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Re: Warning about new Sandisk Extreme Pro 95 MB/s media

PostPosted: Mon Nov 25, 2019 8:30 pm
by Username
I wanted to report that I tried the other high performance card from Integral and I was able to record every option available. :)
I formatted the card as HFS+ in my BMMCC and set the codec/fps and recorded.
Filled the card without dropped frame.
Reformatted it again, changed the codec/fps and ran again.
Ones for each bitrate/framerate below. Not a single dropped frame.

30fps cDNG RAW
60fps ProRes 422HQ
60fps 3:1 cDNG RAW

Integral Ultima Pro 256GB.
Part Code: INSDX256G-100/90V30
EAN: 5055288441309
Price for the 256GB card at Amazon.co.uk is today listed at: £22.39
https://www.amazon.co.uk/512Gb-Ultra-HD ... B07FBB8K9N


The 256 GB card have the higher specifications:
Ultra-fast read / write, with up to 100 MB/s* read and 90 MB/s* write (256GB)

The 128 and 512GB are little lower speced at 100/80. I have NOT tried the 512GB card!


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Re: Warning about new Sandisk Extreme Pro 95 MB/s media

PostPosted: Sun Dec 01, 2019 10:22 pm
by Moooser
Another positive vote for the Integral Ultima Pro 256GB - I purchased one for my BMPCC and have recorded RAW 25fps with no problems.

The price is a big win - can afford to stock up on three or four of these without breaking the bank!

Re: Warning about new Sandisk Extreme Pro 95 MB/s media

PostPosted: Thu Dec 05, 2019 8:31 am
by John Sklba
Bought the Kingston Canvas React 256GB SDXC Class 10 SD Memory Card UHS-I 100MB/s R Flash Memory High Speed SD Card (SDR/256GB) based on the recommendations here. I'm getting dropped frames in pro res 422 at 1080 24fps at around the 10 minute mark. Anyone having a similar experience?

Re: Warning about new Sandisk Extreme Pro 95 MB/s media

PostPosted: Thu Dec 05, 2019 12:07 pm
by cristianpedrera
John Sklba wrote:Bought the Kingston Canvas React 256GB SDXC Class 10 SD Memory Card UHS-I 100MB/s R Flash Memory High Speed SD Card (SDR/256GB) based on the recommendations here. I'm getting dropped frames in pro res 422 at 1080 24fps at around the 10 minute mark. Anyone having a similar experience?
I have the same experience with 2 CanvasReact 128GB cards. I have returned them and today I should get an Integral Ultima Pro 256GB card that they also recommend here.
I wish it really works ... As soon as I arrive I will do the tests.

I wrote to Blackmagic and they responded with the link to the forum. I hope to find answers here!

Cheers

Re: Warning about new Sandisk Extreme Pro 95 MB/s media

PostPosted: Thu Dec 05, 2019 2:56 pm
by Frank Engel
John Sklba wrote:Bought the Kingston Canvas React 256GB SDXC Class 10 SD Memory Card UHS-I 100MB/s R Flash Memory High Speed SD Card (SDR/256GB) based on the recommendations here. I'm getting dropped frames in pro res 422 at 1080 24fps at around the 10 minute mark. Anyone having a similar experience?


There seem to be variations among the cameras; I have only tried the 128GB version of the Canvas React so far, and have had no issues with that one whatsoever; some have reported success with the 256GB card also, while you are not the first to report having issues with the 256GB card. There may be some manufacturing variations among the cards also - hard to be sure.

Re: Warning about new Sandisk Extreme Pro 95 MB/s media

PostPosted: Thu Dec 05, 2019 3:10 pm
by Username
Through out my testing I often noticed that formatting the card in camera with HFS+ file system worked better performance wise.

Re: Warning about new Sandisk Extreme Pro 95 MB/s media

PostPosted: Thu Dec 05, 2019 8:32 pm
by JustinBacle
I got the integra 128 Gb and it seems to work perfectly (tested quickly in Raw 25fps). I ordered 2 new ones since the first one seem to work !

Re: Warning about new Sandisk Extreme Pro 95 MB/s media

PostPosted: Thu Dec 05, 2019 10:14 pm
by John Sklba
Frank Engel wrote:
John Sklba wrote:Bought the Kingston Canvas React 256GB SDXC Class 10 SD Memory Card UHS-I 100MB/s R Flash Memory High Speed SD Card (SDR/256GB) based on the recommendations here. I'm getting dropped frames in pro res 422 at 1080 24fps at around the 10 minute mark. Anyone having a similar experience?


There seem to be variations among the cameras; I have only tried the 128GB version of the Canvas React so far, and have had no issues with that one whatsoever; some have reported success with the 256GB card also, while you are not the first to report having issues with the 256GB card. There may be some manufacturing variations among the cards also - hard to be sure.



It's weird. I came home to test the card, and it seemed to perform fine that time. Maybe just gotta keep in mind that 10 minute limit. Sigh. Why did my Sandisk have to break....

Re: Warning about new Sandisk Extreme Pro 95 MB/s media

PostPosted: Thu Dec 05, 2019 10:15 pm
by John Sklba
Username wrote:Through out my testing I often noticed that formatting the card in camera with HFS+ file system worked better performance wise.



Are you referring to the kingsport cards? I checked and mines in Exfat.

Re: Warning about new Sandisk Extreme Pro 95 MB/s media

PostPosted: Thu Dec 05, 2019 11:02 pm
by Username
John Sklba wrote:
Username wrote:Through out my testing I often noticed that formatting the card in camera with HFS+ file system worked better performance wise.


Are you referring to the kingsport cards? I checked and mines in Exfat.


Yes.
Give it a try.
I understand it might be less than optimal if you work on windows in post but do give it a try.

Re: Warning about new Sandisk Extreme Pro 95 MB/s media

PostPosted: Fri Dec 06, 2019 5:03 am
by John Sklba
Username wrote:
John Sklba wrote:
Username wrote:Through out my testing I often noticed that formatting the card in camera with HFS+ file system worked better performance wise.


Are you referring to the kingsport cards? I checked and mines in Exfat.


Yes.
Give it a try.
I understand it might be less than optimal if you work on windows in post but do give it a try.


Yeah, I'm trying to dump the card and it's not letting me access it. Any ideas for getting around this?

Re: Warning about new Sandisk Extreme Pro 95 MB/s media

PostPosted: Fri Dec 06, 2019 2:40 pm
by Frank Engel
John Sklba wrote:Yeah, I'm trying to dump the card and it's not letting me access it. Any ideas for getting around this?


If you are on Windows and formatted the card with HFS+ you will need a 3rd-party solution for accessing native Mac filesystems under Windows.


There are some examples listed here:

https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/4-ways-re ... e-windows/


Note that I have no experience with any of those. When I want to access a Mac filesystem, I just use a Mac.

Re: Warning about new Sandisk Extreme Pro 95 MB/s media

PostPosted: Fri Dec 06, 2019 4:13 pm
by cristianpedrera
cristianpedrera wrote:
John Sklba wrote:Bought the Kingston Canvas React 256GB SDXC Class 10 SD Memory Card UHS-I 100MB/s R Flash Memory High Speed SD Card (SDR/256GB) based on the recommendations here. I'm getting dropped frames in pro res 422 at 1080 24fps at around the 10 minute mark. Anyone having a similar experience?
I have the same experience with 2 CanvasReact 128GB cards. I have returned them and today I should get an Integral Ultima Pro 256GB card that they also recommend here.
I wish it really works ... As soon as I arrive I will do the tests.

I wrote to Blackmagic and they responded with the link to the forum. I hope to find answers here!

Cheers
I just tried an Integral Ultima Pro 256GB card in the BMPCC, in the BMMCC and in the Video Assist 5 "
The tests performed consist of placing the camera in front of the television (a lot of visual movement) and recording RAW at 30fps and 25fps

The results:

BMPCC:
-RAW 30fps (40 minutes of RAW, from here they start dropped frames. If I record again I can only make clips of several seconds, drop frames appear quickly)
-RAW 25fps (5 minutes of RAW, from here they start dropped frames. If I record again I can only make clips of several seconds, the dropped frames appear quickly)
I don't understand these results, 25fps are supposed to be less stressful ...

BMMCC:
-RAW 30fps (3 minutes of RAW, from here they start dropped frames. If I record again I can only make clips of several minutes but they appear dropped frames sooner or later)
-RAW 25fps (10 seconds of RAW, from here they start dropped frames. If I record again I can only make clips of several seconds and rarely of 1 or 2 minutes but they appear dropped frames sooner or later)
-RAW 3: 1 60fps (28 seconds of RAW 3: 1, from here start dropped frames. If I record again I can only make clips of several seconds, drop frames appear quickly)
-RAW 3: 1 50fps (32 minutes of RAW 3: 1, from here they start dropped frames. If I record again I can only make clips of several minutes, the dropped frames appear soon)

Video Assist 5 ":
-ProRes HQ 1080p 60fps (72 minutes of ProRes HQ with no apparent problems and no signal of dropped frames. The strange thing is that a clip of 64 minutes and another of 8 minutes have been made. It seems that they are continuous and there is no dropped frame between two clips, so I don't understand why 2 clips have been made)

A couple of weeks ago my 6 Sandisk Extreme Pro 95 / MB 128GB cards (V30 model) have stopped working properly. But until then I could record the cards completely in RAW 30fps.
I do not understand what may be happening, is it possible that it is the fault of the cameras? I don't know, are the groove contacts dirty or somewhat similar?
I have talked to Sandisk and they tell me that they change my cards, but I'm afraid to continue having the same problem, I can't find cards compatible with the cameras, and I need them to work ... Blackmagic just tells me to use SDXXP model cards (like You know it is not easy to get them and they are no longer manufactured) or that I look in this forum, but from what I see in this forum there are some cards that for some work correctly and for others not.

Re: Warning about new Sandisk Extreme Pro 95 MB/s media

PostPosted: Fri Dec 06, 2019 6:45 pm
by Frank Engel
cristianpedrera wrote:I don't understand these results, 25fps are supposed to be less stressful ...


I have seen this with several cards from different brands. One time it will go X minutes before dropping frames, then next time Y minutes, and it seems to be effectively random with no obvious rhyme or reason to it. Frame rate doesn't seem to have anything to do with this.

Re: Warning about new Sandisk Extreme Pro 95 MB/s media

PostPosted: Fri Dec 06, 2019 9:15 pm
by Username
That is really strange.

Download the CPDT
https://github.com/maxim-saplin/CrossPl ... t/releases

And run d a few tests and see if write speed for the card is stable or if something have happen to it and write speed drops in a certain interval or just fluctuate a lot.

Re: Warning about new Sandisk Extreme Pro 95 MB/s media

PostPosted: Wed Dec 11, 2019 12:34 pm
by Robert Niessner
cristianpedrera wrote:I have talked to Sandisk and they tell me that they change my cards, but I'm afraid to continue having the same problem, I can't find cards compatible with the cameras, and I need them to work ... Blackmagic just tells me to use SDXXP model cards (like You know it is not easy to get them and they are no longer manufactured) or that I look in this forum, but from what I see in this forum there are some cards that for some work correctly and for others not.


There are cards from Angelbird which will work flawlessly. I know that for sure because I have contacted Angelbird on behalf of this problem and their engineers had a look at the issue and made some of their cards compatible again to the BMPCC and Videoassist. People seem to ignore what I wrote or chicken out on the higher price and try all those low cost options - with the results you have found yourself.

So here again a perfectly working solution but for a higher price:
viewtopic.php?p=534750#p534750

Re: Warning about new Sandisk Extreme Pro 95 MB/s media

PostPosted: Wed Dec 11, 2019 1:07 pm
by Username
Robert Niessner wrote:There are cards from Angelbird which will work flawlessly. I know that for sure because I have contacted Angelbird on behalf of this problem and their engineers had a look at the issue and made some of their cards compatible again to the BMPCC and Videoassist. People seem to ignore what I wrote or chicken out on the higher price and try all those low cost options - with the results you have found yourself.

So here again a perfectly working solution but for a higher price:
viewtopic.php?p=534750#p534750


It's great that Angelbird seeped up and offers a patched card that works for us.
But priced at 900% of the Integral cards - it might be hard to swallow for some of us.

Re: Warning about new Sandisk Extreme Pro 95 MB/s media

PostPosted: Wed Dec 11, 2019 1:50 pm
by Frank Engel
Username wrote:Through out my testing I often noticed that formatting the card in camera with HFS+ file system worked better performance wise.


This is a good point too. I have only used HFS+ formatted cards; not sure how much of a difference that actually makes in practice but I wonder if some of the differing results could actually tie back to that?

Re: Warning about new Sandisk Extreme Pro 95 MB/s media

PostPosted: Wed Dec 11, 2019 2:48 pm
by Robert Niessner
Username wrote:
Robert Niessner wrote:There are cards from Angelbird which will work flawlessly. I know that for sure because I have contacted Angelbird on behalf of this problem and their engineers had a look at the issue and made some of their cards compatible again to the BMPCC and Videoassist. People seem to ignore what I wrote or chicken out on the higher price and try all those low cost options - with the results you have found yourself.

So here again a perfectly working solution but for a higher price:
viewtopic.php?p=534750#p534750


It's great that Angelbird seeped up and offers a patched card that works for us.
But priced at 900% of the Integral cards - it might be hard to swallow for some of us.


Well, ask yourself why that Integral is sold at that low price...
Their v60 and v90 are more in the price range of the Angelbird cards.

Re: Warning about new Sandisk Extreme Pro 95 MB/s media

PostPosted: Wed Dec 11, 2019 3:23 pm
by Username
Robert Niessner wrote:
Username wrote:
Robert Niessner wrote:There are cards from Angelbird which will work flawlessly. I know that for sure because I have contacted Angelbird on behalf of this problem and their engineers had a look at the issue and made some of their cards compatible again to the BMPCC and Videoassist. People seem to ignore what I wrote or chicken out on the higher price and try all those low cost options - with the results you have found yourself.

So here again a perfectly working solution but for a higher price:
viewtopic.php?p=534750#p534750


It's great that Angelbird seeped up and offers a patched card that works for us.
But priced at 900% of the Integral cards - it might be hard to swallow for some of us.


Well, ask yourself why that Integral is sold at that low price...
Their v60 and v90 are more in the price range of the Angelbird cards.


Do higher price really equals higher quality?
As we are searching for cards that works in the Pocket and Cinema, paying extra for unneeded (V60/V90) performance appears not be necessary when choosing Integral cards.

Integral stand by these cards and offers a 5 year warranty - while Angelbird only do 1 or 2 years. 3 years if you register the cards within 30 days.

Re: Warning about new Sandisk Extreme Pro 95 MB/s media

PostPosted: Wed Dec 11, 2019 10:28 pm
by Robert Niessner
Username wrote:Do higher price really equals higher quality?
As we are searching for cards that works in the Pocket and Cinema, paying extra for unneeded (V60/V90) performance appears not be necessary when choosing Integral cards.

Integral stand by these cards and offers a 5 year warranty - while Angelbird only do 1 or 2 years. 3 years if you register the cards within 30 days.


Look, we can discuss this around in circles and getting nowhere. Fact is I used some direct contacts I have to Angelbird, told them about the problem BMPCC users are facing, they put in some engineering work and made it happen so you can buy a compatible SD card for your old camera. You can honor that and buy the card from them which is guaranteed to work - or you can keep buying Integral cards which may or may not work. It is up to you. I am not affected anyway as I don't use that camera.
But I understand that for some users money is tight and they have to find cheaper alternatives. No hard feelings about that.

Re: Warning about new Sandisk Extreme Pro 95 MB/s media

PostPosted: Sat Dec 14, 2019 3:08 pm
by YOLKLAB
I agree with Robert, the angelbird cards (ordered directly from them) work flawlessly and the peace of mind alone is worth the price.

Re: Warning about new Sandisk Extreme Pro 95 MB/s media

PostPosted: Sun Dec 29, 2019 12:25 am
by gfagien
Ive been using the integral 256 card, but after 6 minutes of raw recording it starts to skip frames for me

Re: Warning about new Sandisk Extreme Pro 95 MB/s media

PostPosted: Tue Jan 14, 2020 5:45 am
by John Sklba
Bit the bullet and bought a San Disk 512 today. Here's hoping it's legit.

Had my Kingston give me crap today while doing 4k in my Panasonic G7. So much for that card being being useful.

Re: Warning about new Sandisk Extreme Pro 95 MB/s media

PostPosted: Tue Jan 14, 2020 12:38 pm
by Frank Engel
John Sklba wrote:Bit the bullet and bought a San Disk 512 today. Here's hoping it's legit.

Had my Kingston give me crap today while doing 4k in my Panasonic G7. So much for that card being being useful.


The G7 supports UHS II cards. I wouldn't bother with the UHS I cards for that camera if you are shooting video, particularly at 4K.

Re: Warning about new Sandisk Extreme Pro 95 MB/s media

PostPosted: Mon Jan 27, 2020 11:20 am
by Gabor Tomor
Robert Niessner wrote:There are cards from Angelbird which will work flawlessly.


After I've got my replacement from Angelbird (first card got dropped frames with cDNG 3:1 60P) I still started to get the same results. Dropped frames with 60p. So I let it go... I do not want to send cards back and forth and maybe (but MAYBE) got a card which is somehow will work.


I do not record much 60p anyway. So no, Angelbird is also not an ultimate solution.

Re: Warning about new Sandisk Extreme Pro 95 MB/s media

PostPosted: Mon Jan 27, 2020 12:38 pm
by Robert Niessner
Gabor Tomor wrote:
Robert Niessner wrote:There are cards from Angelbird which will work flawlessly.


After I've got my replacement from Angelbird (first card got dropped frames with cDNG 3:1 60P) I still started to get the same results. Dropped frames with 60p. So I let it go... I do not want to send cards back and forth and maybe (but MAYBE) got a card which is somehow will work.


I do not record much 60p anyway. So no, Angelbird is also not an ultimate solution.


Sorry, but the Pocket Cinema Camera never was able to record in more than 30p. And the fix Angelbird issued was for the Pocket Cinema Camera and the Videoassist.
No one claimed that CDNG 3:1 60p will work

Re: Warning about new Sandisk Extreme Pro 95 MB/s media

PostPosted: Mon Jan 27, 2020 1:41 pm
by Gabor Tomor
Robert Niessner wrote:Sorry, but the Pocket Cinema Camera never was able to record in more than 30p.

No one claimed that CDNG 3:1 60p will work



Sorry but I referred to BMMCC. As before. And to quote Angelbird's support:
angelbird.jpg
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But as I also said: it does not matter. Let it go. Just information for everybody who is thinking in the same.

Re: Warning about new Sandisk Extreme Pro 95 MB/s media

PostPosted: Sat Feb 15, 2020 11:19 am
by Malksharan
Do we have newson this subject ? I tried the integral 256. Drop frames after 3minutes in 60p CDNG 3:1
I will buy another one and check. I need at least two of them. So i will see if it is different.

Re: Warning about new Sandisk Extreme Pro 95 MB/s media

PostPosted: Thu Feb 27, 2020 4:18 pm
by Gabor Tomor
Malksharan wrote:Do we have newson this subject ? I tried the integral 256. Drop frames after 3minutes in 60p CDNG 3:1


Integral cards don't work. I tested the 128Gb Gold version, I have got drop frames less than 1minute.

However, maybe finally I found a working one!
I have just got a new Kingston Canvas Select PLUS (important, not the default Canvas Select) and for the very first test I was able to record 8Gb (2+ minutes) 3:1 cDNG without dropping frames.
(edit: of course I referred to 60p cDNG 3:1)

This is the card:
https://www.kingston.com/us/memory-cards/canvas-select-plus-sd-card

You will need a minimum of 128Gb. I will make other tests but for first this sounds promising!

Re: Warning about new Sandisk Extreme Pro 95 MB/s media

PostPosted: Thu Mar 05, 2020 2:44 am
by Engineer
Hi,
I also test these cards and they work well
I tested Canvas select plus 128GB and 256GB on BMPCC and BMMCC. No problems up to 50FPS RAW3: 1 - whole card 256GB without lost frame :D
I also tested the Canvas React 256GB. Works on BMPCC only up to 25p.

Re: Warning about new Sandisk Extreme Pro 95 MB/s media

PostPosted: Wed Mar 11, 2020 12:55 pm
by jonaskiero
this card worked for me completely
it is a sandisk extreme pro card of 95mb of 128g I do not know what the lot will be but on the back it is made in china and code BP1714250824G