Metatagging issues

Morning all,

is anyone else having problems with saving metatagging data in the 19.01 release? It seems to be very buggy.

I am having to resort to go back to 18.6 to metatag and then import the project back to 19.

It seems that when selecting clips, then opening the 'Shot & Scene' window, firstly it shows data only when hovering over a clip or clips. But then when you click on the clips it vanishes.
And then if you select a bin of clips minus 2 clips for example, ALL the clips in that bin will get tagged.

Also the save metadata button does not always come up. It all seems massively buggy.

UPDATE: 19.01 will not allow batch metadata tagging. It struggles with individual tagging also. Staying with 18.6 for this and importing project back into 19

Working fine here in Studio 19.0.1 on Windows.

Not reproducing this behaviour on macOS.

Is this behaviour Project specific? Any change restarting the host?

Not reproducing this behaviour on macOS.

Is this behaviour Project specific? Any change restarting the host?

very odd indeed! I have restarted, also I started a fresh library, imported a copy of the project clean, and still no luck.

Only problems are in 19. In 19.6 it is absolutely fine, And then I expprt the project, and import to 19 and the data is there. Just seems a very odd work around.

You're using Local Libraries?

You're using Local Libraries?

I am.

Next annoying issue - I will add here rather than clog up the main board - is that the metadata window does not refresh itself now when I click on a new clip.
It continues to show the previous clip's data that I have just entered. And no, it is not still selected.
If I hover over the new clip, the data fields go blank. When I click on the clip itself to highlight, it reverts to old data.
Pls can someone at BM look into the metadata area. It keeps coming up with loads of bugs!

Would you use a screen capture tool to record with sound what you’re seeing? And describe what you’re doing as you go? Then post a YouTube link to it here. That’ll make sure we’re all on the same page.

Would you use a screen capture tool to record with sound what you’re seeing? And describe what you’re doing as you go? Then post a YouTube link to it here. That’ll make sure we’re all on the same page.

Will do in the morning

Would you use a screen capture tool to record with sound what you’re seeing? And describe what you’re doing as you go? Then post a YouTube link to it here. That’ll make sure we’re all on the same page.

Apologies. The job sucked me in.

Anyways, this problem has not gone away. It is really bad.

I recently changed the way i was working, from the 'old method' as i call it, where I would do Dailys with a one light for proxy Prores 422 proxy each evening. Edit those and then do a conform to Camera files.

As I learned Davinci, I decided to do it the Blackmagic way. I imported all of the originals, allowed DVR to make its own proxies, change my colour space to Rec709 and all good.
But no. I lost all my metatagging. OK, no worries. A hassle but maybe my fault.

So I started metatagging again and ran into this horror. it seems that when I batch select clips (originals or proxy) and then go over to the metadata window, and add data, it accepts it but it sort of flickers on off. it is like a ghost residue that doe snot get picked up by the smart bins.
See video attached.

In essence, the metatagging does not work well at all on MXF files. It seems to work on DJI .movs and Gopro footage but not on Canon Cinema files.

UPDATE - I am trying metatagging in DVR 20 beta 2 and it works fine. NO ghosting/flicker issues, but I am nervous to move to 20 because I had problems last time with working on a beta and crashes.

I looked at your video and am a bit puzzled. From what I see you're in the Edit Page - but the Effects panel is in the lower right rather than upper left. Cool! How did you do that?

How did you get two columns of Media Pool in the Edit Page? Thought you could only do that in the Media Page.

Where's the Timeline? I don't see it!

Anyway, on to the main issue:
At 0:24 you've got a group of media pool clips selected. And I can see the multiple-selection checkboxes all along the left of the Metadata inspector. But when you move your mouse across the second column of the media pool the inspector's title changes to a single clip - the one shown in the second column's thumbnail view - and all the multiple-clip checkboxes go away.

Worse still - the Metadata inspector title goes from Media Pool to Timeline. So at 0:27 you're really editing the metadata of a single clip in the timeline rather than editing anything at all in the Media Pool.

All that flickering is, I'm betting, the keyboard focus switching between the media pool and timeline as you move your mouse.

So where the heck is the timeline and how did you get your screen into this curious configuration? Doing so predictably could be useful!

I looked at your video and am a bit puzzled. From what I see you're in the Edit Page - but the Effects panel is in the lower right rather than upper left. Cool! How did you do that?

How did you get two columns of Media Pool in the Edit Page? Thought you could only do that in the Media Page.

Where's the Timeline? I don't see it!

Anyway, on to the main issue:
At 0:24 you've got a group of media pool clips selected. And I can see the multiple-selection checkboxes all along the left of the Metadata inspector. But when you move your mouse across the second column of the media pool the inspector's title changes to a single clip - the one shown in the second column's thumbnail view - and all the multiple-clip checkboxes go away.

Worse still - the Metadata inspector title goes from Media Pool to Timeline. So at 0:27 you're really editing the metadata of a single clip in the timeline rather than editing anything at all in the Media Pool.

All that flickering is, I'm betting, the keyboard focus switching between the media pool and timeline as you move your mouse.

So where the heck is the timeline and how did you get your screen into this curious configuration? Doing so predictably could be useful!

I'm on dual screen! Time line is next door. you can do dual pane media pool or even quad!

The metatagging is a disaster in 19. I have given up. I am completely unable to tag anything except drone and gopro footage.

BUT on 20 I can. Dont know why. And I am worried, as I said, of jumping onto 20 this early. I did it with 19 from 18 and almost lost the project!

Well clearly the problem you’re having there is that different things are getting selected as you move across the screen but Resolve maintains the highlight for what was originally selected. So when you change the tags you’re not updating the clips you think you are.

That explains all the troubles you’re describing.

Well clearly the problem you’re having there is that different things are getting selected as you move across the screen but Resolve maintains the highlight for what was originally selected. So when you change the tags you’re not updating the clips you think you are.

That explains all the troubles you’re describing.

That seems one of the problems. As I said, I could highlight GoPro material and then I can modify the data, but then when i move to mxfs it does not remember the gopro material but some long lost thing I may have highlighted.
And I know there are other minor similar variants I cant think to list here. In effect buggy as hell, and making me reconsider going back to AVID. the dreaded Avid.
Unless some angel out there in the BM dev team can see this and build a metatagging coding review into the 20 beta!

I think “buggy as hell” may just come down to something other than what you expected was being modified. I think it’s very unlikely that the codec is involved here.

If you wanted to go back and reproduce the problem with a small enough test case that you could consistently show it happening and they could make it happen then sure. But short of that… I think the wacky selection is the prime contender for what’s not working properly.

I think “buggy as hell” may just come down to something other than what you expected was being modified. I think it’s very unlikely that the codec is involved here.

If you wanted to go back and reproduce the problem with a small enough test case that you could consistently show it happening and they could make it happen then sure. But short of that… I think the wacky selection is the prime contender for what’s not working properly.

It is definitely not a codec issue. It is an application issue. There is no wacky selecting going on. I select a group of MXF files and want to tag - 'cloudy day' and that should work.

I described the “wacky selection issue” I’m actually seeing in your video. Did you go back to your video and see if you could understand what I’m describing?

I’m trying to help here. Really. I put in the effort to carefully analyze your video. I hope you’ll put in the effort to understand what I’ve found.

I described the “wacky selection issue” I’m actually seeing in your video. Did you go back to your video and see if you could understand what I’m describing?

I’m trying to help here. Really. I put in the effort to carefully analyze your video. I hope you’ll put in the effort to understand what I’ve found.

Apologies, the 'wacky selection' phrasing seemed a sarcastic brush off. So I am sorry I took it the wrong way! I do appreciate your help, and thank you for taking your time to look at this!

I have looked into this and had a senior DIT come over to look at the project and the the issues, and it seems that there is a residue ghosting issue with the files having been on one raid that recently crashed, and even though i reconnected the project to new drives, it might be having a conflict with a missing drive. This we think is the issue. I am testing it right now. I have had to go into the Mac Library and delete all traces of Blackmagic.

I will let you know how it goes. If you saw the recent issue with the flickering flies. It is not a codec issue. It is an application issue.

Thank you again, and sorry for the misunderstanding!