Re: 4.6K Turret for Original Ursa Owners?
Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2017 4:07 pm
Oh my... cant they at least say something official?
https://forum.blackmagicdesign.com/
https://forum.blackmagicdesign.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=45698
Gavin_c_clark wrote:The words chosen- 'the worlds first user upgradable 4k digital film camera with a built in 10" monitor' were chosen to be on the box because they're the USP of the camera.
rick.lang wrote:Stuart Ashton's voice and skin colour was a lot more steady in that interview.
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robertmanningjr wrote:Maybe the Federal Trade Commission can get an answer:
"Getting Refunds for Consumers
The FTC sues companies that make deceptive claims about their products or services. These lawsuits sometimes result in refunds for the people affected. Want more information about the FTC’s refunds program? Take a look at recent FTC cases that resulted in refunds."
Iain Philpott wrote:While nothing official has been announced, the rumour mill is rife. BM need to come out with an update. Is the turret still work in progress or is it dead.?
Iain Philpott wrote:Has anyone shot with both v2 and UMP as to how close you can match them
Iain Philpott wrote:Mini Pro now the only 'cinema' camera available. Even Ursa Mini has gone??????
MartinVidic wrote:Well, it looks bad for the 4.6K turret. No word from BMD... they linked it to the mini pro with this damn upgrade path and now if we "talk" about the minis to compare them to the turret we actually needed, we are threatened that this thread will be closed. BMD, please stop that mini pro nonsense and get the 4.6K turret ready.
We are now forced to talk about that other camera we didn't want and when we do talk about it, its suddenly off topic. Pretty bad this whole situation : (
4.6K TURRET PLEASE!!!!
Ben Mart wrote:Think I'll wait till I hear from BMD...not selling or buying anything thing till they say something.
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Clayton Von Isaacs wrote:Ben Mart wrote:Think I'll wait till I hear from BMD...not selling or buying anything thing till they say something.
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Ursa major is not even on the website anymore. They could not get the 4.6 sensor to work with the hardware in the Ursa Major. That is why they offered the trade in program from the big Ursa to the Ursa Mini Pro. It's dead. Your holding out hope for something that is dead.
rick.lang wrote:Safe to say the URSA's first iteration is dead. It may come back within the next two years in a second generation camera for those who will benefit from its use by a two or three person camera crew, but that's just my speculation based on the number of people that want to keep that design working for them.
The turret is another issue and at this point the official word in public is to the effect "we are working on it, but we aren't satisfied with it yet" as mentioned by Tim Siddons at NAB 2017. So that can go either way: dead or alive and kicking. Off the record it appears that it may be dead, but if I had the URSA, I'd hang on to it too.
The URSA Mini Pro 4.6K upgrade offer is very appealing because you can have your cake and it it too: if and when the turret appears, you can buy the turret and use two cameras or sell one as both will be highly marketable.
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MartinVidic wrote:If this is the upgrade path, the upgrade should be as follows:
You send in your ursa major and get:
• ursa mini pro
• You get an additional 5 inch monitor
• You get an additional 7 inch monitor
• You get a free battery backplate - EVERYBODY bought that.
• and pay 2000$ => the turret price
In fact its still not the same, because the GLOBAL SHUTTER is gone and the FRAME RATE is not there
so you should get another 1000$ off or get a free viewfinder - and im still not 100$ sure if id take it, because the 120 fps were IMPORTANT.
robertmanningjr wrote:The "upgrade" is not an upgrade. It's a settlement."
robertmanningjr wrote:This is the response from UrsaCam:
"UrsaCam.com2 minutes ago
Also the Ursa Mini Pro shoots 120 at 2k, (just so you know).
Brian Gulliver wrote:HOPE WE CAN SEE CLEARL NOW
Dennis Sørensen wrote:Please stop saying that you would hve an 4.6K Ursa with global shutter. That is, and never was, the case.. the switchable part was removed a loooooong time ago. Something they have made very clear. So stop using that as an argument.
David Hessel wrote:Dennis Sørensen wrote:Please stop saying that you would hve an 4.6K Ursa with global shutter. That is, and never was, the case.. the switchable part was removed a loooooong time ago. Something they have made very clear. So stop using that as an argument.
That was the way that advertised when they announced it at NAB. While they may have come out and said it wasn't possible with the Mini as far as I know they have never come out and said it wasn't going to happen for the URSA. So at this point a 4.6k global/rolling shutter turret with all the specs listed above is what was the only version promised that still has not been delievered. If you can find somewhere they say it global shutter was scrapped for the URSA too then you can make that argument.
Denny Smith wrote:It is not over yet. BM is still working on this according to Grant and Dan May. My point was, BM not taking deposits, resellers are to confirm intent to buy. BM is listing the camera to see how much demand they get. If you want a 4.6K Ursa, and/or the upgrade, tell .BM directly, pre order it, etc. The greater the demand, the mote likely .BM will try to make it happen. It might end up, sendingnyou Ursa in for a factory applied upgrade IR a field swap, depending on how much of the original Ursa is reuse able.
Cheers.