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Re: Russian vintage lens

PostWed May 20, 2020 9:47 am

Thanks, for ur timely reply,I have both good tripod and head,I hope optically it's in par with its counterpart contax Zeiss lens!?
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Re: Russian vintage lens

PostWed May 20, 2020 12:18 pm

I would expect it to be just as good. But maybe it'll not focus as close, the 80-200 f4 Zeiss goes down to quite remarkable 3 feet.
What I don't like is the push-pull zoom for cine work.
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Re: Russian vintage lens

PostWed May 20, 2020 12:26 pm

Ok, that is a wonderful finding push and pull for zoom!, so there is no scope for introducing gear for remote FIZ , especially zooming,!
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Re: Russian vintage lens

PostWed May 20, 2020 1:23 pm

Yes, that's an advantage of the Leica zoom. And, BTW, just checked it: it's focusing about as close, around 1m.
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Re: Russian vintage lens

PostWed May 20, 2020 1:26 pm

Thanks, but how could it be an advantage by push and pull zooming!!!???
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Re: Russian vintage lens

PostWed May 20, 2020 1:46 pm

And how to shoot remotely by using remote lens gear like tilta nucleus when such situation demands?, please reply regards Ashok
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Re: Russian vintage lens

PostWed May 20, 2020 2:26 pm

Oh,u meant telescoping during zooming? It's because lacking of movement like international focusing, same thing happens to contax Zeiss zoom lens also, but in both Leica and Zeiss have separate zoom and focus rings,I just seen it!
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Re: Russian vintage lens

PostWed May 20, 2020 9:19 pm

You've misunderstood me: it's a disadvantage of the Zeiss zooms!
All of them have what is also called 'one-touch' zoom, which photographers like. It's unusable for filming. As you already wrote, you can't use gears for focus pulling or zooming.
That's why I own most of their primes, but only one zoom for photography, the 28-85mm. Very versatile, but I rarely use it for filming doc style. Optically, their zooms are excellent. The 100-300mm, for example, is better than many primes. But even the small 35-70mm is one-touch.

In short: you did the rigt thing when getting the Leica.

BTW, I like their 35-70mm, which I own in the form of a Minolta version (they made these for Leica). Excellent two-touch zoom, if you need something wider than your 80-200mm.
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Re: Russian vintage lens

PostThu May 21, 2020 3:10 am

Thanks, but I can't understand the concept of one touch zoom!? where to touch? Then what for two broad rings over the barbell? And which one is the focus ring over the lens? please let me know, regards ashok
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Re: Russian vintage lens

PostThu May 21, 2020 3:30 am

A one-touch zoom is also called push-pull since you have one ring to turn for focus and to slide back and forth for zoom. Not really usable for filming, other than run-n-gun situations.
Please have a look at the pictures of your future Leica lens and compare with these:

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Zeiss C/Y 28-85mm
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And this is two-touch (actually three with aperture):

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Angenieux 20-80mm f2.5 (S-16)
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Re: Russian vintage lens

PostThu May 21, 2020 3:44 am

I love my C/Y 35-70 for run and gun, but I don't zoom with it and I don't love push pull....but it's a good range for me and has great IQ...
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Re: Russian vintage lens

PostThu May 21, 2020 3:50 am

I had a very long, close look at the C/Y 35-70 vs the Minolta and found them so close in IQ that I went for the Minolta. But you can't fit that on EF, only on shorter mounts.
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Re: Russian vintage lens

PostThu May 21, 2020 12:19 pm

Thanks,Letis70-210 mm f/4 3 cam also has the same performance and disadvantage of Leica 80-200 mm f/4 ? regards ashok
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Re: Russian vintage lens

PostThu May 21, 2020 1:28 pm

Are you referring to this one: Leitz Leica R Vario Elmar R 80-200mm f/4,5?
That's push-pull (aka one-touch) too.

Try to get this one: Leica 80-200 mm F/4.0. I was under the impression you are going for it, or not?

This is two touch.

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Re: Russian vintage lens

PostThu May 21, 2020 1:44 pm

Thanks,I got a offer for Leica 80-200 F/4 ,3 cam with later series 3999..., Excellent plus, lens fo 777 USD, hope this is a nice price? regards ashok
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Re: Russian vintage lens

PostThu May 21, 2020 4:13 pm

Sounds good.
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Re: Russian vintage lens

PostFri May 22, 2020 1:10 am

Uli Plank wrote:I had a very long, close look at the C/Y 35-70 vs the Minolta and found them so close in IQ that I went for the Minolta. But you can't fit that on EF, only on shorter mounts.


Yeah, I got everything put in EF. Hoping Duclos reopens soon so I can send him my C/Y 100mm. Trying to decide if I need anything longer. My experience with the 35-70 kept me from getting longer zooms though.
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Re: Russian vintage lens

PostFri May 22, 2020 3:55 am

Do you have the 100mm f3.5 or the f2? The f2 is such a dream!
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Re: Russian vintage lens

PostFri May 22, 2020 4:32 am

No,u meant Leica or contax Zeiss?
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Re: Russian vintage lens

PostFri May 22, 2020 6:42 am

My question about the 100mm was aimed at Chris.

To be clear about zooms: All zooms from the Zeiss Contax/Yashica line are push-pull designs and as such not usable in cinematography whenever you'd need to attach gear for pulling focus or zoom.

Leica R zooms are mixed, you can find both push-pull and two touch designs, as I already wrote.
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Re: Russian vintage lens

PostFri May 22, 2020 9:49 am

Thanks for new information, regards ashok
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Re: Russian vintage lens

PostFri May 22, 2020 4:09 pm

Do you know when the 37xxxxx and 39xxxxx series of Leica R 80-200 mm f/4 Len's start making?
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Re: Russian vintage lens

PostFri May 22, 2020 7:49 pm

Uli Plank wrote:Do you have the 100mm f3.5 or the f2? The f2 is such a dream!


The f2. I got it right after all the covid commotion hit and Duclos closed right when I got the lens. Hopefully, I'll be able to send it in soon for EF mount conversion and cine-mod. I'm on the fence about whether to get the 135 or the 180 next. I'm hoping to get out in June so I can start gathering some footage and see how much stretch I need and also what stability is like when you start getting that long on a crop sensor.
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Re: Russian vintage lens

PostSat May 23, 2020 11:10 am

Also ULI plank, A seller from Austria ask 1499 Euro for a like new , unused, mint condition A, boxed, with serial number 3994xxx , latest series for the Leica R80-200 f/4 ROM, lens,is it worth? And for the same condition with serial number 37xxxxx for 1099 euro, please give me ur expert opinion, regards ashok
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Re: Russian vintage lens

PostSat May 23, 2020 11:23 am

One aspect of buying Leitz lenses is that you are not dealing with 'users' but 'collectors' so prices the best examples can be ridiculous. There are plenty or resources out there that deal with Leitz so I suggest that's a better place to ask such questions. If it were me I'd buy a good example of a Canon EF 70-200 F2.8 MK2 but it's your money.....
Which is what I said, and even though this is what I was talking about, there is not too much comparison between your actions at the moment compared to some not around here.
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Re: Russian vintage lens

PostSat May 23, 2020 1:14 pm

Second that. Only you can answer that: Do you want to collect or shoot films?
All my Zeiss C/Y lenses have some traces of use on the outside, but the glass is fine.
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Re: Russian vintage lens. Test fooage with Ursa Mini 4.6k

PostTue May 26, 2020 7:47 pm



Here's Some test footage I shoot with my Ursa mini 4.6k
Shot using cinema CDNG lossless.
Colour corrected and Graded within Davinci resolve.

A small amount of 35mm film Grain added on the final node... Vintage Russian Lenses used:
37mm. MIR 1B f2.8.
58mm. Helios 44. f2.
20mm. MIR f3.5.

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Re: Russian vintage lens

PostWed May 27, 2020 3:56 am

Excellent results Doris,all shots were handheld or done with glimbal? Ashok
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Re: Russian vintage lens

PostWed May 27, 2020 6:49 am

I'd suppose tripod.
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Re: Russian vintage lens

PostWed May 27, 2020 7:41 am

Asok Kumar wrote:Excellent results Doris,all shots were handheld or done with glimbal? Ashok


Tripod, Apart from the Car Internal two shot, that was handheld, As you can see there is movement in the camera, I used Davinci Resolve stabilisation, but still there is noticeable camera movement, there was zero space in the back of the small vintage car to set up a tripod, I was very happy with the Lenses, They performed beautifully and I was happy with the log footage. There are tons of detail in the highlights but overall not super sharp, Obviously this was a External day scene so light wasn't a issue, For fill I did use one LED 500w.
Although these lenses are not fast, For day light scenes they perform very well.
I am only a beginner colourist so my grading isn't perfect. Thanks for checking out the test footage.

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Re: Russian vintage lens

PostWed May 27, 2020 8:18 am

Keep it up , regards ashok
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Re: Russian vintage lens

PostThu May 28, 2020 10:04 pm

Hey, are we talking about Russian lenses over here? Weeeee.... :D

I JUST received modded lenses by Iron Glass (MIR, Helios and Jupiter-9 lenses in various focal lengths), a new, Ukraine company. These have been disassembled, cleaned up, declicked the aperture, added an anamorphic aperture (I opted for a non-flare version, I dislike anamorphic flares but I love the stretched bokeh), assembled again, put a permanent EF mount on them, beautifully smooth aperture and focus gears, and universal hood that accepts 77mm filters. They come in a very nice case, as you can see there. Price: about $2k for all that work (it took them over a week to finish the manual work).

I haven't shot anything with them yet, since they just arrived, half an hour ago. Very excited for some anamorphic-looking footage soon (note: you only get the anamorphic bokeh if you shoot wide open, where the lens is rather soft -- filmic-enough for my taste though).

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Re: Russian vintage lens

PostFri May 29, 2020 12:28 pm

[quote="Eugenia Loli"]Hey, are we talking about Russian lenses over here? Weeeee.... :D

I JUST received modded lenses by Iron Glass (MIR, Helios and Jupiter-9 lenses in various focal lengths), a new, Ukraine company. These have been disassembled, cleaned up, declicked the aperture, added an anamorphic aperture (I opted for a non-flare version, I dislike anamorphic flares but I love the stretched bokeh), assembled again, put a permanent EF mount on them, beautifully smooth aperture and focus gears, and universal hood that accepts 77mm filters. They come in a very nice case, as you can see there. Price: about $2k for all that work (it took them over a week to finish the manual work).

I haven't shot anything with them yet, since they just arrived, half an hour ago. Very excited for some anamorphic-looking footage soon (note: you only get the anamorphic bokeh if you shoot wide open, where the lens is rather soft -- filmic-enough for my taste though)

You wont be disappointed, I bought mine a few.years ago. I only had one issue with one of the lens in 3 years.
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Re: Russian vintage lens

PostFri May 29, 2020 5:16 pm

Unfortunately, there were problems with 2 of the lenses, after testing. I will write a review for them soon.
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Re: Russian vintage lens

PostFri May 29, 2020 7:18 pm

Eugenia Loli wrote:Unfortunately, there were problems with 2 of the lenses, after testing. I will write a review for them soon.



Sorry to hear that. Not great advertising for Iron Glass Lenses.
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Re: Russian vintage lens

PostSun May 31, 2020 12:05 am

I've been eyeing those lenses. Definitely not the set, but a couple. Let us know how it goes!
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