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Hey guys. I was ready to put in my order today when i had need MFT hmmm whats all this about now this is more or the camera that bloom was talking about http://philipbloom.net/2012/09/05/bmd/

now im not sure what to do i dont have that much canon glass so its not a huge loss in that department. what are the main benefits of micro four thirds

I hear you.

Myself, I can see advantages & disadvantage to each BMCC mount option. I can't afford to own both (yet).

The m43 version is better for my clients who want to rent PL lenses, or less often, manual m43 lenses. I get that.

The EF mount is in some ways more versatile because it's an all-in-one solution for EF-compatible electronic lenses (I was probably going to buy a Tokina 11-16mm), and can also use my inexpensively adapted old Nikkor manual lenses.

None of my electronic m43 (Lumix) lenses will work at all on either version.

If BMD had offered an electronic m43 mount, it would have made my choice much easier, because I could use both my Nikkor & Lumix lenses, plus rented PL.

Sigh. I hate it that, this time, it's me who's reinterpreting a kick *ss BMCC feature as a "limitation". Oh, the irony.
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Its looking like if you need those wide really wide shots then ef is not the go to guy for that job. but you can pick up ef lenes any where if need be... hmm

Whats a good MFT zoom anyway... anyone

Peter J. DeCrescenzo wrote:None of my electronic m43 (Lumix) lenses will work at all.

Peter, are the Lumix lenses you have ciné lenses or still lenses? Perhaps it is an opportune time to consider the benefits of true manual aperture/focus ciné lenses and then you won't miss using your automatic still lenses. That's what I'm thinking if doing and leaving my Canon still zooms behind if I go with ciné lenses on the BMCC MFT.

I've been weighing the options too... and unfortunately right now, I don't use a lot (or any) PL glass. Maybe down the road hopefully! So I'm sticking with my original pre order.

I think it's awesome that BM has responded so quickly to their (soon to be users). Give me hope for some awesome firmware updates...

I think I kinda would've preferred 48 (or even better 60) fps!!!!

Why not make a removable mount as RED?

Aleksandr_Oleynik wrote:Why not make a removable mount as RED?

what Aleksandr said the fact that their going through the motions of supplying both but not a removable mount is kinda silly at this point agreed. still pumped for the new options tho!

rick.lang wrote:

Peter J. DeCrescenzo wrote:None of my electronic m43 (Lumix) lenses will work at all.

Peter, are the Lumix lenses you have ciné lenses or still lenses? Perhaps it is an opportune time to consider the benefits of true manual aperture/focus ciné lenses and then you won't miss using your automatic still lenses. That's what I'm thinking if doing and leaving my Canon still zooms behind if I go with ciné lenses on the BMCC MFT.

Hi Rick: Lumix (Panasonic) m43 lenses are not cine lenses, they're digital still camera lenses:
http://panasonic.net/avc/lumix/systemca ... index.html
http://panasonic.jp/support/global/cs/d ... t/gh2.html

Although not ideal for cine applications, I already own my electronic Lumix m43 lenses, and they've proven surprisingly useful for GH2-based video production work despite their relatively low cost.

My old Nikkor F SLR primes lenses are adequate for many productions, but generally speaking they are best suited for productions with lower budgets. I currently use them on my GH2 via a m43 mount adapter.

I'm well aware of the benefits of manual cine lenses (and of other nice lenses such as Voightlander primes, etc.). However, I don't own any, and many of my current clients don't have budget for them.

I totally understand that the new passive m43 mount version of the BMCC is great, fantastic news for many shooters and productions, but it doesn't address my immediate & near term needs. If it had been a electronic m43 mount, my choice would be clearer.

So, this is only an issue for me and people in a similar situation, but not for all BMCC users. Cheers.

Max M. wrote:

Aleksandr_Oleynik wrote:Why not make a removable mount as RED?

what Aleksandr said the fact that their going through the motions of supplying both but not a removable mount is kinda silly at this point agreed. still pumped for the new options tho!

You mean the mount that RED sell for 2k ?

jb

I think it's amazing BMD is offering an MFT mount so quickly! Just shows they are listening to us (Hello Canon, Sony, Panny?) I have a collection of EF lenses that will work just fine with my pre-ordered EF mount Camera.. if anything I'll pick up a a Sigma or Tokina ultra-wide just for the wide FOV.. I'm more interested in the firmware updates for live audio meters on the LCD while shooting, and Formatting and deleting SSD in camera.. everything else is gravy to me!

John Brawley wrote:

Max M. wrote:

Aleksandr_Oleynik wrote:Why not make a removable mount as RED?

what Aleksandr said the fact that their going through the motions of supplying both but not a removable mount is kinda silly at this point agreed. still pumped for the new options tho!

You mean the mount that RED sell for 2k ?

jb

Exactly, the mounts are almost as expensive as the BMCC. Buy 2 cameras instead. Fixed mounts are a good way to go on theese cameras, cheaper and safer as a lot of the buyers don´t know the importance of a correct flange focal distance.

Hans Engstrom
1st AC

I tweeted to hot rod cameras and Illya Friedman told me, that IF he could order the parts, and IF it is possible to replace the mount he would sell it to me, and instruct me how to make the swap. So I'm hoping that is an avenue I can use since I pre-payed for my camera back in April and have a high spot on the list for the EF mount!

I just wish this MFT mount would come out at the same time as the EF mount. If it were available at the same time, I'd most likely go for the MFT, but I need to get a camera soon, so I don't have much choice but to go with the EF...

Can BM offer some sort of trade in deal for people who have to go with the EF because it's available sooner?

Can someone please advise me what the best option will be for me.

I like the idea of the voigtlander 25mm f0.95 but was also contemplating investing in either Zeiss Zf.2's or the new Samyang Ciné lenses.

What are the pro's and cons and what do you think would be the best option?

What about using an electronic EF to M43 adapter?

Something like: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/6 ... Mount.html

To me, this sounds like it actually opens up more possibility, since it will allow for easy manual control of aperture, and enable IS on EF mount lenses. Not to mention that both sets of lenses will fit.

joshmsmith wrote:What about using an electronic EF to M43 adapter?

Something like: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/6 ... Mount.html

To me, this sounds like it actually opens up more possibility, since it will allow for easy manual control of aperture, and enable IS on EF mount lenses. Not to mention that both sets of lenses will fit.

I thought of this too, what is the issue with the slight increase of the lens>sensor? It looks like to me that it sits in the EF lens mount perfectly, but I'm not sure, any one got some input on that?

Cheers

Marcel Beck wrote:

joshmsmith wrote:What about using an electronic EF to M43 adapter?

Something like: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/6 ... Mount.html

To me, this sounds like it actually opens up more possibility, since it will allow for easy manual control of aperture, and enable IS on EF mount lenses. Not to mention that both sets of lenses will fit.

I thought of this too, what is the issue with the slight increase of the lens>sensor? It looks like to me that it sits in the EF lens mount perfectly, but I'm not sure, any one got some input on that?

Cheers

From what it looks like in images, it looks like the sensor on the M43 model sits close to the mount than the EF version. In which case, the distance would be the same.

Can someone help me understand how the BMCC EF camera would be with a EF to MFT mount. Something like the RedRock LiveLens MFT Active Lens Mount. http://store.redrockmicro.com/livelensmft Would you gain the same benefit as the BMCC MFT camera? Really kind of confused at this time which way I should go.

DavidSimmons wrote:Can someone help me understand how the BMCC EF camera would be with a EF to MFT mount. Something like the RedRock LiveLens MFT Active Lens Mount. http://store.redrockmicro.com/livelensmft Would you gain the same benefit as the BMCC MFT camera? Really kind of confused at this time which way I should go.

I think that would be for the MFT wouldnt it?
Helps you control EF with adapter on an MFT.

I'm sure many people (like me) have doubt over what version,
and this is for the PASSIVE mft version.
There is a possibility the MFT version can be ACTIVE ?
MFT Panasonic lens are very good (like the 7-14), and the possibility to
use them can make decide for the Black Magic Cine Cam..

Jeggintonfilms wrote:Can someone please advise me what the best option will be for me.

I like the idea of the voigtlander 25mm f0.95 but was also contemplating investing in either Zeiss Zf.2's or the new Samyang Ciné lenses.

What are the pro's and cons and what do you think would be the best option?

Only you can decide what is more suitable to your needs and your budget. You can read everything you can find including various detailed reviews and if possible see sample images. I'm leaning toward the Rokinon / Samyang ciné primes because they are fast and affordable ciné lenses. But it takes time to assemble all the primes you'll need as some are not available yet or even formally announced with a scheduled release date. So you may have to mix and match to fill in the focal lengths you want.

Interestingly many people here are happily planning on using stills lenses so that's an option. I don't expect the Rokinon to match the image quality of the Zeiss but when funds are limited I'm trying to select the best I can afford.

The Voitländers are interesting because they are so fast. But they have their drawbacks as overall sharpness will suffer wide open and in practice how often will you need the speed of f/0.95? If you plan to work in low light, available light, then you may need the speed. But if you're working with artificial light to illuminate your scene, you're not going to need that speed except for artistic reasons. A tempting lens though.

Hi all,

Thought to email here and seek some light as to what direction to follow in regard the mount on BMCC!

I d like to invest in lenses and make use the forthcoming software updates but its a big debate on longevity/use with PL. If I get the EF mount I ll be able to attach Canon and also with small adapters other similar glass, MFT feels would benefit the long run with PL and faster for the money lenses.

My debate is MFT or get glass that eventually will attach on another -probably forthcoming- 35mm sensor?

This would be my very first camera kit,

Many thanks

I know most people want to use PL mount lenses because of widely available cine lenses. But just a thought, you can get high end cine lenses with an EF mount.

Canon and Schneider recently came out with their cine primes and zooms for EF mount, Zeiss has the CP2's and Duclos lenses and other companies to cine mods to still lenses so you do have options if you want cine-like functions on a photo lens. I've used the CP2's and those are pretty good.

As mentioned in a previous post, Bower/Samyang/Rokinon make super affordable cine lenses that perform well.