Future Higher End Black Magic Camera ?

Hello everyone!
This is my first post here. Did some research but did not find a post wich describe the gap that is still empty even after the bmpc (pocket and 4K) announcement.
First of all , i want to thank BMD for the wonderful products and software they released in the past few years. These tools are made for proffessionals who needed some change in the industry. They filled a lot of gap with reliable and affordable tool wich I worked with since years now.

Your camera line is a huge improvement but it feel like you could hit a "higher end market" with a few improvement.

I just want to describe the camera i'm ready to give 6000-8000$ for. It is basicly the 4K camera with just a few improvement.

1/ The mount : i would definitely pay more for an E-mount (but i doubt sony would afford that) or AN IMS MOUNT!!! This is a must in the camera industry market. If you do adapter with electronic aperture , i would be ready to pay for it , even high priced.

2/ Touch screen: since the "dslr revolution" , we are used to have a small field monitor on a magic arm. The touch screen draw a lot of power , and still less affordable than a classical button panel. Keep it simple and affordable because this side doesn't need to cost a lot. If we can get HMI output it is great , but SDI still enough.

3/ Audio input : Just 2 XLR phantom powered , and audiolevel+button . No more.

4/ A proper DC input: no inside battery, just a 4 pin XLR or mini XLR to put a secured battery solution.

5/ make it a small cube; Put XLR and audio on the right side with media; thunderbolt , DC/input and SDI on the back , and if possible SDI and/or HDMI on the front of the left side with a dc output.

6/ Optional : 50p and 60P, i understand that this is hard to implement it as there is a lot of parts to consider: sensor + processor + "motherboard" +SSD writer + connection that can handle the datarate.

That's it ,
you now have a camera that almost everybody who bought a C300/C100/FS700/Canon 1DC/Ikonoskop/Kineraw/RED Scarlet/F3 will want to buy some days.

I know this sound like a teacher who don't know what he is talking about, but there is a reason i took the time to write this post: I love the bmcc!
Tried it just once and this is a revelation. The image processing is brilliant and the standard SSD and postprocessing compression format is a huge step to the proffesional world.
With your color science, you just need a few design improvement to reach true perfection!

Adrien,
a guy who still wonder if he's gonna go for an upgraded FS700 for the versatility or a bmpc-4K for the price point and wonderful image.

Hi Adrien: Great minds think alike. See my earlier post:
http://herefortheweather.wordpress.com/ ... wish-list/

Cheers.

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I just want to describe the camera i'm ready to give 6000-8000$ for. It is basicly the 4K camera with just a few improvement.

1/ The mount : i would definitely pay more for an E-mount (but i doubt sony would afford that) or AN IMS MOUNT!!! This is a must in the camera industry market. If you do adapter with electronic aperture , i would be ready to pay for it , even high priced.

Whilst it sounds like a good idea, an interchangeable mount is very difficult to do well. And it has to be done really really well because the tolerance of the mount is so critical. The EF flange issue that the BMCC went through in it's early release was a change of tolerance in the thousandths of a mm.

For that kind of exact tolerance where you expect a user to be able to use different mounts, means the machining has to be very precise and consistent and that generally makes it expensive.

Look at what RED charge for their PL mount. http://www.red.com/store/products/dsmc-ti-pl-mount

Do you really want 1/4 of your own target price to be taken up with the cost of a single mount ? And that's for a dumb mount.

I suspect this is also why Canon also do separate models of mount on the C300/500 cameras. EF or PL. You can't just change them on the body. It's too hard to make them good enough at this price point and they are charging a lot more.

jb

Hi Adrien: Great minds think alike. See my earlier post:
http://herefortheweather.wordpress.com/ ... wish-list/

Cheers.

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Yay Peter! I think we share the dream of thousand of cinematographer , first time i saw the design of the Kineraw mini , i had a great hope!

Do you really want 1/4 of your own target price to be taken up with the cost of a single mount ? And that's for a dumb mount.

First of all, thank you for your work and sharing your knowledge. In fact... yes i would definitly pay for it, even more. I choose lenses that fits to the project as often as i can and ef mount is way too restrictive for my taste.

Looking at your wish list that would push the price of the camera into RED territory.

There is a reason RED and Arri Alexa cost what they do. The R&D cost (with many high end features) and manufacturing costs are much higher. They have a smaller user base to tap into to recoup those costs.

That's not to say that BM should not be targeting that space but they need to build a reputation and I think what BM have done, by opened up access to high quality image capture, is a good solid way of building a reputation with a much very wider user base.

By shipping a low cost cinema camera with less features they can recoup the R&D costs faster and invest in future developments.

Hi Adrien: Great minds think alike. See my earlier post:
http://herefortheweather.wordpress.com/ ... wish-list/

Cheers.

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Yay Peter! I think we share the dream of thousand of cinematographer , first time i saw the design of the Kineraw mini , i had a great hope!

Do you really want 1/4 of your own target price to be taken up with the cost of a single mount ? And that's for a dumb mount.

First of all, thank you for your work and sharing your knowledge. In fact... yes i would definitly pay for it, even more. I choose lenses that fits to the project as often as i can and ef mount is way too restrictive for my taste.

That's why my wish-list is somewhat more conservative than yours. I tried to limit it to things that might be possible to achieve "soon" for around $5K, but still be an step forward from the BMPC-4K.

I understand that some users are interested in an interchangeable mount system, but the wish-list on my blog instead first proposes 2 camera models, one with EF & the other with PL, to keep costs down.

Of course, in the end BMD will do whatever they will do. It's all good.

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