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Hello all,

i shooting club parties and inside is dark and i have problems with lights and i hope when i buy these cameras will be all fine and better (i use gopros before), because footage is rly dark i try gain +18, footage looks rly weird and still dark, but better than before.

adapter: http:/zyoptics.net/product/zhongyi-lens-turbo-adapters-for-micro-four-thirds-cameras-m43/
Lens: Zenitar 16 mm 2.8f

Why micro dont have ISO control, i dont care about noise, because footage will be still better than gopro. Would be great if this camera have ISO control or something for more bright footage.

Thank you for your advice and helps

Best,
Aleš

Not sure what ISO control you want but the BMMCC can shoot up to 1600 ISO, native is 800 ISO, and you can go lower if you want.


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I just wanna say

Gopro is better with low light quality, than BMMCC, gopro is full of noise, but for me is ok.

I want go higher with ISO, like 3200, but i dont find this setting in menu. I have old Canon XF105 and this camera is still better, cause i can set higher ISO with noise, but its still ok for me.

BMMCC is professional camera for shooting, but for me is now waste of almost 3700$ +speedboosters and lenses. This is reason why i am here and looking for answer.

The BM cinema cameras, including the Micro CC are not low light cameras. They are designed for commercial,shooting app,ovations that are properly lit, not available light documentary work. ISO on'y goes to 1600, because of the limits of the sensor and processor, to maintain an acceptable image quality standard for professional film applications.

You should be looking at the Sony Alpha series cameras for low light work, not BM.

Hi, it sounds like you have the Micro Studio Camera 4K rather than the Micro Cinema Camera, which uses the terms gain instead of ISO but they do similar things.

Aleš Markup wrote:BMMCC is professional camera for shooting, but for me is now waste of almost 3700$ +speedboosters and lenses. This is reason why i am here and looking for answer.

1. I have no idea about Sony Alphas and BMMCC since I have BMPCC. And I have experimented with low-light shots.

I was able to obtain satisfactory results when the histogram was in first 2/5 of the full scale and good results when I open the aperture 1 stop. It was needed to apply a PAIR of brightness control plugins and a noise suppress plugin to achieve it. Also when I use a Fujinon C6x17.5 f/1.8 lens fully open and 360 degrees shutter in my room with lights off I actually see better through the viewfinder than directly. In the same conditions my previous quite expensive prosumer camera (which was used for some quite spectacular night shots) at ISO 1600 0.5 sec f/2.7 sees only noise and dark spots.

2. To spend US$3700 - I feel it's just quite difficult to do My last buy - Fujinon C6x17.5 was 27.77 GB Pounds +p&p - needed some repair but seems to be my best lens in the class in terms of sharpness.

If he has a Micro Studio 4K camera, it will need even more light! The Pocket and Micro Cinema can do some nice things is "low" light, but still need some light. It sounds like OP is talking about very dimly light clubs/Bars, which would be a challenge for any camera not designed for low light shooting.

With the Micro,Cinema this is very true, but me thinks after re-reading the OP comments, he has a Micro Studio camera, with the 4K sensor, so it is a native ISO 400 camera, with "gain" settings, rather than ISO.
So 0 = 400, then each +6dB gain setting adding 400 to the base ISO, so +6dB = ISO 800, +12 = 1200 etc., with +6 being very useable, but noise becomes apparent at +12 or above, but still more useable than a GoPro at a similar setting.

As CaptainHook pointed out only the Studio cameras use "gain" settings, the Cinema cameras use ISO, including the Micro Cinema. The OP is complaining his Micro camera has no ISO setting, and a poor image in low light.

So I return to my original comment, OP has the Wrong camera for his very low light shooting situation, the Micro Cinema would be better, per previous comments on pushing the image more in post, but a camera designed for low light would be better yet.
Cheers

I didn't catch that like I should have when I replied. I just saw Micro Cinema Camera and no ISO.

Struck out at the plate chasing a ball low and away. I'm never gonna get to the big leagues at this rate!


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I didn't either first time round Rick, until CaptHook posted his comment, then it clicked; the OP is either mixed up about gain vs ISO or he has got the two Micro cameras mixed up in his header. Either way, it is confusing.
Cheers

The problem/s with shooting in clubs is almost always the person behind the mixing desk.
That's where the lightning is usually [out of] controlled from. Not what camera we're using.

A higher sensitivity camera like the one's Sony are making will help when there's simply not enough light,
BUT that still leaves a whole host of other problems caused by the frequently terrible lighting.
Those other problems include over-saturated coloured LED lights, unmanageable contrast ratios, inconsistent brightness across the stage, et cetera et cetera ......
All the problems that are to be expected when the lighting person sets the lighting to Random,
or "Press This Button For Instant Disco" mode.

No matter what camera we're using; even if we're shooting stills in 14bit RAW @ISO 25,600, we need the cooperation of the lightning person if we're to have any chance of getting useable footage.
There's no way around it.

My Nikon D500 can shoot clean video at above 25,600 ISO
Also my experience with the BM 4k pocket camera is about twice the low light capable of the micro.