Resolve 19.0b3 Lost The Mute Option In Source Channel

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Resolve 19.0b3 Lost The Mute Option In Source Channel

PostWed Jun 26, 2024 5:35 pm

Resolve 19.0.b3 has no Mute option anymore in the Clip Attributes / Audio / Source Channel.

For multi channel audio, ex. 5.1 film soundtrack, each channel can be configured as Embedded Channel 1-6 or Mute. In Resolve 19.0.b2 the Mute option is present, it's gone in 19.0.b3.

Note: if I mute a channel on a clip in b2, it stays muted when I open the same project in b3, and subsequently I can mute / unmute additional channels in b3. But if I unmute all channels on the clip in b3, we are back at the no mute options available.

Please fix it in subsequent versions, thanks!

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Re: Resolve 19.0b3 Lost The Mute Option In Source Channel

PostWed Jun 26, 2024 6:35 pm

Seen this as well on my MacBook with 19b3 Studio.
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Re: Resolve 19.0b3 Lost The Mute Option In Source Channel

PostSat Jul 20, 2024 1:03 am

For info: I updated to Resolve 19.0.b5 and the problem is still present.

No Mute selection available in the Clip Attribute / Audio / Source Channel.

V 19.0.b2 works fine, broken in b3 and b5, I skipped b4.
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Re: Resolve 19.0b3 Lost The Mute Option In Source Channel

PostSat Jul 20, 2024 1:16 pm

françois maurin wrote:Resolve 19.0.b3 has no Mute option anymore in the Clip Attributes / Audio / Source Channel.
I have never seen such an option.
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Re: Resolve 19.0b3 Lost The Mute Option In Source Channel

PostSat Jul 20, 2024 10:05 pm

Me neither, Jim, but maybe you only get the option with multi-channel files.
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Re: Resolve 19.0b3 Lost The Mute Option In Source Channel

PostSun Jul 21, 2024 3:02 pm

Ahhh. I only use mono and stereo.
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Re: Resolve 19.0b3 Lost The Mute Option In Source Channel

PostSun Jul 21, 2024 5:43 pm

Jim Simon wrote:I have never seen such an option.
Ignorance is bliss, Jim.


In previous versions it was here, per channel:
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in v19 there is a (new) track level control, but the per channel control appears to have disappeared:
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Re: Resolve 19.0b3 Lost The Mute Option In Source Channel

PostSun Jul 21, 2024 10:18 pm

It is now back in 19.0b5 build 51. :)
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Re: Resolve 19.0b3 Lost The Mute Option In Source Channel

PostSun Jul 21, 2024 11:51 pm

Charles Bennett wrote:It is now back in 19.0b5 build 51.
As far as I'm aware, build 51 is currently a windows only build (and build 52 for Linux)... at time of writing, latest b5 build for macOS systems remains build 50.
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Re: Resolve 19.0b3 Lost The Mute Option In Source Channel

PostWed Jul 24, 2024 2:09 am

Build 50/51 has the mute option back in clip attributes.
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Re: Resolve 19.0b3 Lost The Mute Option In Source Channel

PostWed Jul 24, 2024 6:58 am

Peter Chamberlain wrote:Build 50/51 has the mute option back in clip attributes.
Hi Peter, the screenshot I posted above is from Build 50 running on my M1 MacBook Pro... as shown, there is no individual channel 'Mute' option. Thoughts?
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Re: Resolve 19.0b3 Lost The Mute Option In Source Channel

PostFri Sep 06, 2024 12:24 am

Hello all,

Just downloaded Resolve 19.0.1 Build 6 and the bug persists. There is no Mute option present in the clip attribute of Audio source channel selection.

It was there in version 19.0B Build 25, and disappeared in subsequent version 19.0B Build 33.


Peter, I tested 19.0B Build 50, and it is missing in that version as well. Where can we get Build 51 ?
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Re: Resolve 19.0b3 Lost The Mute Option In Source Channel

PostFri Sep 06, 2024 10:40 am

This is in Studio 19.0.1. The embedded stereo audio has also been split into two mono tracks. You will not get individual mutes on interleaved stereo audio. Mutes are working fine here.
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Re: Resolve 19.0b3 Lost The Mute Option In Source Channel

PostSat Sep 21, 2024 2:16 am

We are not talking about the same thing. You are muting individual tracks, I need to mute individual channels in a multichannel track.

Here are two screenshots, one in 19.0.b2 showing the Mute available for the channels, the second in 19.0.1 without any channel Mute option available.

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Re: Resolve 19.0b3 Lost The Mute Option In Source Channel

PostWed Oct 02, 2024 9:04 pm

Just downloaded Resolve 19.0.2 (Build 7) today.

The problem persists: No Mute option in Clip Attributes / Audio / Source Channels.
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Re: Resolve 19.0b3 Lost The Mute Option In Source Channel

PostThu Oct 03, 2024 3:40 am

The 'mute' option under Source Channel in Clip Attributes was removed for 19.0 however that option wasn't actually a mute - it populated the lane of a multichannel config as an empty channel. The mute that's there now is the same as the audio inspector, it mutes a specific element in a multichannel container - the element is there, it will appear when edited into the timeline but will be muted/disabled. There is no equivalent to the old 'mute' in the clip attributes dropdown currently, you can no longer populate lanes with a blank channel.

To help with discussions here, what configuration were you trying to achieve which the removal of this function prohibits?
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Re: Resolve 19.0b3 Lost The Mute Option In Source Channel

PostFri Oct 04, 2024 8:36 pm

This is annoying. I have the same issue, and I rely on that function to populate tracks with silence on the creation of laybacks with separate 5.1 stems. Without it, there is no tool for correctly routing the individual mono tracks into the correct channels.
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Re: Resolve 19.0b3 Lost The Mute Option In Source Channel

PostTue Oct 08, 2024 1:39 pm

This was an important feature. It is mandatory to turn off each channel on the right or left side, without which you cannot work. You need a switch where you can mute or turn off a separate page. Or is it possible elsewhere? Please come back urgently, please. Thanks
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Re: Resolve 19.0b3 Lost The Mute Option In Source Channel

PostSat Oct 12, 2024 5:03 am

The 'mute' option under Source Channel in Clip Attributes was removed for 19.0 however that option wasn't actually a mute - it populated the lane of a multichannel config as an empty channel.


I not sure I understand. Mute does what I expect it to do, i.e. silence the channel. It's not empty as it can be un-Muted, hence revealing the audio still present in the channel. What's a "lane"? Do you mean a track? A clip? What's a "config"? Do you mean the audio format?

The mute that's there now is the same as the audio inspector, it mutes a specific element in a multichannel container - the element is there, it will appear when edited into the timeline but will be muted/disabled.


Where is that? Where can you mute a single channel (Ex. LFE, or C channel in a 5.1 multichannel format) in a multichannel container? Show us please.

There is no equivalent to the old 'mute' in the clip attributes dropdown currently, you can no longer populate lanes with a blank channel.


I need the old Mute in the clip attributes dropdown, or somewhere else, I don't mind. I see no other way to do what I need to do. What is a "lane"? I'm not trying to "populate", it is populated already with the multichannel audio, I need to Mute/make whatever channel(s) of my choosing silent.

To help with discussions here, what configuration were you trying to achieve which the removal of this function prohibits?


I have 5.1 soundtracks, 6 channels of audio contained in a multichannel clip. I do not want to make each channel its own track, I would end up with 6 tracks instead of one, it takes too long and it makes things more complicated, and it's prone to errors (routing, levels, pan.) I just want to Mute any channels as I see fit, keeping the 5.1 audio on its single track, with its automated panning/routing and down-mixing unchanged.

EXAMPLES:
I need to make versions without LFE elements. Easy! Mute the LFE channel, done.
I need to make versions without Dialog, with Dialog only, without Surround elements. Easy, Mute/un-Mute the specific channels, done.

If there is another way to do this just as easily, I'm all ears.
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Re: Resolve 19.0b3 Lost The Mute Option In Source Channel

PostSat Oct 12, 2024 5:34 am

françois maurin wrote: have 5.1 soundtracks, 6 channels of audio contained in a multichannel clip. I do not want to make each channel its own track, I would end up with 6 tracks instead of one, it takes too long and it makes things more complicated, and it's prone to errors (routing, levels, pan.) I just want to Mute any channels as I see fit, keeping the 5.1 audio on its single track, with its automated panning/routing and down-mixing unchanged.

In all the Pro Tools sessions I've seen in LA, they do it with separate tracks and everything gets a bus output. You could always just kill the bus out if you wanted to mute a specific output.
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Re: Resolve 19.0b3 Lost The Mute Option In Source Channel

PostSat Oct 12, 2024 12:19 pm

françois maurin wrote:If there is another way to do this just as easily, I'm all ears.


It's not as easy, but until BMD brings back the Good Old Mute, here is a possible workaround:
(Note: I muted the audio to prevent a copyright strike.)



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Re: Resolve 19.0b3 Lost The Mute Option In Source Channel

PostSun Oct 13, 2024 7:43 am

Just discovered this was missing today.
Dang! That was a useful feature.
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Re: Resolve 19.0b3 Lost The Mute Option In Source Channel

PostSun Oct 13, 2024 10:47 am

It was.
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Re: Resolve 19.0b3 Lost The Mute Option In Source Channel

PostWed Oct 16, 2024 7:40 pm

Right, so in essence this is just splitting the 5.1 track into 6x mono tracks, only converted to group / decomposed after the facts. I mean good to know that the option exists, too bad there is no going back (re-compose) to the 5.1, that would have solved my problem.

I'd rather have 3x 5.1 tracks to edit with vs. 18x mono tracks. The real estate is quickly being eaten up by the tracks. Also in the Edit panel the tracks keep their denomination when decomposed: L, C, R, Ls, Rs, LFE; but in the Fairlight page they go: A1, A2, A3... A18. Also in the Fairlight page, the name of the audio clips switch to the name of the original media, adding to the mess.

imho, the Mute option at the Clip Attribute level (or some way to Mute discrete channels in a multitrack container), is more elegant and powerful, and better than converting to group / decomposing.

I don't know why it was removed. I see that it does not translate to the Mute in the Inspector / Audio Configuration (post conversion to mono), and maybe that's the part that Cliff was trying to explain.

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Re: Resolve 19.0b3 Lost The Mute Option In Source Channel

PostThu Oct 17, 2024 6:09 am

françois maurin wrote:Right, so in essence this is just splitting the 5.1 track into 6x mono tracks, only converted to group / decomposed after the facts. I mean good to know that the option exists, too bad there is no going back (re-compose) to the 5.1, that would have solved my problem.
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Of course you can have it back to 5.1, only an extra step is needed when setting the AudioWork timeline.
Here is the video with 5.1 all the way:



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Re: Resolve 19.0b3 Lost The Mute Option In Source Channel

PostWed Oct 23, 2024 12:03 am

I now realize that Convert to Linked Group happens at the Timeline level only, the clip(s) in the Media Pool are unaffected, i.e. they maintain their single 5.1 track configuration. Great!

I appreciate the workaround by way of nesting Timelines. I suppose I am not using nesting to its full potential ;), I will experiment. That said, it is way more work and planning than simply muting individual channels within the 5.1 track, and it is not "sticky" the way muting a Source Channel within a clip is.

I maintain that having discrete mute buttons/option in the Audio Configuration/Clip Attributes for multichannel audio formats, (one per channel + whole track), would be very powerful.

I rest my case on this topic.

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Re: Resolve 19.0b3 Lost The Mute Option In Source Channel

PostFri Nov 01, 2024 10:35 pm

I'm going to agree that the removing of the ability to mute a channel in a multichannel file is really disappointing. It is a feature I used often to isolate channels for review. I've even used it to take out the center channel of a 5.1 mix to patch it with a new center channel. This was only in a huge time crunch when the client didn't have time to send it back to the sound mixer. I don't understand how a feature that was so useful would be removed. Please, please, please add this feature back in.

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Re: Resolve 19.0b3 Lost The Mute Option In Source Channel

PostWed Nov 13, 2024 12:10 am

I installed Resolve 19.1 build 12 today, and the option is BACK! :D Thank you BMD people!

It's not called/named "Mute" anymore, it is now called "<none>". Works for me!!

The selection is clearly labelled in the Inspector as well.

This is much appreciated,
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