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Thoughts?

11.5 stops puts it in FS100 territory. But the FS100 kills everything in low light. Raw is nice but no other options? Not for me. To me, the biggest appeal of the BMC is the DR, which we've all seen proven to be real and usable. 11.5 stops, usable or not, takes it out of the class that the BMC, RED, and Alexa are in, latitude-wise...

The competition is just starting. Over the next few months I suspect we might see some very interesting surprises.

BMC needs to deliver their inventory ASAP!

I like it but I'm more excited by their S8. The difference in image quality is minimal with the BMCC and S35 for me. In fact from the test footage I've seen I prefer the image from the Black Magic. That though could be more due to the fact that Kinefinity has hardly got the camera out there to the online users to truly experiment with. It could also be due to the 4k sensor compressing things down to 2k or online compression codecs which equalises all the footage.

Well, the rival was anounced a year ago... (And the website stills bugged, sometimes doesent shows pages)
The only thing that they changed is the camera design with the mini version,more like red than alexa

But i think the real rival will be companys like canon, i think this year is gonna be a blackmagic boom and that will force these companys to decrease prizes or launch new cameras... And they do that faster.

ChrisMV wrote:http://www.eoshd.com/content/9462/blackmagic-cinema-camera-gets-a-rival-dan-chung-shows-us-the-kineraw-mini

Thoughts?

No doubt very interesting at this stage but success will depend on many things besides specifications. I think I appreciate the flexibility of the 2400x1350 debayered raw image size of the BMCC over the 2048x1080 image from the Kineraw Mini. I may be wrong but if one is trying to convert raw bayer data to a useful quality video image, don't we still need about 20% more raw data than our edit timeline and final deliverable format require to generate quality colour? Something doesn't add up in saying it is a 2048x1080 raw image. Anyone understand where I've gone wrong in my thinking?

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Well its bound to happen, another kid on the block. Im still waiting patiently for my BMCC, but im curious to see if these guys have enough product for 2013 and more options. What are your guys thoughts on up and coming competition who are not from major companies like Canon or Nikon? Heres an article http://cinescopophilia.com/a-kineraw-mini-s35-camera-plus-a-monochrome-version-maybe-by-august/ and another extensive by EOSHD http://www.eoshd.com/content/9462/blackmagic-cinema-camera-gets-a-rival-dan-chung-shows-us-the-kineraw-mini

The Kineraw Mini will be making an appearance at NAB 2013.
Here are some rumoured specs.
Rumored at 4ooo$
Super 35mm
ISO to 10,240
Dyanamic Range at 11.5 stops
CinemaDNG only
Resolution is 2048×1080 12bit
Monitoring is via HDMI

Standard pkg for the mini S35 is rumoured at $4800.

Rumoured to be shipping domestically (China only) in march.

This camera won't be shipped internationally for quite some time.

Competition is good, but this particular camera has no ace in the hole. At least none that I can find in the spec sheet.

sean mclennan wrote:Standard pkg for the mini S35 is rumoured at $4800.

Rumoured to be shipping domestically (China only) in march.

This camera won't be shipped internationally for quite some time.

Competition is good, but this particular camera has no ace in the hole. At least none that I can find in the spec sheet.

Yea the BMCC still has the edge in resolution and price, hopefully getting cameras out this year in full production will be a win, but it looks like other companies are working on getting their own cine-version cameras out at a 5k under price point. Id be curious to see if they actually put a S35 sensor in the KineMini without a fan in it, and see low light test compared to BMCC, battery life. An Interchangeable mount, is definitely a win and from what they are rumoring the size "palm in hand" could be a good and bad thing. No pro res on this particular camera is a lose, in my opinion. With BMCC's going to 5200$ on ebay right now, it seems the market is craving all this new cine-technology with RAW. We will see how this turns out.

I just noticed there was a post already about this earlier.

As much as many of us are frustrated at what's happening with the shipping, I'm still hoping that Blackmagic comes out on top by getting all the orders out before NAB. This is because they were the first ones to release a raw camera for less than $6000. Not to mention the goodies that come with it like Da Vinci Resolve. I think it'll only look bad for them if people aren't getting the camera they ordered last April until after one year after placing the order.

If they really want to get ahead they better start ramping up shipping on all models before giving other companies a chance to create their sub 5K raw cameras. Which I have no doubt other companies will have theirs come out at NAB 2013. I would just start shipping whatever comes first. If the MFT version is done just start shipping and once the EF mount comes in ship those too but don't start delaying waiting for one over the other. No I don't understand a product being ready (MFT) and putting it off to the side not shipping it because the other one isn't ready?? Since this is Blackmagic's first camera I don't think they can afford to put the MFT on hold while they wait for the EF version to be ready. People tend to get impatient and they have jobs theyre waiting to do and productions they're waiting to do. And if they see something that interests them in April more than the Blackmagic and a company that will start shipping soon after they will jump on that.

I'm not referring to Kineraw specifically as you are right, it will take them a little while before they start shipping internationally, but if any other company surprises NAB with a camera that's ready to ship within a month or two That promises similar specs then we will have some major competition and many people will start cancelling their orders. Just not something you want.

Putting the MFT on hold is just not answer when the thing is ready to go.

cheezweezl wrote:11.5 stops puts it in FS100 territory. But the FS100 kills everything in low light. Raw is nice but no other options? Not for me. To me, the biggest appeal of the BMC is the DR, which we've all seen proven to be real and usable. 11.5 stops, usable or not, takes it out of the class that the BMC, RED, and Alexa are in, latitude-wise...

The dynamic range is 13 stops.
I heard preordering for March delivery just started. If BMCC would not ship by volume by May or June...