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iPad as an external monitor?

PostWed Apr 10, 2013 5:36 pm

possible?
would be an amazing solution
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Re: iPad as an external monitor?

PostWed Apr 10, 2013 6:57 pm

It would, but it is impossible. There is no way to feed a video signal to the iPad. There isn't any other tablet with video in either. Been looking into this a few times, but it just doesn't exist, tablets only do video out, they just miss the hardware to process video inputs.
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Re: iPad as an external monitor?

PostWed Apr 10, 2013 7:11 pm

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Re: iPad as an external monitor?

PostWed Apr 10, 2013 7:52 pm

Interesting:

Several types of cameras have the ability to be controlled remotely via the new iPad. If you are shooting with a Canon HDSLR or the C300, you can use the app Camera Remote HD, by onOne Software, to both see a video preview (at a much reduced frame rate) and control settings such as iris, frame rate, focus, ISO, aperture, white balance and of course, to start and stop recording. You can connect the new iPad to the camera via the camera’s USB cable and the USB port on the iPad Camera connection kit. Or, if your Canon HDSLR supports Wi-Fi you can do it wirelessly; the C300 can be controlled this way with the WFT-E6A Wireless Transmitter.


http://www.bhphotovideo.com/indepth/video/tips-solutions/10-ways-new-ipad-can-help-professional-filmmakers
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Re: iPad as an external monitor?

PostWed Apr 10, 2013 8:59 pm

Sean wrote:http://www.bhphotovideo.com/indepth/video/tips-solutions/10-ways-new-ipad-can-help-professional-filmmakers


Thanks, Sean! This will come in handy. Liked the soft box idea to use as a fill light in close.

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Re: iPad as an external monitor?

PostWed Apr 10, 2013 10:39 pm

Has anyone tried this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 0V10H35673

could be a cheap alternative for a director/client monitor

EDIT: video review
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PostThu Apr 11, 2013 12:05 am

The iPad would be a perfect monitoring solution. Unfortunately It just simply will not work.

I find It kind of ridiculous some of these monitor manufactures charge so much for such low resolution displays.

800 x480 for like $500+ ? really? I get that it comes with all the bells and whistles professionals might need. Peaking, levels, SDI, etc..

I just don't understand why a company out there cannot just simply package a High-Res Retina display into a simple shell with a battery and a hmdi input. I just need a larger screen to view what I'm seeing in more detail...

You can buy an used /new iPad 3 for 400$, and for that you get way more than a monitor. You get something with a WiFi module, Bluetooth and ARM processor, 5 MP camera ( 1080p ), a small profile light body, on-board storage and a 2048x1536 10" display, a built in battery that lasts a good 10+ hours ( without wireless usage ), etc...Some of these a useless as a monitor..but its all included for only 400$!
find me a monitor that will beat that display of an iPad 3 for that price....

No one can argue that the display on the iPad 3 is lacking. Its not 100% accurate display but I believe most will agree its a pretty darn good display...( for my needs its perfect. )

Hope someone out there will hear the call for something like this. It has the potential, and its definitely possible.

Otherwise I have looked into the idea of buying a cheap used macbook air 11/13" and using the thunderbolt as a display interface. That way I don't feel so ripped off by the fact that I payed 500+$ for just a bulky, blocky monitor. ( the air's portability and built in battery is a huge plus, and it also has a quite bright and color rich display. Also.....its a computer....)

Then again peoples needs are different. What I mentioned above would be what I need.

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Re: iPad as an external monitor?

PostThu Apr 11, 2013 2:07 am

georgp wrote:Has anyone tried this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 0V10H35673

could be a cheap alternative for a director/client monitor

EDIT: video review


I would seriously avoid any non-IPS panels like the one above. Their limited angle of view, makes them really hard for more than one person to see a decent even picture. In my opinion, IPS panels are the only way to go (for portable monitoring) OLED panels are beautiful at first, but I have read that they will change color drastically over a relatively short amount of time of one to two years. I just bought the Ikan D7 monitor which has a 7" 1280X800 IPS panel and the picture is sharp and beautiful driven by the SDI out of the BMCC. Saturation and contrast can be adjusted so that the flat film look out of the camera can be given a more "normal" appearance.
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Re: iPad as an external monitor?

PostWed Jul 31, 2013 2:40 am

This would be a great solution, I am getting tired of having so many 7-10" portable touch displays around which cannot be used for at least a low res video preview. I was recently looking at the black magic and canon 6d for stock video production, until today the 6d was winning primarly due to its wifi control option. However, it turns out that the 6d only supports taking photos over wifi, not video.

http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index. ... ic=11314.0

So now they are on a fairly equal palying field, as the black magic has superior video quality and a time-lapse feature, however, the 6d has better dynamic range for stills and the option to do timelapse through magic lantern or even an external controller like Promote, I am still only just leaning toward the 6d because you can do HDR time-lapses again using magic lantern. But the 6d isn't quite able to shoot 1080p in raw mode, which is a bit frustrating. So for now I will stick to my 7d, although it isn't as good as both of the above cameras, I can still use my 7" google nexus tablet as a remote display via USB for video. I hope they begin to move down GoPro's full wireless control mobile app, complete control of video and photos.
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Re: iPad as an external monitor?

PostWed Jul 31, 2013 7:07 am

I have seen some stuff that took sdi and converted it to wifi etc to feed in to iPad.
But it was not cheap but worked.

One could hand out many of the ipads on the same base station so to say.

Probably out of indy productions budget.
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Re: iPad as an external monitor?

PostWed Jul 31, 2013 7:58 am

Margus Voll wrote:I have seen some stuff that took sdi and converted it to wifi etc to feed in to iPad.
But it was not cheap but worked.

One could hand out many of the ipads on the same base station so to say.

Probably out of indy productions budget.


Do you have a link or a name? Thanks
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PostWed Jul 31, 2013 8:05 am

I would have to dig the web again.

Sorry no link now.
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Re: iPad as an external monitor?

PostWed Jul 31, 2013 9:08 am

There's one device that Teradek is making. It is called "the clip". Aperantly it should be able to do the same thing Cube does but much smaller and for cheaper.
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Re: iPad as an external monitor?

PostWed Jul 31, 2013 9:13 am

Yeah this is the one i was talking of:

http://blog.planet5d.com/1xl

1990 usd.
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Re: iPad as an external monitor?

PostWed Jul 31, 2013 5:44 pm

I use a Teradek Cube 150 for a client monitor on set. It sends directly to the iPad, laptop or iPhone. It has a tiny bit of a lag, so I wouldn't recommend using it for the camera operator though - but the iPad screen is pretty damn big for a camera operation, it would get in the way all the time.

And if you look on eBay, you can get used ones at a pretty reasonable price.
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Re: iPad as an external monitor?

PostWed Jul 31, 2013 10:29 pm

Hi guys!

Here are a few links from my website (Hand Held Hollywood) that discuss some field monitor solutions (spoiler alert: these solutions are very useful, but far from perfect):

The Cube turns your iPad into a field monitor:
http://www.handheldhollywood.com/latest-news/cube-update-your-ipad-is-finally-a-remote-video-monitor.html

CamRanger turns your iPad into a field monitor for DSLR shooting:
http://www.handheldhollywood.com/latest ... nitor.html

A sunshade for iPad when using it as a field monitor:
http://www.handheldhollywood.com/latest ... -ipad.html

And just for kicks...

Setting up a field monitor when shooting ON an iPhone or iPad:
http://www.handheldhollywood.com/latest-news/setting-up-a-field-monitor-when-shooting-on-an-iphone.html

On an unrelated side note: I can't wait to get my BMPC (along with everyone else)!

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Re: iPad as an external monitor?

PostWed Jul 31, 2013 10:52 pm

Csaba Nagy wrote:but its all included for only 400$!
find me a monitor that will beat that display of an iPad 3 for that price....


Find me a company that will sell as many displays to filmmakers as Apple will sell iPads (so that they can order/build as many parts in bulk for huge discounts, and have the production facilities/relationships apple do, etc etc). ;)
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Re: iPad as an external monitor?

PostWed Jul 31, 2013 11:41 pm

CaptainHook wrote:
Csaba Nagy wrote:but its all included for only 400$!
find me a monitor that will beat that display of an iPad 3 for that price....


Find me a company that will sell as many displays to filmmakers as Apple will sell iPads (so that they can order/build as many parts in bulk for huge discounts, and have the production facilities/relationships apple do, etc etc). ;)


The Teredek Cube with WiFi is a great solution paired with the Teracentral app. Only concern is the price. What would BMD do if they bought Teradek? I think the price then would be considerably less and make it very attractive to use the iPad as a field or client monitor etc.

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Re: iPad as an external monitor?

PostWed Jul 31, 2013 11:42 pm

CaptainHook wrote:
Csaba Nagy wrote:but its all included for only 400$!
find me a monitor that will beat that display of an iPad 3 for that price....


Find me a company that will sell as many displays to filmmakers as Apple will sell iPads (so that they can order/build as many parts in bulk for huge discounts, and have the production facilities/relationships apple do, etc etc). ;)


I didn't say Apple had to be involved. :)

This guys development has huge potential once he can reach an HDMI/SDI interface. ( which he is close to, based on our conversation over the web. )

http://dp2retina.rozsnyo.com/

The price of the raw parts less than 150$ to use a 2048x1536 Display. The real issue is coming up with some software to run on the monitor for features like: histograms, focus pekaing, audio levels, digtal zoom, LUT's, etc... Also a case to wrap it all up in. :D
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Re: iPad as an external monitor?

PostThu Aug 01, 2013 12:41 am

Oh i thought you were asking for entirely new display etc that rivalled the iPad3 in cost/function.

An interface to the existing iPad would be great, but then we need the supporting apps/software as you say.
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Re: iPad as an external monitor?

PostFri Aug 02, 2013 9:41 am

Ok yeah that is a very cool piece of tech:

http://www.teradek.com/products/cube_155

Unfortunately it isn't quite for me, although I have been trying to rationalize it, however, in the end I don't need a HD display to see if the shot is in focus or white balanced properly, a low res preview is fine. I do however need a remote control interface for the next camera I buy, even if I have to connect a tablet via USB and use apps like:

http://dslrcontroller.com/about.php

I am in countless situations where the camera is down very low on a slider, where I can't quite see the LCD to check the shot and change settings, a USB tablet monitor like the Nexus 7 has worked well on cannon DSLRs, allowing me to adjust settings within cable distance, I just thought in the era of wifi there would be a full frame or super 35 camera which would allow wireless control of video mode. No doubt there will be something soon. I think I will just hang out till there is.
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Re: iPad as an external monitor?

PostFri Aug 02, 2013 3:31 pm

There is also the possibility of using a MacBook Pro as a monitor. The resolution of the 13" Retina is 2560x1600, making it big enough to show the 2.5K resolution.

Unfortunately, the software isn't there. Ultrascope doesn't work at full resolution and doesn't allow full-screen viewing of just one of the panels either. Media Express is faster, but (maddeningly!) doesn't allow you to hide the other parts of the interface than the viewer and doesn't show 1080p, let alone full screen. If you could just take the live viewer from Media Express and send it full screen, we'd have a full resolution live monitor via Thunderbolt.

So close!
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Re: iPad as an external monitor?

PostWed Aug 07, 2013 2:24 am

Cool, looks like Camranger does everything I need. Remote preview and control of video and photography through apple and android devices on canon DSLRs.

http://www.camranger.com/

Hopefully blackmagic will follow suite and defy all odds and offer a complete remote control and preview interface as apart of their camera's in the future. I understand why they might not, as their camera is also used for broardcast, where latency is a big problem and wifi is riddled with latency problems. But for the prosumer, 3seconds of latency doesn't really matter (like the gopro). If in broadcast, the thirdparty remote preview options like the ones above can be used in addition to a wifi capable BlackMagic Cinema Camera. Imagine the possibilities.
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Re: iPad as an external monitor?

PostWed Aug 07, 2013 4:25 am

digiphd wrote:Cool, looks like Camranger does everything I need. Remote preview and control of video and photography through apple and android devices on canon DSLRs.

http://www.camranger.com/

Hopefully blackmagic will follow suite and defy all odds and offer a complete remote control and preview interface as apart of their camera's in the future. I understand why they might not, as their camera is also used for broardcast, where latency is a big problem and wifi is riddled with latency problems. But for the prosumer, 3seconds of latency doesn't really matter (like the gopro). If in broadcast, the thirdparty remote preview options like the ones above can be used in addition to a wifi capable BlackMagic Cinema Camera. Imagine the possibilities.


Teradek have the WiFi latency down to 1/4 second now and that must be acceptable I would think for almost all uses. Maybe BMD should buy Teradek since the products are very good, but the pricing seems higher than it could be. Still quality costs, I know.

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