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Posted: **Tue Dec 25, 2012 5:52 pm**

Hi everyone! We just wrapped up a three days of shooting with BMCC.

I was hired to create a crew to make a low budget movie and I was Cinematographer on that with BMCC for BMD's reseller in Turkey and they supplied us two EF mount BMCC bodies, an offset Shape rig, a Movcam rig, two Movcam FF, two hdmi monitor, a BMD Sdi to Hdmi battery converter, a BMD Sdi to Hdmi down converter, three gold mount Rolux batteries.

I used my own lenses (Canon 16-35 f2.8, Samyang 35 f1.4, SMC Takumar 55 f1.8, Samyang 85 f1.4 and Canon 70-300) and I also used my Switronix PB-70 batteries and Sandisk Extreme 480 GB SSD as well.

I'll share my opinions about all accesories and products which were listed above. I am looking to share some DNG's..

Stay tuned! See you!

Posted: **Tue Dec 25, 2012 10:28 pm**

Man, that is awesome!

Looking forward from hearing and seeing anything from you.

Posted: **Wed Dec 26, 2012 8:28 am**

Ok... Let's talk about the camera...

Actually, I liked it. The body and the mount looks very solid. It is seemed quite heavy for handheld shooting with its own handles because the camera is heavy while how small it is. 5" LCD is ok for internal shootings but it make almost impossible to put a correct exposure value while working external because of reflection and we have to color correct some external locations' shots carefully then other. I really wonder how could not they predict the reflection of the monitor will be an issue... The hood is just inefficient at all!

I used camera with a shape offset rig. The rig is made by really durable materials and I liked its rosetta screw system handles, they are really easy to use. We have battery converter from BMD for SDI to HDMI conversion but they don't produce any image for HDMI monitors and we still don't know why they didn't work.

I don't think it is useful that using with an offset rig while working with the camera because it makes camera's center of gravity to some position which is really hard to balance it especially if you like to pull your own focus like me. So, I wish I had a EVF with an inline version of same rig.

The camera which I used is have aluminium mount cap with blue dot. Firmware was 1.1.
We shot RAW and I preferred mostly 24 fps but I used 30 fps for some shots to make them a bit smoother.
We have a little light for internals, (1x 2kw, 2x 1kw, 2x long kino, 2x short kino, 2x chinese lantern and all other accesorises as such as flags, gels, frames, reflectors).
I want to see the camera how camera work with available light not just because of we want to see it also because of my style. We have some night shots which gonna be shot with available light on callsheet but I can not shoot them because some strange issues about production.

We had a really tight budget excluding camera equipment and we wanted to simulate an indie filmmaker's behaviours to see how it is work for them with tight budget situations.

We have one more body which have plastic mount cap, like later batches and I wanted to use it for film but it has tripod and accessorize mounts which don't fit any standarts.. So we used it to shot backstage on ProRes with a movcam inline rig,

Posted: **Wed Dec 26, 2012 9:16 am**

muratcangokce wrote:Ok... Let's talk about the camera...
We have one more body which have plastic mount cap, like later batches and I wanted to use it for film but it has tripod and accessorize mounts which don't fit any standarts.. So we used it to shot backstage on ProRes with a movcam inline rig,

Hi,

thanks a lot for your insight, very appreciated, especially when someone used it under low-budget-real life conditions and not under phillip-bloom-conditions when every accessoire is at hand.

What I didn't get is the above quoted: are you talking about a second BMC camera body that has non-standard mounts? God, I hope NOT!

Posted: **Wed Dec 26, 2012 9:24 am**

gmf wrote:
muratcangokce wrote:Ok... Let's talk about the camera...
We have one more body which have plastic mount cap, like later batches and I wanted to use it for film but it has tripod and accessorize mounts which don't fit any standarts.. So we used it to shot backstage on ProRes with a movcam inline rig,

Hi,

thanks a lot for your insight, very appreciated, especially when someone used it under low-budget-real life conditions and not under phillip-bloom-conditions when every accessoire is at hand.

What I didn't get is the above quoted: are you talking about a second BMC camera body that has non-standard mounts? God, I hope NOT!

yes, second body has tripod and accessorize screw mount which are not 1/4" or 3/8". I think DIT said it was metric 8.

edit: btw, thank you

I think we would launch the film at vimeo, youtube etc. something like mid-january.

Posted: **Wed Dec 26, 2012 9:36 am**

muratcangokce wrote:
gmf wrote:
muratcangokce wrote:Ok... Let's talk about the camera...
We have one more body which have plastic mount cap, like later batches and I wanted to use it for film but it has tripod and accessorize mounts which don't fit any standarts.. So we used it to shot backstage on ProRes with a movcam inline rig,

Hi,

thanks a lot for your insight, very appreciated, especially when someone used it under low-budget-real life conditions and not under phillip-bloom-conditions when every accessoire is at hand.

What I didn't get is the above quoted: are you talking about a second BMC camera body that has non-standard mounts? God, I hope NOT!

yes, second body has tripod and accessorize screw mount which are not 1/4" or 3/8". I think DIT said it was metric 8.

edit: btw, thank you I think we would launch the film at vimeo, youtube etc. something like mid-january.

Great, I'd love to see Istanbul shot with the BMC!

Oh yes, metric 8 - I always wished that stupid 1/4" + 3/8"-system an at least con/prosumer cameras (don't know about the pros) would vanish from the face of earth - but if it mean we have to throw away all our 1/4" and 3/8" screws, oh that's sad with all the "would-have-been-easyto-attach-accessoires" we already have....

Anyway, that's a minor problem compared to the useless lcd when outside. :-)

Enjoy the post-production!

Posted: **Wed Dec 26, 2012 9:41 am**

gmf wrote:
Great, I'd love to see Istanbul shot with the BMC!

Oh yes, metric 8 - I always wished that stupid 1/4" + 3/8"-system an at least con/prosumer cameras (don't know about the pros) would vanish from the face of earth - but if it mean we have to throw away all our 1/4" and 3/8" screws, oh that's sad with all the "would-have-been-easyto-attach-accessoires" we already have....

Anyway, that's a minor problem compared to the useless lcd when outside.

Enjoy the post-production!

there is some hot spot issues on the camera which I used, so in that case it was a major issue...

on the other hand, yes useless screen is a awful problem i believe... an evf is a "must to have" with BMCC.

Posted: **Wed Dec 26, 2012 9:48 am**

So the time waiting for it to arrive is the time to raise some money for an external monitor at least.
Ah.. and a battery-solution.

Posted: **Wed Dec 26, 2012 9:51 am**

gmf wrote:So the time waiting for it to arrive is the time to raise some money for an external monitor at least.
Ah.. and a battery-solution.

they supplied me some rolux gold mount batteries which were quite good and I have my own switronix pb70's, I believe Switronix PB70 is more useful if you want to use a small or maybe no rig..

Posted: **Wed Dec 26, 2012 9:57 am**

Thx for the hint with the Switronix, guess my rig will be very very minimal due to the fact how I work and how barely existant my budget is ... actually :-)

Posted: **Wed Dec 26, 2012 12:39 pm**

muratcangokce wrote:...useless screen is a awful problem i believe... an evf is a "must to have" with BMCC.

I wonder with the HDMI EVF not working, did you use a coat that you could throw over your head to cover the camera when focusing?

Rick Lang
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Posted: **Wed Dec 26, 2012 1:33 pm**

3rd day of shooting was a total guerilla shooting with lots of yelling and much more hurry. So we should be careful to not attract attention to us because the locations were some of most crowded places of Istanbul and we didn't have any permission. We have a unitbox full of lenses, rig parts etc. and there is no chance to use any coat to block that damn reflection...

Posted: **Wed Dec 26, 2012 4:17 pm**

@muratcangokce

Glad to see so you wrapped up your shoot with the BMC, cant wait to see it! (possibly behind the scenes photo/video?)

I am shooting a short in January 11th with the BMC so curious about your workflow, could you post up you hickups and methods?

Pics pics pics!

Posted: **Wed Dec 26, 2012 4:22 pm**

muratcangokce wrote:... there is no chance to use any coat to block that damn reflection...

FYI:
http://herefortheweather.wordpress.com/ ... on-on-you/
http://herefortheweather.wordpress.com/ ... uchscreen/

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Posted: **Thu Dec 27, 2012 9:58 am**

Peter J. DeCrescenzo wrote:
muratcangokce wrote:... there is no chance to use any coat to block that damn reflection...

FYI:
http://herefortheweather.wordpress.com/ ... on-on-you/
http://herefortheweather.wordpress.com/ ... uchscreen/

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[QUOTE=Peter J. DeCrescenzo;42027]Unfortunately there isn't a perfect inexpensive solution. The [url="http://herefortheweather.wordpress.com/2012/09/16/bmcc-not-a-reflection-on-you/"]3M anti-glare film[/url] reduces reflections, but also slightly reduces the perceived sharpness of a display. A much better solution is something like an Alphatron EVF, but obviously much more expensive.

Andrew used the 3M anti-glare film on his BMCC when he shot his "[url="http://vimeo.com/55887965"]Trip to Mexico[/url]" video and found it helpful, but not ideal.

I'll be interested to try the [url="http://herefortheweather.wordpress.com/2012/10/07/bmcc-hoodman-hrt5-hoodsunshade-for-5-touchscreen/"]Hoodman 5" sunshade[/url] on the touchscreen LCD if my BMCC ever arrives, together with the anti-glare film and by itself. The front edge of the Hoodman sunshade is soft Velcro fabric, so it might be possible to attach it using hook-Velcro tape on the camera.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the reply Peter. I know the solutions you shared above and I did not want to use 3M anti-glare film because of the sharpness issue, I usually pulls my own focus this is the reason behind it.

Hoodman 5" sunshade could be the ideal solution for know but I forgot it to be honest...

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Let's talk back about the camera.

Now, we are exporting proxies to cut the project.
We curious about just one question for this step, we are exporting proxies as Apple ProRes 422 LT @1920x1080. So how many stops we lost with that conversion?

On the other hand I did not find metadata entry function that useful. Yes It could be useful but I cannot change every column on every other shot.
Roll, Slate, Shot column are OK but I wish they made take column auto increase and auto reset function as default. On this project, I don't have enough time to change every column between shots and I forgot to make that take column to "1" every time. So our metadata entries are very confusing...
I believe, It might be good to make "take column" to have auto reset and auto increase functions, while other columns are manuel...

Posted: **Thu Dec 27, 2012 10:36 am**

muratcangokce wrote:Let's talk back about the camera.

Now, we are exporting proxies to cut the project.
We curious about just one question for this step, we are exporting proxies as Apple ProRes 422 LT @1920x1080. So how many stops we lost with that conversion?

On the other hand I did not find metadata entry function that useful. Yes It could be useful but I cannot change every column on every other shot.
Roll, Slate, Shot column are OK but I wish they made take column auto increase and auto reset function as default. On this project, I don't have enough time to change every column between shots and I forgot to make that take column to "1" every time. So our metadata entries are very confusing...
I believe, It might be good to make "take column" to have auto reset and auto increase functions, while other columns are manuel...

I would still slate with an actual clapperboard and use the meta as a backup, it seemed a bit odd to me too

Posted: **Thu Dec 27, 2012 10:44 am**

Marcel Beck wrote:
muratcangokce wrote:Let's talk back about the camera.

Now, we are exporting proxies to cut the project.
We curious about just one question for this step, we are exporting proxies as Apple ProRes 422 LT @1920x1080. So how many stops we lost with that conversion?

On the other hand I did not find metadata entry function that useful. Yes It could be useful but I cannot change every column on every other shot.
Roll, Slate, Shot column are OK but I wish they made take column auto increase and auto reset function as default. On this project, I don't have enough time to change every column between shots and I forgot to make that take column to "1" every time. So our metadata entries are very confusing...
I believe, It might be good to make "take column" to have auto reset and auto increase functions, while other columns are manuel...
we don't need synced sound that much because we have only one dialog... but It would be better to know which sound should go where... also we have to (and want to) try that metadata entry thing...

I would still slate with an actual clapperboard and use the meta as a backup, it seemed a bit odd to me too

Posted: **Thu Dec 27, 2012 4:10 pm**

This is the first photo which I can share with you.. Me, Shape rig, BMCC with a Rolux battery and Movcam FF @Ortakoy, Istanbul..

Posted: **Thu Dec 27, 2012 4:33 pm**

How did you find the shape rig?

Posted: **Thu Dec 27, 2012 5:06 pm**

Marcel Beck wrote:How did you find the shape rig?

Hi Marcel, as I said at first post, our reseller supply it to us..

Posted: **Thu Dec 27, 2012 8:52 pm**

muratcangokce wrote:
Marcel Beck wrote:How did you find the shape rig?

Hi Marcel, as I said at first post, our reseller supply it to us..

Sorry I skimmed the other post :lol:

Looking good, cant wait to see some results!

Posted: **Thu Dec 27, 2012 9:09 pm**

Marcel Beck wrote:
muratcangokce wrote:
Marcel Beck wrote:How did you find the shape rig?

Hi Marcel, as I said at first post, our reseller supply it to us..

Sorry I skimmed the other post

Looking good, cant wait to see some results!

Don't worry

It has a feeling that makes you trust it. It is very durable, solid.. A bit heavy but useful that much. They used heavy materials on it but also these materials make it solid that much. Also it has lots of different sizes of screw mounts for accesorises on cage and top handle..

Posted: **Mon Dec 31, 2012 12:32 pm**

hello everyone and happy new year all of you!

I am looking to post a few graded framegrabs from project no later than tomorrow.. stay tuned and drink responsibly..

Posted: **Tue Jan 01, 2013 12:30 pm**

Will be great to see Istanbul. Can't wait to see it and here about the adventures.

Posted: **Fri Jan 04, 2013 9:28 pm**

hi everyone. today I took some details about İstanbul and our locations with one BMCC and a very small setup. We had just the camera, a movcam rig + follow focus and just a tripod. I used my samyangs (35 and 85) and just one of my switronix batteries but I borrowed a Sigma 10-22 this time to cover wide end.

I ordered a Samyang 14 f2.8 and 24 f1.4 but Tokina 11-16 would be a better choice instead of Samyang 14mm. If I would go with MFT mount BMCC I would buy SLRmagic 12mm f1.6 but I don't know how can I cover the gap between 12mm and 24mm.

There was a nice surprise that to saw a member of forum who read this thread and we had a bit of chat while we are shooting some extra shot at Historical Peninsula, Eminonu.. I am so sorry but I forgot his username because we were in a hurry but I hope that he gonna write a reply on this thread.

BTW the camera's look attract all of people from who saw us that knows something about camera to who don't know anything about camera.

Posted: **Sat Jan 05, 2013 5:08 am**

muratcangokce wrote:There was a nice surprise that to saw a member of forum who read this thread and we had a bit of chat while we are shooting some extra shot at Historical Peninsula, Eminonu.. I am so sorry but I forgot his username because we were in a hurry but I hope that he gonna write a reply on this thread.

BTW the camera's look attract all of people from who saw us that knows something about camera to who don't know anything about camera.

Hi it was nice meeting you today, I knew it was you because I remember seeing this post before I came to Istanbul, I figured probably not many people are shooting with BMCC in Instanbul, but I still can't belive I just saw you shooting on the street like that! Good luck with your short story!
Marcus

Posted: **Sat Jan 05, 2013 4:38 pm**

muratcangokce wrote: If I would go with MFT mount BMCC I would buy SLRmagic 12mm f1.6 but I don't know how can I cover the gap between 12mm and 24mm.

Voigtlander 17.5mm

Posted: **Sat Jan 05, 2013 5:13 pm**

Fabián Matas wrote:
muratcangokce wrote: If I would go with MFT mount BMCC I would buy SLRmagic 12mm f1.6 but I don't know how can I cover the gap between 12mm and 24mm.

Voigtlander 17.5mm

I can not simply afford it...

Posted: **Sun Jan 06, 2013 5:06 am**

hi muratcangokce, is there any chance the company commissioned you can rent out the BMCC for a day? if there's a day that you are not shooting and the company is willing to rent it out just for a day to make some extra money, let me know. I would love to try out the workflow especially given I'm in Istanbul on vacation, I would love to make some simple shots to play with grading raw(I can imagine grading the beautiful sunrise over Bosphorus.)
Let me know: libinhan@me.com
Marcus

Posted: **Mon Feb 04, 2013 9:32 pm**

hello everyone! we completed film and uploded to vimeo but it is private for crew's preview. now we are waiting for the news coming from the distributor, when they completed their website and the backstage of the film we will make the public.

so if you want to see some Istanbul and a real indie conditions' experience with the camera, stay tuned. after releasing film, I'll share my detailed thoughts about camera, the shape rig and other equipments with you.. take care!

Posted: **Mon Feb 04, 2013 11:06 pm**

Looking forward to seeing it, Istanbul is one of my favourite cities

Posted: **Sat Mar 02, 2013 8:14 am**

Hi fellas!

Today I am a bit excited because today our film will be showed as a part of a digital cinema workshop which hosted by Blackmagic's Turkey reseller, and also the company who produce our film, Cine360 at Bahcesehir University Galata Campus, Istanbul.

I won't be there because I am working away.

And also we are planning to making film and its backstage online by today as well... I am really excited and I hope that you feelings are same with us

See you!

Posted: **Mon Mar 25, 2013 10:56 am**

I GLAD to announce that we FINALLY released our film on Vimeo account of our producer, which supplied camera equipment to us, Cine 360. They supplied us Shape Offset BMCC Rig, Movcam Rig and FF, Rolux AB mount batteries and two BMCC bodies of course... When we went them with the project, they backed us with full faith... They gave us an amazing chance with making first production of a that kind of a camera...

As I said before, we wanted to simulate a low budget indie film situation and we tried to not use that much of additional lights at all... Sometimes we filled only the key light, but at interiors we used a bit of light...

There is lots of thing about camera and most of them are good... I'll share my experienced with camera later, see you!

"PIGEON!" First BMCC production of TURKEY!

Behind The Scenes of "Pigeon!"

RAW and Graded footage comparison on "Pigeon!"s footage.

Comparison of "Pigeon!"s footage with different LUTs.

Posted: **Mon Mar 25, 2013 3:06 pm**

How was the canon 16-35??? Did you use it a lot?

Posted: **Mon Mar 25, 2013 9:50 pm**

muratcangokce wrote:I GLAD to announce that we FINALLY released our film on Vimeo account of our producer...

"PIGEON!" First BMCC production of TURKEY!

Congratulations! Thanks for posting. Enjoyed your short. Looking forward to hearing your own assessment of the strengths and weaknesses of the shoot. Hope your next project includes more of the woman at her window.

Rick Lang
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