Re: BMCC Killer?
Posted: Tue May 21, 2013 8:07 pm
Margus Voll wrote:BM used to give 3 i remember.
yes.. i have seen the give 3 "limited" on some products
but as you can read by yourself they give 12 months "limited" to BMCC
Margus Voll wrote:BM used to give 3 i remember.
T_mrdr wrote:... the global sensor is just so nice looking ...
Stuart Dye wrote: If ML can make some other codec something a bit less DATA hungry than RAW like a crispy clean Motion J-peg or Motion TIFF's...? I always look at my Jpegs from the 7D and think 'if only this was the video quality...'
Stuart Dye wrote:I do like the BMCC 2.5k but BMD's customer service and just getting their new products out there
is awful. They could at least get a tech guy to shoot some footage from the BMPCC and the BMCC 4k and have that footage for download...but NO.
João Gomes wrote:Margus Voll wrote:so what, with taxes you get the same price ?
so it is doable if one would like to handle it.
No i don´t get the same price because if buy locally trough my company i will get my VAT returned in the end of the year. If i buy from outside the EU i´ll pay more import taxes and the return won´t be as high.
Trust me i did the math...
I´m also waiting for the mythical MFT mount so i can use faster wides or Speed Booster to counteract the smaller sensor.
John Brawley wrote:There's no point to shooting lots of "demo" footage with a camera firmware that isn't finished. Then you'll just waste a lot of time explaining engineering faults that won't be there in the final shipping camera. As it is there were lots of endless discussions about dead pixels the first time around on the very first demo footage from the BMCC even though it was explained that they wouldn't be there on shipping cameras.
jb
Fulgencio Martínez wrote:
So.. Why does it make sense to shoot demo footage from pocket camera, but it does not make sense to shoot footage from Production 4k camera??
It is should shipping in 1 month and 9 days.. I think it does make sense to see something.. especially when BM is encouraging people to pre-order.
Stuart Dye wrote:
Ahh so there was footage for the BMCC...I guess its another waiting game for the Pocket Camera's un treated footage for download
Thanks again for the info John.
John Brawley wrote:Fulgencio Martínez wrote:
So.. Why does it make sense to shoot demo footage from pocket camera, but it does not make sense to shoot footage from Production 4k camera??
It is should shipping in 1 month and 9 days.. I think it does make sense to see something.. especially when BM is encouraging people to pre-order.
The pocket is the same sensor family as the BMCC. This means it has a much shorter development time as a lot of work has already been done.
The 4K is a new sensor so there's more work involved.
It's not like it's unusual for a camera company to be late with their cameras. Panasonic. Panavision. Sony. Red. Arri. They all do it. Plan for it.
JB.
ungovernedreason wrote:For at least saying something lol even "deal with it" is better then nothing I guess...
Fulgencio Martínez wrote:John Brawley wrote:
The pocket is the same sensor family as the BMCC. This means it has a much shorter development time as a lot of work has already been done.
The 4K is a new sensor so there's more work involved.
It's not like it's unusual for a camera company to be late with their cameras. Panasonic. Panavision. Sony. Red. Arri. They all do it. Plan for it.
JB.
"The pocket is the same sensor family as the BMCC."
Just yesterday morning my seller (Massdigital, an official one) told me the opposite. This says a lot about how much misinformed we are.. a how little info, even official sellers, have.
How can it happen that being the same sensor MFT BMCC are not distributed, but we should think that pocket ones will be for July?
Fulgencio Martínez wrote:"The 4K is a new sensor so there's more work involved."
Being a new sensor is the reason why we should see some footage.
That doesnt change the fact that many camera companies are late with products, or have supply issues. Just ebacause you once got a panasonic camera 5 days after distribution began without preorder doesnt mean every Panasonic product ever has hit its published deadlines. BMD are very bad at hiotting shipping deadlines, no-one is disputing this, but being late with products is by no means unusual in the idustry and of that list RED are notouriously bad.Fulgencio Martínez wrote:"It's not like it's unusual for a camera company to be late with their cameras. Panasonic. Panavision. Sony. Red. Arri. They all do it. Plan for it."
I got my panasonic 5 days after distribution began. I did not pre-order.. that is a fact.
Fulgencio Martínez wrote:"Buy this camera if you want it when it is shipping. You don't have to pre-order."
That is another fact.. distribution of MFT was said to start december 2012.
It is Grant Petty and their sellers who encourage people to pre-order.
According to his word.. we do have to pre-order!
mhood wrote:ungovernedreason wrote:For at least saying something lol even "deal with it" is better then nothing I guess...
To me, "deal with it" is nothing more than redundant...and maybe a bit arrogant.
ungovernedreason wrote:mhood wrote:ungovernedreason wrote:For at least saying something lol even "deal with it" is better then nothing I guess...
To me, "deal with it" is nothing more than redundant...and maybe a bit arrogant.
I agree...especially coming from those more financially better off...but what has Black Magic Development said lately? A big invisible middle finger...I guess it is a lesser of two evils...
Margus Voll wrote:For small production alexa in money sense seems a bit too much.
Margus Voll wrote:like i said earlier if you want to buy then it is possible so i do not share your unreal comment really.
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/8 ... amera.html
In Stock!
So where is the problem ?
Margus Voll wrote:Warranty is not an issue.
I specially checked with Christine.
You buy where ever you like and if service needed you send it to your local rep. or service.
MFT will not probably be available before all EF models are delivered that are in order.
Fulgencio Martínez wrote:Margus Voll wrote:Warranty is not an issue.
I specially checked with Christine.
You buy where ever you like and if service needed you send it to your local rep. or service.
MFT will not probably be available before all EF models are delivered that are in order.
If it is so go ahead.. but remember to have it written on a signed paper
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Margus Voll wrote:In eu there is EU law that regulates warranty.
Margus Voll wrote:every way law says. length etc.
Mac Jaeger wrote:In EU it's always the vendor who has to fulfill the warranty. It's his problem to deal with manufacturers all over the world, even if they offer "manufacturers warranty" as well. But that doesn't make it easier for customers... But of course that's only valid if you buy from a european store.
Mac Jaeger wrote:In EU it's always the vendor who has to fulfill the warranty. It's his problem to deal with manufacturers all over the world, even if they offer "manufacturers warranty" as well. But that doesn't make it easier for customers... But of course that's only valid if you buy from a european store.
rockroadpix wrote:Margus Voll wrote:every way law says. length etc.
I find a lot about length and the extended laws (2 yrs not 1) of warranty pertain to the seller, not the manufacturer. I find little that sounds different from warranty law that I have had to deal with in the US.