DR 18 Still Jumps to Top Clip In Color Page?

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Re: DR 18 Still Jumps to Top Clip In Color Page?

PostSat Dec 23, 2023 6:33 pm

Exactly.

Glaring usability defects like this persist year after year, while (and often because) the kitchen sink is hastily thrown into the application with cobbled-together "integration."

Instead of fixing stuff like this, they added the pointless "Cut" page. I'm mystified as to the purpose of this exercise in wasted space. But it doesn't really matter.

BMD, please take a break from the extraneous BS and fix what's there.
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Re: DR 18 Still Jumps to Top Clip In Color Page?

PostMon Mar 04, 2024 8:53 pm

I don't remember this being an issue with 17...just switched to 18 for a feature project I'm recutting and now when I switch to the color page the clip I have selected in the edit page isn't what shows in the color. So annoying and such a time waster!
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Re: DR 18 Still Jumps to Top Clip In Color Page?

PostTue Mar 05, 2024 2:38 am

IT'll go to the clip where your cursor is, not the selected one. Even the position will be kept.
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Re: DR 18 Still Jumps to Top Clip In Color Page?

PostTue Mar 05, 2024 5:46 am

It'll go to the clip where your cursor is

That doesn't mean anything, because there can be a whole stack of video tracks "where the cursor is."
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Re: DR 18 Still Jumps to Top Clip In Color Page?

PostTue Mar 05, 2024 5:51 am

Well, that's intentional then. Clips in stacked tracks can be of very different length, which one to choose for grading?
Do you have an example of an NLE with a better solution?
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Re: DR 18 Still Jumps to Top Clip In Color Page?

PostTue Mar 05, 2024 7:35 am

Uli Plank wrote:Well, that's intentional then. Clips in stacked tracks can be of very different length, which one to choose for grading?

The selected one! That's the whole point of this thread. Why would the length of the clip have anything to do with this issue?

If nothing is selected in the timeline, then the Color page should show the topmost one in the track stack under the playhead.

There is no other NLE I know of that tacked editing functionality onto a color corrector. NLEs that offer color correction generally act upon the selected clip or timeline event, as suggested here. If nothing is selected in those, you can't even attempt color correction because there's nothing to act upon.
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Re: DR 18 Still Jumps to Top Clip In Color Page?

PostTue Mar 05, 2024 8:30 am

It seems like DaVinci Resolve still hasn't fixed it in version 18. I haven't found a setting to change this behavior either. It would be nice to just keep the playhead where it is when switching between pages.
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Re: DR 18 Still Jumps to Top Clip In Color Page?

PostTue Mar 05, 2024 12:05 pm

I think Palmer wants something else.
If you keep auto-select activated, moving the cursor in the timeline of the Edit page will select the clip under it. When you switch to the color page, that clip will be selected as well and the cursor is on the same frame.
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Re: DR 18 Still Jumps to Top Clip In Color Page?

PostWed Mar 06, 2024 8:05 am

Uli Plank wrote:I think Palmer wants something else.
If you keep auto-select activated, moving the cursor in the timeline of the Edit page will select the clip under it

No. There could be three, seven, or a dozen clips "under it." I'm not requesting anything different at all. You're ignoring the fact that the playhead can be located in numerous clips at once.
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Re: DR 18 Still Jumps to Top Clip In Color Page?

PostWed Mar 06, 2024 8:46 am

Not ignoring that, but how would you want to select the clip to grade in that case? The top one, the bottom one, or which?
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Re: DR 18 Still Jumps to Top Clip In Color Page?

PostWed Mar 06, 2024 3:23 pm

It’s not clear to me why the play head needs to jump to the beginning of a clip when it already intersects the clip on a different track. So clicking on adjacent clips that happen to be at the same play head location (or at least overlap) should not move the play head.
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Re: DR 18 Still Jumps to Top Clip In Color Page?

PostWed Mar 06, 2024 9:56 pm

Uli Plank wrote:Not ignoring that, but how would you want to select the clip to grade in that case? The top one, the bottom one, or which?

How many times do we have to repeat this? It should grade THE SELECTED ONE. If there is no selected one, it should grade the top one under the playhead.
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Re: DR 18 Still Jumps to Top Clip In Color Page?

PostThu Mar 07, 2024 2:25 am

PalmerWoodrow wrote:
Uli Plank wrote:Not ignoring that, but how would you want to select the clip to grade in that case? The top one, the bottom one, or which?

How many times do we have to repeat this? It should grade THE SELECTED ONE. If there is no selected one, it should grade the top one under the playhead.


Are you familiar with the mix and un mix button?
Your proposal is to have resolve change that when switching to the color page depending on whats selected on edit.

and if two clips, not next to each other and not under the playhead are selected on edit, what is the desired choice then? Move the playhead to one of them?
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Re: DR 18 Still Jumps to Top Clip In Color Page?

PostThu Mar 07, 2024 3:02 am

Personally, I would prefer the following behavior:
If there is a selected clip in the edit page that is under the playhead, keep it selected when switching to the color page. In any other case, the topmost clip under the playhead should be automatically selected.

There is also the following 2 alternative solutions I mentioned in my previous post
panos_mts wrote:1. "Open in color page" command
viewtopic.php?f=33&t=124895

2. An additional clip filter named "Selected timeline clips".
With this clip filter enabled, only the selected timeline clips will be visible when you switching to the color/fusion page.
viewtopic.php?f=33&t=146162
I managed to overcome this problem by using a workaround with macro software.
I created a macro that calls the "Open in fusion page" keyboard shortcut, then it calls the switch to the color page keyboard shortcut. This is equivalent to the "Open in color page" I suggested.
The problem is that there is some delay when calling this macro, and in some rare cases it does not work.
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Re: DR 18 Still Jumps to Top Clip In Color Page?

PostThu Mar 07, 2024 7:38 am

I agree, this behavior is inherently very obtrusive.
The worst offender is, in my opinion, that when a clip is selected it jumps to the start of it!
Why? is it some remnant of old Resolve behavior, back when it was grading only? Is there an advantage that I'm missing?

I *could* get around the selection behavior, when I'm browsing with the playhead to find the exact spot I want to look at, if this didn't exist. But when I do, and a different clip on another track is selected, and I select the clip I want, at the timecode I want, it jumps to the beginning!! I have to fumble again, to find the moment I was looking at.

Please fix that one, at least.
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Re: DR 18 Still Jumps to Top Clip In Color Page?

PostThu Mar 07, 2024 9:38 am

Peter Chamberlain wrote:Are you familiar with the mix and un mix button?
Your proposal is to have resolve change that when switching to the color page depending on whats selected on edit.

Thanks for your reply. No, I'm not. Since you didn't elaborate on it, I can't weigh in on your question.

Peter Chamberlain wrote: and if two clips, not next to each other and not under the playhead are selected on edit, what is the desired choice then?

When you go to the Color page? Logically the Color-page playhead should start at the beginning of the clip associated with the earliest selected timeline event. If the selected timeline events are stacked on different video tracks with the same In point, the Color page should start at the beginning of the topmost one.
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Re: DR 18 Still Jumps to Top Clip In Color Page?

PostThu Mar 07, 2024 2:38 pm

Why should the play head move when jumping to the Color page? Why should the play head move when clicking on adjacent clips on the color page if they intersect the current play head? I don’t think it should. Of course, as soon as you click on a clip that does not intersect the current play head, it makes sense to move the play head to the beginning of the associated clip. Assuming you are in unmix mode, this behaviour will seem very natural.
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Re: DR 18 Still Jumps to Top Clip In Color Page?

PostThu Mar 07, 2024 7:40 pm

Yeah, I don't know why the playhead on the edit page would move.
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Re: DR 18 Still Jumps to Top Clip In Color Page?

PostSat Mar 16, 2024 12:59 pm

Are you familiar with the mix and un mix button?
Your proposal is to have resolve change that when switching to the color page depending on whats selected on edit


Peter, if you're doing an overlay of 5 clips (like in my case right now) you (and the client) want to judge color on the full composite of the five clips, unmixed will only show one of them.

If I'm parked at frame 50 of that stack, that I tap on the timeline layer clip or the thumbnail, the machine jump at frame 1 and that frame is not the one I need for color.
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