, but the US will not.

It seems like the price hike may have come down slightly?

Yesterday, Pyxis 12K was listed for me at $6595, now says $5,495

Black Magic's manufacturing prowess is severely underrated.

Very few companies can manufacture stuff at BMD's scale without turning it to crap in the process. So BMD was able to lower the tariff impact for its US customers by moving its production to a country with a lower tariff.

Not many companies will be able to do that. It's part of the magic that enables the sheer insanity of a 12K camera with a unique custom sensor design for only $5K in the first place. Rental oriented business is not the only reason that an Alexa 265 costs an estimated $250K per unit. Very small manufacturing scale is another major factor. Arri is mostly a rental company, and sells a lot more lighting fixtures than it sells (or makes) cameras.

We have moved production of the PYXIS cameras to reduce the impact of the tariffs.

Now I find this incredibly fascinating, as an electrical engineer myself. I knew BMD was a compact operation, with a lot more being done in-house than the bigger guys, but I could never have imagined being able to just move production elsewhere on short notice like this.

It's almost like............blackmagic.

But with very clever people

The BMD website shows $5,495 now. Please clarify BMD!

Hi,

We have moved production of the PYXIS cameras to reduce the impact of the tariffs.

Switching production from one country to another takes a long time.

For Black Magic, apparently two days is a long time