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Re: BMPCC (original) SD Cards

PostPosted: Mon Nov 25, 2019 4:26 pm
by alexey.goloburdin
Frank Engel wrote:
alexey.goloburdin wrote:I bought a Kingston Canvas React 256GB after your comment, and this card can not write RAW even on 24fps on my BMPCC:( Just Prores HQ. Very upset:(


Did you purchase from a reputable dealer - certain that it is a genuine card?


Yes, Ozon.ru, local Amazon analog in Russia, one of the biggest online shops here. It does not look like a fake.

Minimum write speed on my macbook internal SD card reader and BMD Disk Speed Test is 73.1 MB/s, just now made 5 cycles.

BMPCC shows blinking red sign on the top left corner after ~10 seconds of RAW record in 24fps. May be problem with my BMPCC, don't know... Yeah

Re: BMPCC (original) SD Cards

PostPosted: Mon Nov 25, 2019 11:46 pm
by John Morris
I bought a Kingston Canvas React 256GB SD yesterday. Worked fine recording DNG on my BMPCC at 30fps for an hour without issue. Also worked well in the Pocket 4K at 30fps 4K DCI Q0.
Mine has the same part numbers and packaging as GeoRover posted.

Re: BMPCC (original) SD Cards

PostPosted: Tue Nov 26, 2019 7:55 pm
by alexey.goloburdin
So, today bought Sandisk Extreme Pro 128Gb 95Mb/s WITH V30 — and it works, RAW in 24fps working without frame dropping on my original BMPCC. Kingston Canvas React 256Gb did not work for RAW with my particular camera — frame dropping after first minute with RAW, Prores HQ works normally. Sandisk Extreme Pro 128Gb 170MB/s not work, camera don't see it. Samsung Evo Plus and Samsung Evo Pro — frame dropping in Prores HQ even after ~3 min.

The only conclusion, that I can make after 3 days of researching and testing different cards — you should test your particular BMPCC with SD card, that you buy. Only the test solves will it work or not. It looks like absolutely random.

Re: BMPCC (original) SD Cards

PostPosted: Tue Nov 26, 2019 11:56 pm
by John Morris
alexey.goloburdin wrote:So, today bought Sandisk Extreme Pro 128Gb 95Mb/s WITH V30 — and it works,

Unfortunately the exact model number isn't printed on the card. Do you still have the packaging? The latest from BMD is that "** SanDisk Extreme Pro 95MB/s SD cards with Product Number Prefix SDSDXXG are not supported". SDSDXP were the old ones which did work.
It's going to be confusing if the latest SD cards from Sandisk now work but have the same model designation.
I see that there are two Sandisk Extreme Pro 128G listed on the WD site:
SDSDXXG-128G-ANCIN
and
SDSDXXY-128G-ANCIN

Re: BMPCC (original) SD Cards

PostPosted: Wed Nov 27, 2019 11:41 am
by Frank Engel
alexey.goloburdin wrote:The only conclusion, that I can make after 3 days of researching and testing different cards — you should test your particular BMPCC with SD card, that you buy. Only the test solves will it work or not. It looks like absolutely random.


Yes, we should always be doing that anyway. Even with reputable brands and models that are known to work there is always some risk of any given piece of equipment being bad, and sometimes faults only show up under very specific conditions.

I would agree that this one seems particularly strange, but there have been some variations in what has worked for different people with these cameras, with a card working for one person and another having problems.

Re: BMPCC (original) SD Cards

PostPosted: Wed Nov 27, 2019 11:47 am
by Frank Engel
John Morris wrote:I see that there are two Sandisk Extreme Pro 128G listed on the WD site:
SDSDXXG-128G-ANCIN
and
SDSDXXY-128G-ANCIN


There are multiple reports on the forum from other users that the SDSDXXY cards do not work, and the SDSDXXG cards are the ones that BMD originally reported as not working.

Re: BMPCC (original) SD Cards

PostPosted: Thu Nov 28, 2019 4:37 pm
by Dmitry Shijan
It was a report here viewtopic.php?f=2&t=83050&p=571798#p571798 that Integral Ultima Pro 256GB works:

30fps cDNG RAW
60fps ProRes 422HQ
60fps 3:1 cDNG RAW

Part Code: INSDX256G-100/90V30
EAN: 5055288441309
Price for the 256GB card at Amazon.co.uk is today listed at: £22.39

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Re: BMPCC (original) SD Cards

PostPosted: Sun Dec 15, 2019 8:40 pm
by Ben Das
I've had a time with my, new to me, OG blackmagic pocket cinema camera. I purchased several SD cards that "should" have worked, but did not. Blackmagic support sent me here. I appreciate all the info you guy have shared. My first bit of luck was on my own, but it was only a 64GB card and could only record about 15 minutes of 30FPS raw, but it worked! It's a refurbed old school sandisk extreme pro. They are cheap too $12.95. Here's the item title description on the amazon page I bought it at...they wouldn't let me post URLs.

SanDisk Extreme PRO 64GB SDXC Card 95MB/s UHS-I SDSDXPA-064G-X46 (Renewed)

I wanted more space on the card though, cause 15 minutes is not enough. A few days ago I ordered the a Kingston Canvas React 256GB SD card. It just came in the mail today, I've been shooting raw 30fps on it for over 20 minutes as of now and it's still going strong with no dropped frames. I had to format it in with my PC first so the camera could recognize it, but I should be able to shoot raw for over an hour on this thing. Thanks again for the info everyone. Here's the item title description of the one I bought on amazon.

Kingston Canvas React 256GB SDXC Class 10 SD Memory Card UHS-I 100MB/s R Flash Memory High Speed SD Card (SDR/256GB)

I also ordered a
"Samsung 256GB EVO Plus Class 10 UHS-I microSDXC U3 with Adapter (MB-MC256GA)"
because it was also recommended as working in the BMPCC. I will post my findings when I get it, if it doesn't work I'll send it back and order another Kingston react.
So glad to be dialing in on new cards that work on these amazing cameras.
Cheers
Ben

Re: BMPCC (original) SD Cards

PostPosted: Tue Dec 17, 2019 11:27 pm
by Ben Das
The Samsung Evo never arrived. I have amazon prime, and they are usually spot on. I got a delivery notification, but no delivery. They were awesome enough to issue me a refund for the lost Micro SD card. I went ahead and ordered another Kingston react because it worked great, and a full sd card feels more robust than a micro card. If the samsung ever shows up by chance I will be sure and test it and post my results, but I'm super happy with the kingston, and like the idea of having several matching cards rather than a mix of cards.

I ended up recording on the Kingston for over 40 minutes without dropped frames. It was pretty much a fresh battery from full to empty. I'm good with that.

Best of luck on your SD card search!

Re: BMPCC (original) SD Cards

PostPosted: Sun Jan 05, 2020 4:26 pm
by beat-o
if this is useful for someone in 2020, the sony 128gb SF-GU1Z works with the original bmpcc and the bmmcc, i tested 60fps RAW 3:1 and it works flawlessly.

All the codecs and frame rates are supported by this sd card in the bmmcc.

i bought it from Amazon UK, just be sure that the code in the card be SF-GU1Z

Re: BMPCC (original) SD Cards

PostPosted: Tue Jan 07, 2020 11:39 pm
by Username
beat-o wrote:if this is useful for someone in 2020, the sony 128gb SF-GU1Z works with the original bmpcc and the bmmcc, i tested 60fps RAW 3:1 and it works flawlessly.

All the codecs and frame rates are supported by this sd card in the bmmcc.

i bought it from Amazon UK, just be sure that the code in the card be SF-GU1Z


Did you meant “SFG1UZ”?

Re: BMPCC (original) SD Cards

PostPosted: Thu Jan 23, 2020 10:25 pm
by Lorenzo
GeoRover wrote:I can confirm that Kingston Canvas React 256GB works flawlessly on BMPCC Original!

I recorded RAW 30fps with NO problems at all.

RAW @ 30fps = 1:00 Hours of record time
RAW @ 24fps = 1:15 Hours of record time



Hi at all, I just joined the forum.
I have BlackMagic Micro Cinema Camera, I have problem to find a card.
I have a 128GB Sandisk Extreme Pro SDXC V30 170 MB/s and no recognized card on camera.

I have read that there is Integral ultima Pro 256Gb SD Card 4K Ultra-HD, but someone had drop frame problems recording in RAW.

The Angelbird card are very good, but too much expensive.

Is Kingston Canvas React 256GB compatibile with BMMCC also? Whit all its formats.
Thank you.

Re: BMPCC (original) SD Cards

PostPosted: Fri Jan 24, 2020 12:48 pm
by Frank Engel
Lorenzo wrote:Is Kingston Canvas React 256GB compatibile with BMMCC also? Whit all its formats.


There have been mixed reports about the Canvas React cards and the BMMCC - most of what I've seen seems to suggest that they do not work with some of the formats on the BMMCC. I don't have a BMMCC to test on myself.

Re: BMPCC (original) SD Cards

PostPosted: Fri Jan 24, 2020 1:26 pm
by Brad Hurley
Frank Engel wrote:There have been mixed reports about the Canvas React cards and the BMMCC - most of what I've seen seems to suggest that they do not work with some of the formats on the BMMCC. I don't have a BMMCC to test on myself.


I have a BMMCC (actually two of them now, I just got a second one, used). I tested the Canvas React 128 gb card in it and everything was fine until 60fps, which started dropping frames right away. 30fps raw, compressed raw, or Prores HQ was fine, but this card can't handle 60 fps, at least in my test with the 128 gb card.

Oddly enough on my original BMPCC (Pocket Cinema) the Canvas React won't record 30 fps without dropping frames, but that's an issue with my camera rather than the card; even the BMD-recommended original SanDisk cards drop frames on my BMPCC at 30fps in raw or Prores HQ.

Re: BMPCC (original) SD Cards

PostPosted: Fri Jan 24, 2020 2:09 pm
by Username
Lorenzo wrote:
Hi at all, I just joined the forum.
I have BlackMagic Micro Cinema Camera, I have problem to find a card.
I have a 128GB Sandisk Extreme Pro SDXC V30 170 MB/s and no recognized card on camera.

I have read that there is Integral ultima Pro 256Gb SD Card 4K Ultra-HD, but someone had drop frame problems recording in RAW.

The Angelbird card are very good, but too much expensive.

Is Kingston Canvas React 256GB compatibile with BMMCC also? Whit all its formats.
Thank you.


The two models of Integral cards I have that have worked very well in my BlackMagic Micro Cinema Camera BMMCC (I have not tried these in a BMPCC)
I have bought them all from Amazon UK.

Formatted HFS+ in camera.
I have filled the cards using these codecs and frame rates without a single dropped frame.

30fps cDNG RAW
60fps ProRes 422HQ
60fps 3:1 cDNG RAW

https://integralmemory.com/product/prem ... mory-cards
256GB: 100MB/s* Read, 90MB/s* Write.
Integral Ultima Pro 256GB.
Part Code: INSDX256G-100/90V30 - EAN: 5055288441309

https://integralmemory.com/product/ulti ... emory-card
128GB, 256GB, 512GB: 95MB/s* Read, 90MB/s* Write.
Ultima Pro X GOLD 128GB & 256GB
128GB Part Code: INSDX128G10-95/90U1 - EAN 5055288429185
256GB Part Code: INSDX256G10-95/90U1 - EAN 5055288429192

Re: BMPCC (original) SD Cards

PostPosted: Sat Jan 25, 2020 12:15 am
by Lorenzo
Username wrote:The two models of Integral cards I have that have worked very well in my BlackMagic Micro Cinema Camera BMMCC (I have not tried these in a BMPCC)
I have bought them all from Amazon UK.

Formatted HFS+ in camera.
I have filled the cards using these codecs and frame rates without a single dropped frame.

30fps cDNG RAW
60fps ProRes 422HQ
60fps 3:1 cDNG RAW


Have you tried it with other formats and all other frame rates too?
I've found a model on Amazon UK.

In the meantime I wrote to SanDisk support.

Re: BMPCC (original) SD Cards

PostPosted: Tue Feb 04, 2020 10:58 am
by Lorenzo
Hi,
SanDisk support he toold to me to try "SanDisk UHS-II"... anyway I decided to purchase
Integral Ultima Pro 256GB
100MB/s* Read, 90MB/s* Write.

On Amazon UK. Its work very well, no drop frame or other kind of issue with Blackmagic Micro Cinema Camera with all formats and fps.

Re: BMPCC (original) SD Cards

PostPosted: Wed Feb 12, 2020 9:43 pm
by Chris Leutger
I got the Kingston Canvas React 256 GB from Amazon at the link provided above. I was able to record 30 minutes of RAW @ 24fps with no errors. This is longer than I would normally record in the field, so that's good news. I have a bunch of older 64 GB cards because normally I record ProRes HQ. But I have a project coming up that I want to record in RAW. Of course I'd forgotten how much data that is. Ugh.

Re: BMPCC (original) SD Cards

PostPosted: Tue Mar 10, 2020 7:41 pm
by Roofusj
I bought that Canvas React 128gb card based on what I read here and I am able to finally record raw on the Bmpcc. I didn't know this was a thing when I bought it last month but I'm happy to have a solution that works in 2020. No errors and sustained recording time.

Thank you to everyone here.

Re: BMPCC (original) SD Cards

PostPosted: Sat May 16, 2020 7:03 pm
by jaytothekay
This is so frustrating.

I also have the Kingston Canvas React 250GB and have had problems, even even at ProRes422. Don't purchase for the BMMCC.

Re: BMPCC (original) SD Cards

PostPosted: Thu Jul 16, 2020 2:11 pm
by owiseabuzaid
How to make sure that the issue is related to the memory card or the camera it self? I got a used BMPCC recently and i have been struggling with random dropping frames. Currently i'm using the Extream Pro 32 GB 95 speed. After reading that the Canvas React is the solution for some people and still the issue there for others made me confused.

Re: BMPCC (original) SD Cards

PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2020 4:21 am
by OmegaMan17
This worked for me at 23.98 frames shot in film mode for over 1 hour.

Samsung Electronics EVO Select 256GB microSDXC UHS-I U3 100MB/s Full HD & 4K UHD Memory Card with Adapter (MB-ME256HA)

from Amazon

Re: BMPCC (original) SD Cards

PostPosted: Sun Jul 19, 2020 8:24 am
by Leon Chen
I am glad this thread is still alive...

I just got a used BMMCC and I am looking for a proper SD card for it. After the research, I bought Kingston react 64GB, which works for prores at both 30fps and 60fps, but not raw or raw 3:1. I used it for one day shooting and filled it with Prores HQ both 30fps and 60fps, so far so good.

So is there any definitive answer of a fully working SD card for BMMCC/BMPCC as for now July 2020?

My friend said he tried Lexar Professional 1667x and it can record raw on BMMCC. I am wondering if anyone tried that?

Any comment is appreciated. Thanks.

Re: BMPCC (original) SD Cards

PostPosted: Sun Jul 19, 2020 9:32 am
by Robert Niessner
Leon Chen wrote:I am glad this thread is still alive...

I just got a used BMMCC and I am looking for a proper SD card for it. After the research, I bought Kingston react 64GB, which works for prores at both 30fps and 60fps, but not raw or raw 3:1. I used it for one day shooting and filled it with Prores HQ both 30fps and 60fps, so far so good.

So is there any definitive answer of a fully working SD card for BMMCC/BMPCC as for now July 2020?

My friend said he tried Lexar Professional 1667x and it can record raw on BMMCC. I am wondering if anyone tried that?

Any comment is appreciated. Thanks.


For the BMPCC Angelbird has your back:
viewtopic.php?p=576024#p576024

For the BMMCC it seems more difficult when trying to record 60p RAW. 30p does work with Angelbird. I guess they would have again to fix some awkward timing pattern problems with the way BM cameras wrote to SD cards back then (at least that is what they told me back then, when I talked to them about the problem).

Re: BMPCC (original) SD Cards

PostPosted: Sun Jul 19, 2020 10:05 am
by Leon Chen
Thanks. Well the availibility of Angelbird here can be a problem, although I do have CFast card from Angelbird, but not SD card.

Well the bmmcc is not my main camera and it is a smaller configuration for action scene such as on a car, I guess I can live with proress 60fps.

I am just quite curious about the issue, since the maximum writing rate of BMMCC is around 70MB/s (CinemaDNG RAW - 65 MB/s CinemaDNG RAW 3:1 - 33 MB/s at 30fps), which most cards can do today. I really hope BMD can sort it out since as I know there are many users who love BMMCC for their customized projects.

Actually if using prores 422 at 30fps, a piece of Sandisk Ultra would work (writing 35MB/s)! However I do need 60fps for my action shots so I still need push it a bit. Kingston works so maybe I can just skip the RAW - which was quite a lot to work with in the post anyway.

Still I am looking forward to the result of Lexar Pro 1667x . Maybe I will buy one if I am out of patience...

Re: BMPCC (original) SD Cards

PostPosted: Sun Jul 19, 2020 10:39 am
by Robert Niessner
The problem with CNDG is, that it means the card has to write small individual DNG frames, not a continuous serial data stream like with ProRes or BRAW. Try to copy hundreds of 2 MB JPGs onto the card and watch the write speed compared to a large ProRes file.

1080p 3:1 DNG is about 66 MB/s - but it is much more taxing than the bandwidth alone would suggest.

Re: BMPCC (original) SD Cards

PostPosted: Sun Jul 19, 2020 11:52 am
by Brad Hurley
Leon Chen wrote:I am glad this thread is still alive...

I just got a used BMMCC and I am looking for a proper SD card for it.


Did you see this post? viewtopic.php?f=2&t=91479&start=50#p591259

I haven't tried that card (Integral Ultima Pro 256GB) myself, but the poster said it worked at all framerates and formats, so presumably that means all the way up to Raw 3:1 at 60 fps.

Re: BMPCC (original) SD Cards

PostPosted: Sun Jul 19, 2020 8:45 pm
by Leon Chen
Robert Niessner wrote:The problem with CNDG is, that it means the card has to write small individual DNG frames, not a continuous serial data stream like with ProRes or BRAW. Try to copy hundreds of 2 MB JPGs onto the card and watch the write speed compared to a large ProRes file.

1080p 3:1 DNG is about 66 MB/s - but it is much more taxing than the bandwidth alone would suggest.


Yes I understand. However when a camera is developed and selling as a product, this should be solved. The funniest fact is that year ago this was not an issue until Sandisk changed their product... Now both BMD and Sandisk are point at each other saying 'not my problem'... And users can only try their luck. I doubt BMD will renew BMMCC... a 4k (or even higher) recorder at high fps in such a small case is ... not necessary? :lol:

Brad Hurley wrote:Did you see this post? viewtopic.php?f=2&t=91479&start=50#p591259

I haven't tried that card (Integral Ultima Pro 256GB) myself, but the poster said it worked at all framerates and formats, so presumably that means all the way up to Raw 3:1 at 60 fps.


Yes I did. And i also read a lot posts about how Ultima dropped frames... speaking of brands, I would rather trust Kingston or Lexar . :|

Re: BMPCC (original) SD Cards

PostPosted: Wed Jul 22, 2020 9:27 am
by Leon Chen
OK I bought Kingston Canvas Go! Plus 256GB.

I did not do a full test, but first of all my BMMCC works with this SD card, and the Prores HQ at 60fps seems good. The RAW 3:1 at 60 fps works at first a few minutes, but then dropped frames. The writing speed of this card on my mac shows around 80MB/s. So I guess the fragments from RAW recording just overwhelms the card, even it seems fast enough.

I think I am ok with this, since 60fps HQ makes me happy enough. For higher fps and higher quality I will use other camera anyway.

Hope this helps.

Re: BMPCC (original) SD Cards

PostPosted: Fri Aug 14, 2020 9:33 pm
by Inno_Vetkin95
I created a petition for a software update for BMPCC on Change just for kicks, it's titled "Software update for old Blackmagic cameras". You can sign it if you want)

Re: BMPCC (original) SD Cards

PostPosted: Thu Aug 27, 2020 2:31 pm
by WilliamRenner
... more testing in progress...

Re: BMPCC (original) SD Cards

PostPosted: Fri Aug 28, 2020 6:34 am
by Chris Leutger
I'm still using my original Sandisk cards and they write fine. But I recently bought some Angelbird cards and they work as well. I'm now using those in my BMPCC and in my Sony A7RIV since the write times on other cards for the Sony were slow. Now they're speedy. The Kingston Canvas React 256GB worked fine for a while with cDNG on the BMPCC, but then I started to get errors, even with switching to ProRes. So now I'm sticking with Angelbird. They're the same price as the Sony Tough cards I was recommended and I can use the cards with my pocket so I'm all in on those cards. When Sony recalled their cards, my Angelbirds were fine.