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Downtown J-Town
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Sun Nov 11, 2012 7:14 amby Michael Beck
I decided to shoot some more anamorphic tests with my BlackMagic Cinema Camera in my home town.
I uploaded in full resolution so be sure to click on the highest option.
I graded in Resolve. I am getting the hang of how to get around in it. I even tracked some masks in there.
I will upload some DNGs soon.
Re: Downtown J-Town
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Sun Nov 11, 2012 7:31 amby Joerg Plechinger
What lens did you use?
Re: Downtown J-Town
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Sun Nov 11, 2012 7:52 amby Edgar Matos (Rocket)
Wait... Your trees still have leafs! impressive, sir.
Do you think you can get rid of the noise? It would be very helpful if someone show a "real situation streets video" handheld and everything, with out using raw footage. Using it as an amateur will probably show the real value of this spell. (show us what is the camera made of)
Re: Downtown J-Town
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Sun Nov 11, 2012 11:32 amby Luca Salvatori
good test!
Why use youtube?
Theres a much noise on the street, try to export at 20mpps CBR to vimeo.
Re: Downtown J-Town
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Sun Nov 11, 2012 2:38 pmby Michael Beck
Joerg Plechinger wrote:What lens did you use?
I used my tamron 17-50mm 2.8 with my runco 1.3 anamorphic adapter lens in front of it.
Re: Downtown J-Town
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Sun Nov 11, 2012 2:38 pmby Michael Beck
Rocket wrote:Wait... Your trees still have leafs! impressive, sir.
Do you think you can get rid of the noise? It would be very helpful if someone show a "real situation streets video" handheld and everything, with out using raw footage. Using it as an amateur will probably show the real value of this spell. (show us what is the camera made of)
I have no idea what that means.
Re: Downtown J-Town
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Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:01 pmby Cuboirs
Wow im sorry but this does NOT look good 1 bit it looks way too noisy.....Does anyone know what he could have done wrong here????? Is it a youtube issue or camera ?
Re: Downtown J-Town
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Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:11 pmby David
Cuboirs is a tool doing whatever he can to turn this place into a hate forum.
Looked good to me.
Re: Downtown J-Town
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Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:12 pmby Michael Beck
Cuboirs wrote:Wow im sorry but this does NOT look good 1 bit .....Does anyone know what he could have done wrong here????? Is it a youtube issue or camera ?
Really? What is wrong with you? I got out, lugged my camera around for two hours, spent an hour grading the footage, editing it, uploading it and posted it here for your benifet, and all you can come up with is saying that it "does not look good 1bit?" how about you put a little effort in expressing your thoughts (assuming you have any), instead of being off handedly insulting. I'm all for constructive criticism, but you have to give it some thought!
/rant
Re: Downtown J-Town
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Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:21 pmby Cuboirs
mbeck wrote:Cuboirs wrote:Wow im sorry but this does NOT look good 1 bit .....Does anyone know what he could have done wrong here????? Is it a youtube issue or camera ?
Really? What is wrong with you? I got out, lugged my camera around for two hours, spent an hour grading the footage, editing it, uploading it and posted it here for your benifet, and all you can come up with is saying that it "does not look good 1bit?" how about you put a little effort in expressing your thoughts (assuming you have any), instead of being off handedly insulting. I'm all for constructive criticism, but you have to give it some thought!
/rant
Dude im not hating and sorry if you got affended but i honestly felt the footage was was too noisy i didnt say it was youre error and thats why i asked if it was a youtube thing or an error??? the shots you chose were good i was only referring to the quality!!!! I am really thankful for you putting it up on here for us to look at..
Re: Downtown J-Town
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Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:21 pmby Cuboirs
David wrote:Cuboirs is a tool doing whatever he can to turn this place into a hate forum.
Looked good to me.
Dude absolutely not my intention at all....
Re: Downtown J-Town
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Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:49 pmby Sam Meyer
Wow the DR is just nuts, the first 5 or 6 shots look just magical. I had just about excepted I wasn't going to be able to shoot my short film in december on this camera but I want it to look that magical so bad.
Re: Downtown J-Town
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Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:57 pmby Michael Beck
Then maybe you should elaborate when you post, rather than making blanket statements
Re: Downtown J-Town
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Sun Nov 11, 2012 5:09 pmby Michael Beck
kitejumper wrote:Wow the DR is just nuts, the first 5 or 6 shots look just magical. I had just about excepted I wasn't going to be able to shoot my short film in december on this camera but I want it to look that magical so bad.
Thanks man.. I really live this camera!
Re: Downtown J-Town
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Sun Nov 11, 2012 5:12 pmby Bill Rich
Really nice! Thanks for posting this! I can't wait to get my BMCC!
Re: Downtown J-Town
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Sun Nov 11, 2012 5:30 pmby taapo
First couple of shots - awesome! Very nice, filmic look - especially with the Greyhound station images (location, location, location
)
Did you line up your adaptor correctly? Looks like the image is slightly skewed. Just checking ...
Also, can you tell me what shots used masks?
Re: Downtown J-Town
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Sun Nov 11, 2012 7:24 pmby melissa lancaster
This looks great. Not sure what "noise" they are talking about. Probably confusing compression or downgrading for noise and watching in 360 instead of 720 on youtube. In 720 it looks beautiful.
thanks for putting out this footage. Its so nice to see clips while we are waiting for our cameras. We appreciate it. Thanks
Re: Downtown J-Town
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Sun Nov 11, 2012 8:19 pmby Joe Gonzalez
What was your workflow?
Re: Downtown J-Town
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Sun Nov 11, 2012 8:20 pmby GripworksCo
Thanks, Michael! The images look fantastic. One thing that I have noticed in several of the BMC clips posted here and elsewhere is what seems to be a slight motion stuttering in panning and tilting. Is this caused by internet compression or just a result of 24p?
Re: Downtown J-Town
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Sun Nov 11, 2012 9:30 pmby Michael Beck
taapo wrote:Did you line up your adaptor correctly? Looks like the image is slightly skewed. Just checking ...
Also, can you tell me what shots used masks?
The adapter my be a little off.. I am not happy with the way I have it mounted at this point.
Off hand the one I can remember is the shot of the Thrive building that pans right from the tree. I punched up the sky with a color range selection, but it was including bits of the building, so I tracked a mask to subtract the building.
Re: Downtown J-Town
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Sun Nov 11, 2012 9:33 pmby Michael Beck
Joe_g wrote:What was your workflow?
For this, I imported all the footage into Resolve, color corrected everything, and then exported ProRes files to premiere for editing.
Normally, I would apply a quick curve, then export everything for edit, then XML back into Resolve for CC. But since I didn't have a lot of footage, I went ahead and CC'd everything up front.
Re: Downtown J-Town
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Sun Nov 11, 2012 9:34 pmby Michael Beck
GripworksCo wrote:Thanks, Michael! The images look fantastic. One thing that I have noticed in several of the BMC clips posted here and elsewhere is what seems to be a slight motion stuttering in panning and tilting. Is this caused by internet compression or just a result of 24p?
Its ether the 24p or just flash stuttering.
Re: Downtown J-Town
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Sun Nov 11, 2012 10:41 pmby Cuboirs
lancastemm wrote:This looks great. Not sure what "noise" they are talking about. Probably confusing compression or downgrading for noise and watching in 360 instead of 720 on youtube. In 720 it looks beautiful.
thanks for putting out this footage. Its so nice to see clips while we are waiting for our cameras. We appreciate it. Thanks
Nope I watched in 1080 and it looks very noisy ,he should maybe try uploading to Vimeo maybe that'll help some....
Re: Downtown J-Town
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Sun Nov 11, 2012 10:55 pmby bhook
Cuboirs wrote:Nope I watched in 1080 and it looks very noisy ,he should maybe try uploading to Vimeo maybe that'll help some....
It's not like he's your personal dancing bear or something. He said he's working on his Youtube channel. It is what it is...I liked the look a bunch.
Re: Downtown J-Town
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Sun Nov 11, 2012 11:13 pmby Michael Beck
mhood wrote:Cuboirs wrote:Nope I watched in 1080 and it looks very noisy ,he should maybe try uploading to Vimeo maybe that'll help some....
It's not like he's your personal dancing bear or something. He said he's working on his Youtube channel. It is what it is...I liked the look a bunch.
Yeah.. you gotta pay to see me dance
anyway, I already said that I will be posting a higher quality version, as well as DNGs.
Re: Downtown J-Town
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Mon Nov 12, 2012 2:42 amby Nick Bedford
mbeck wrote:mhood wrote:Cuboirs wrote:Nope I watched in 1080 and it looks very noisy ,he should maybe try uploading to Vimeo maybe that'll help some....
It's not like he's your personal dancing bear or something. He said he's working on his Youtube channel. It is what it is...I liked the look a bunch.
Yeah.. you gotta pay to see me dance
anyway, I already said that I will be posting a higher quality version, as well as DNGs.
I love the comment about punchiness haha.
Also, I'm a sucker for a harmonic minor. The grade fitted the music's mood.
How compressed is it when you upload? YouTube is far less forgiving than Vimeo
Re: Downtown J-Town
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Mon Nov 12, 2012 4:25 amby Michael Beck
Nick Bedford wrote:I love the comment about punchiness haha.
Also, I'm a sucker for a harmonic minor. The grade fitted the music's mood.
How compressed is it when you upload? YouTube is far less forgiving than Vimeo
I uploaded it at 8000kbps
Re: Downtown J-Town
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Mon Nov 12, 2012 4:52 amby CaptainHook
Nick Bedford wrote:Also, I'm a sucker for a harmonic minor. The grade fitted the music's mood.
All i can "see" is this:
and this:
Re: Downtown J-Town
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Mon Nov 12, 2012 5:07 amby Benton Collins
Nice test Michael! The anamorphic is intriguing!
Re: Downtown J-Town
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Mon Nov 12, 2012 10:11 amby matthijsliethof
Oh mannn I was thinking of holding off this morning on the BMCC and spend more cash towards improving my other gear. But hot damn, I need that crispy good facemelting Dynamic Range Resolution. Blows my dslr out of the water.
Keep this footage coming to sooth the pain of waiting for the camera. ;p I love it.
Re: Downtown J-Town
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Mon Nov 12, 2012 2:52 pmby Michael Beck
Ok, here is a higher quality version (20000kbps):
https://www.dropbox.com/s/gjj6wlfuptobz ... J-Town.mp4and here are some DNG stills: (remember that they are anamorphic, so the will need to be squished down)
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/26ilx2yt8kd1uc2/IxNWLvfUNnEnjoy!
Re: Downtown J-Town
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Mon Nov 12, 2012 5:01 pmby Sam Meyer
Just graded the first shot and WOW. The stuff you can do without it going to crap.
Re: Downtown J-Town
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Mon Nov 12, 2012 8:38 pmby Jesuan Soriano
I so f***king love this camera!!! I've graded the first shot and I'm amazed!!!
Jesus
Re: Downtown J-Town
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Mon Nov 12, 2012 8:54 pmby Michael Beck
Glad you guys like it. I am amazed at what this $3k camera can do.. it is simply mind blowing!
Re: Downtown J-Town
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Mon Nov 12, 2012 9:32 pmby Dennis Nomer
This looks nice at 1080 in Youtube with my pipe. At some lower resolutions, Youtube compression messes it up quite a bit and steals what this camera has to offer, so anyone not using the Youtube 1080 setting, you are not seeing it.
I personally prefer more punch and even added light, but I understand how a lot of you like the mellower look.
It definitely shows off the camera.
dn
Re: Downtown J-Town
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Mon Nov 12, 2012 9:50 pmby Michael Beck
DNomer wrote:This looks nice at 1080 in Youtube with my pipe. At some lower resolutions, Youtube compression messes it up quite a bit and steals what this camera has to offer, so anyone not using the Youtube 1080 setting, you are not seeing it.
I personally prefer more punch and even added light, but I understand how a lot of you like the mellower look.
It definitely shows off the camera.
dn
Yeah, color grading is so subjective.. but the great thing is that you can do whatever you want with the fies that this camera puts out. So many options!
Re: Downtown J-Town
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Mon Nov 12, 2012 10:05 pmby Soeren Mueller
Thanks Michael, really nice frames to play with. By the way.. I'm sorry if you already posted it but.. which anamorphic lens are you using?
Re: Downtown J-Town
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Mon Nov 12, 2012 10:14 pmby Michael Beck
mbeck wrote:Joerg Plechinger wrote:What lens did you use?
I used my tamron 17-50mm 2.8 with my runco 1.3 anamorphic adapter lens in front of it.
There you go
Re: Downtown J-Town
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Mon Nov 12, 2012 10:15 pmby Soeren Mueller
mbeck wrote:There you go
Ah thanks sorry I was somehow.. blinded
Re: Downtown J-Town
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Mon Nov 12, 2012 10:21 pmby Michael Beck
Soeren Mueller wrote:Ah thanks sorry I was somehow.. blinded
No problem!
Re: Downtown J-Town
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Mon Nov 12, 2012 11:57 pmby Christian Schmeer
Love the video, looks great!
Re: Downtown J-Town
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Tue Nov 13, 2012 3:02 amby Justin Jones
Brilliant stuff man. I am really grateful you uploaded the higher resolution file to your drop box. I have a question. What kind of tripod did you use?
I am due for a new purchase and kind of on the fence. I was planning on the sachtler fsb-4 but now that I am going to get the BMCC; once its kited out, it may be over the weight threshold for the fsb-4. Because of the weight issue, I am considering a miller compass 12-15 or the sachtler fsb-6. I appreciate your input.
Re: Downtown J-Town
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Tue Nov 13, 2012 4:27 amby Michael Beck
Watermoore wrote:Brilliant stuff man. I am really grateful you uploaded the higher resolution file to your drop box. I have a question. What kind of tripod did you use?
I am due for a new purchase and kind of on the fence. I was planning on the sachtler fsb-4 but now that I am going to get the BMCC; once its kited out, it may be over the weight threshold for the fsb-4. Because of the weight issue, I am considering a miller compass 12-15 or the sachtler fsb-6. I appreciate your input.
Thanks man,
My tripod is a bogen 3066 head and sticks.. it holds the camera just fine.. but its really more of an ENG tripod. It doesn't have any nice features, and is not on a ball head, so leveling is a real pain.
Re: Downtown J-Town
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Tue Nov 13, 2012 5:30 amby Justin Jones
How ironic I have the same set up. Amen on the non ball head leveling fiasco. That's kind of why I am considering the upgrade. My previous use with sachtlers made life so nice but the price certainly is painful! Thanks for the speedy response.
Re: Downtown J-Town
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Tue Nov 13, 2012 10:05 amby Soeren Mueller
Watermoore wrote:Brilliant stuff man. I am really grateful you uploaded the higher resolution file to your drop box. I have a question. What kind of tripod did you use?
I am due for a new purchase and kind of on the fence. I was planning on the sachtler fsb-4 but now that I am going to get the BMCC; once its kited out, it may be over the weight threshold for the fsb-4. Because of the weight issue, I am considering a miller compass 12-15 or the sachtler fsb-6. I appreciate your input.
Hey Watermoore, I would certainly go with the FSB-6.. I've got the same one (but using other legs with it as I found the original ones from the Sachtler kit to be a little "flimsy" for my taste) ... I even used a fully kitted out EPIC on it once (was more of a last resort/emergency thing) ... but it worked quite well!
Another no budget shoot I used a RED ONE MX on it.. it sort of worked but it was definitely over the FSB6's threshold
Re: Downtown J-Town
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Tue Nov 13, 2012 3:40 pmby Joerg Plechinger
mbeck wrote:Joerg Plechinger wrote:What lens did you use?
I used my tamron 17-50mm 2.8 with my runco 1.3 anamorphic adapter lens in front of it.
Thank you.
I'm using the same lens on my 60D along with an Panasonic adapter ... Uuh, I can't wait to use it with the BMCC
... same for the tokina 11-16: It should provide images without any vignetting on the BMCC.
Re: Downtown J-Town
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Tue Nov 13, 2012 9:14 pmby Gary Templeton
I'm curious why you used a anamorphic adapter? Does it give your lens a wider field of view? I've never used one so I don't quite understand its value.
By the way, I found the video quality of your clip on YouTube looked fine as far as compressed streaming video goes.
Re: Downtown J-Town
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Tue Nov 13, 2012 9:53 pmby Michael Beck
Gary Templeton wrote:I'm curious why you used a anamorphic adapter? Does it give your lens a wider field of view? I've never used one so I don't quite understand its value.
By the way, I found the video quality of your clip on YouTube looked fine as far as compressed streaming video goes.
It does make the FOV wider.. but because of the way it is designed, it cannot have a lens wider than about 24mm behind it, so that is not a real gain for it.
The real reason is two fold.
1. I like the look that anamorphic lenses give you. Bokeh, flares, etc.
2. it allows me to have a wider aspect for my film without losing resolution. If I wanted to have a wide aspect ratio without the anamorphic lens, I would have to just crop the top and bottom. This way, I can just squeeze the image down, and keep all that resolution.
Re: Downtown J-Town
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Wed Nov 14, 2012 7:12 amby Joerg Plechinger
mbeck wrote:Gary Templeton wrote:I'm curious why you used a anamorphic adapter? Does it give your lens a wider field of view? I've never used one so I don't quite understand its value.
By the way, I found the video quality of your clip on YouTube looked fine as far as compressed streaming video goes.
It does make the FOV wider.. but because of the way it is designed, it cannot have a lens wider than about 24mm behind it, so that is not a real gain for it.
The reachable FOV depends on the adapter and the diameter of taking lens though. I'm using the Panasonic AG-LA7200 which has a 72/77mm Filter thread. On my 60D I can already use a Tokina 11-16 at about 14mm without vignetting. In my opinion it's the best anamorphic adapter, since it is been designed for modern videocameras and you can use it without any lensclamp. On the BMC the Tokina - along with the adapter - will probably provide the widest image you can get on the EF-mount Version.
Re: Downtown J-Town
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Wed Nov 14, 2012 8:30 amby Michael Beck
Joerg Plechinger wrote:
The reachable FOV depends on the adapter and the diameter of taking lens though. I'm using the Panasonic AG-LA7200 which has a 72/77mm Filter thread. On my 60D I can already use a Tokina 11-16 at about 14mm without vignetting. In my opinion it's the best anamorphic adapter, since it is been designed for modern videocameras and you can use it without any lensclamp. On the BMC the Tokina - along with the adapter - will probably provide the widest image you can get on the EF-mount Version.
Yeah, doesn't the LA7200 have a really big front element? My adapter is like 77mm on front and back. I think that may be the reason why I can't get wider.
