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Electronic follow-focus

PostPosted: Tue Dec 25, 2012 12:31 pm
by jooher
EF-edition supports the lens AF feature, right? So it does implement the control over the focusing motor. But does it provide a possibility to control the focus motor manually - bypassing AF subsystem?
It would be a perfect built-in manual follow-focus, operated by touchscreen or simple external controller-wheel - instead of those ugly and atavistic on-lense rollers. And it would require virtually no changes in camera design.

Re: Electronic follow-focus

PostPosted: Tue Dec 25, 2012 3:03 pm
by Cameron Mckinlay

Re: Electronic follow-focus

PostPosted: Tue Dec 25, 2012 3:38 pm
by jooher
i think that wheel controller mght be much more compact and portable, and could mount right on the camera side.

Re: Electronic follow-focus

PostPosted: Tue Dec 25, 2012 7:59 pm
by adamroberts
The EF BMCC does not auto focus. The mount only controls the aperture and enables IS. You have to manually focus the lens.

Re: Electronic follow-focus

PostPosted: Tue Dec 25, 2012 8:08 pm
by Peter J. DeCrescenzo
jooher wrote:EF-edition supports the lens AF feature, right? So it does implement the control over the focusing motor. But does it provide a possibility to control the focus motor manually - bypassing AF subsystem?
It would be a perfect built-in manual follow-focus, operated by touchscreen or simple external controller-wheel - instead of those ugly and atavistic on-lense rollers. And it would require virtually no changes in camera design.


The BMCC has a LANC Remote port, which can control focus of an EF lens. See page 7 in the BMCC user manual:

"... The remote port on your camera can be used to remotely control the following functions of your camera including starting and stoppping record, iris adjustments and also focus adjustments when using a compatible lens. The remote port can be found under its dust cap on the left face of the camera. The port is a 2.5 mm stereo jack which uses the standard Sony LANC protocol. ..."

The BMCC user manual can be downloaded from BMD's website:
http://www.blackmagicdesign.com/support/

Re: Electronic follow-focus

PostPosted: Tue Dec 25, 2012 9:28 pm
by Christian Schmeer
Focusing via LANC on the BMCC is news to me, what remotes and lenses would be compatible?

Re: Electronic follow-focus

PostPosted: Tue Dec 25, 2012 9:53 pm
by Peter J. DeCrescenzo
Christian Schmeer wrote:Focusing via LANC on the BMCC is news to me, what remotes and lenses would be compatible?


As noted in the BMCC user manual, Sony-type LANC controllers. These are widely available from a variety of companies. Theoretically, a EF lens that supports AF should be controllable (allow focus to be adjusted) via LANC.

Re: Electronic follow-focus

PostPosted: Tue Dec 25, 2012 10:13 pm
by John Brawley
LANC works, but it's dog slow, not repeatable and there's a lot of latency.

JB.

Re: Electronic follow-focus

PostPosted: Tue Dec 25, 2012 10:38 pm
by Peter J. DeCrescenzo
John Brawley wrote:LANC works, but it's dog slow, not repeatable and there's a lot of latency. JB.


Understood. I've used LANC a lot in the past with DV camcorders. It's slow & sloppy. That's why I said "adjust" focus, not "follow" focus. Cheers.

Re: Electronic follow-focus

PostPosted: Wed Dec 26, 2012 12:41 am
by Cameron Mckinlay
So then would the Micro-USB port on the BMCC work with one of the USB controllers posted above? Or does the Micro-USB port not even carry that function?

Re: Electronic follow-focus

PostPosted: Wed Dec 26, 2012 12:47 am
by Peter J. DeCrescenzo
cmckinlay wrote:So then would the Micro-USB port on the BMCC work with one of the USB controllers posted above? Or does the Micro-USB port not even carry that function?


The BMCC's USB port supports firmware updates from BMD, and can be used charge the internally battery v-e-r-y s-l-o-w-l-y via USB

That's its only function. Theoretically that could change in the future, but I wouldn't count on it.

Re: Electronic follow-focus

PostPosted: Wed Dec 26, 2012 12:51 am
by Cameron Mckinlay
I hope the guys over at Magic lantern decide to get their hands on one and see how far they can push the technology inside that little box. Could be interesting...

Re: Electronic follow-focus

PostPosted: Wed Dec 26, 2012 1:26 am
by John Brawley
The USB is only for software updates. (It can also recharge the internal battery, thought its very slow. )

JB

Re: Electronic follow-focus

PostPosted: Wed Dec 26, 2012 8:32 am
by jooher
adamroberts wrote:The EF BMCC does not auto focus. The mount only controls the aperture and enables IS. You have to manually focus the lens.


Then what is the FOCUS button for? On the right side from the screen
http://www.blackmagicdesign.com/media/3 ... tadata.jpg

Re: Electronic follow-focus

PostPosted: Wed Dec 26, 2012 8:35 am
by John Brawley
It toggles focus peaking.

One day, it may activate AF.

JB.

Re: Electronic follow-focus

PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 5:37 pm
by Darryl Gregory
Start/Stop-Focusing using LANC is best on a Jib, or any occasion you can not reach your camera nothing more really. But still nice we have it on the BMCC :D

Re: Electronic follow-focus

PostPosted: Wed Jul 24, 2013 10:09 pm
by raadgie
What about this one?

Manfrotto MVR911ECCN

Re: Electronic follow-focus

PostPosted: Wed Jul 24, 2013 10:38 pm
by Zack Wilson
Rumor has it that the next firmware might have AF... if photos from beta testers on Twitter who are also involved in this thread are to be believed. ;)

Re: Electronic follow-focus

PostPosted: Thu Jul 25, 2013 6:55 am
by Margus Voll
I posted a link to the images earlier some time.

If what Grant said in some talks is true "fw will be universal to all camera bodies" then i see
the possibility to be super strong.

There was focus and accurate battery percentage number.

Hope ssd left would be also implemented in some point of time. Should be simple "ping" every time you stop the camera.