"Timeline Resolution" on the render page is misleading

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"Timeline Resolution" on the render page is misleading

PostTue Jun 24, 2025 12:17 am

I was happy when I heard that resolution now defaults to "timeline resolution" on the render page, but it does NOT work as expected and is actually more confusing. For example the project I was just working on: my timeline resolution is HD, but I'm monitoring at UHD, because that works best with my setup. One would think the default resolution on the render page - labeled "Timeline Resolution" - would be 1920x1080, but it's not:

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This is the exact same (annoying) behavior as before, only now there's a misleading indication of the timeline resolution. What is the point of this?
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Re: "Timeline Resolution" on the render page is misleading

PostTue Jun 24, 2025 4:07 am

Yep, precisely.

If my timeline is 1234x3456, please render at that.

Period.
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Re: "Timeline Resolution" on the render page is misleading

PostTue Jun 24, 2025 10:41 am

Output sizing comes before input sizing. "Timeline resolution" is not set in stone and it is independent if one wishes it to be from output sizing. Timeline resolution should be perhaps called working resolution because its more of a reference how to handle clips than final deliverable or something set in stone. I frequently change timeline resolution as I work., but I keep my output resolution usually steady.

Which is the final resolution for export as manual has covered. By default output sizing is mirroring so called format or what you think of as timeline resolution. So there is no difference. If you want to make differnt output from working resolution for differnt deliverable, you can. This is all covered in details in the manual.

If you know what you are doing, its no a problem at all. You can get very complex and flexible and come out the other end to tell the tail and that is the beauty of how resolve handles resolution. On the other hand, if you think there is one checkbox that does it all for you and you can't outsource your efforts to that one checkbox. Prepare to be frustrated. Its not how it works.

Output Scaling

Match timeline settings: Turned on by default, so that these settings mirror the Timeline Resolution, Image Scaling, and Input Image Scaling settings described above. Turning this checkbox off lets you choose different settings for monitoring, outputting to tape, or rendering, using the other settings in this group.

- Output resolution: Lets you choose an alternate resolution.

- Mismatched resolution files: Lets you choose an alternate way of handling mismatched resolution files given the alternate resolution you’ve chosen. These options work identically to those of the “Input Image Scaling” group.

- Super Scale: Sets a very processor-intensive and high quality upscaling algorithm that actually creates new pixels for the resized image. The possible values are: None, 2x, 2x Enhanced, 3x, 4x, and Auto.

For more information on Super Scale, see Chapter 11, “Image Sizing and Resolution Independence.”

"DaVinci Resolve is a resolution-independent application. This means that, whatever the resolution of your source media, it can be output at whatever other resolution you like, and just about every size-dependent effect in your project, text, windows of grades, edit and input clip scaling, and other effects will scale appropriately to match the new output resolution.

This also means that you can freely mix clips of any resolution, fitting 4K, HD, and SD clips into the same timeline, with each scaling to fit the project resolution as necessary.
Your project’s resolution can be changed at any time, allowing you to work at one resolution, and then output at another resolution. This also makes it easy to output multiple versions of a program at different resolutions, for example, outputting 4K, HD, and SD sized versions of the same timeline.

Additionally, most controls that let you transform clips, either to push into a clip for creative intent, or to pan and scan media of one format to fit better into a different output format, are smart enough to always refer back to the source resolution when combining resizing operations to shrink, then enlarge an image for various reasons as you work in the Cut, Edit, Fusion, and Color pages.

This chapter covers the relationship among the different sizing and transform controls found in DaVinci Resolve, showing how they work together to intelligently manage the sizing of clips and effects as you work."

Timeline Resolution

The timeline resolution is one of the most fundamental settings of your project, defining its frame size. It’s found in the Master Settings panel of the Project Settings, where you can choose a predefined resolution from the “Timeline resolution” drop-down menu, or you can type a custom resolution into the X and Y fields below.

Mixing Clip Resolutions

Media used in a project does not have to match the timeline resolution. In fact, it’s extremely common to mix multiple resolutions within the same timeline. Clips that don’t match the current resolution will be automatically resized according to the currently selected Image Scaling setting (described below).
Changing the Timeline Resolution

As mentioned earlier, you can change the timeline resolution whenever you like. When you do so, each Edit page transform, Fusion clip effects output, Color page Power Window, Input and Output Sizing adjustment, tracking path, spatial keyframing value, as well as any other other resolution- dependent Resolve FX effect or transform operation in DaVinci Resolve is automatically and accurately scaled to fit the new resolution.

You Can Use Separate Timelines to Output Different Resolutions

Beginning in DaVinci Resolve 16, you have the option of creating separate timelines with individual Format (including Input Scaling), Monitoring, and Output Sizing settings for situations where you need to set up multiple timelines to create multiple deliverables with different resolutions, pixel aspect ratios, frame rates, monitoring options, or output scaling options than the overall project, including “Mismatched Resolution Files” settings.

For more information, see Chapter 34, “Creating and Working with Timelines.”

You Don’t Need Separate Timelines to Output Different Resolutions

Because of the way DaVinci Resolve works, it’s not necessary to create separate timelines when all you need is to output the same timeline at multiple resolutions. Instead, you can focus on mastering a single timeline, which you can output to as many other resolutions as you need.

For example, with only a single timeline in a project set to 4096x2160 (4K DCI) resolution, you can easily output UHD, HD, center-cut SD, and center-cut Instagram sized deliverables in any format you need by simply changing the Resolution drop-down setting in the Deliver page Render Settings before you create a job to render. DaVinci Resolve takes care of the rest.

....the rest you can read on your own. Its all in the manual. It allows for a lot of flexibility in workflows which are very powerful way to leverage what resolve offers, but if you don't know what you are doing, you will get into trouble very quick. I often say that people should read manual often to understand how things work and blackamgic should put more effort in education so they meet halfway.
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Re: "Timeline Resolution" on the render page is misleading

PostTue Jun 24, 2025 1:39 pm

Kruno, are you really quoting the manual to me? Are you serious?
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Re: "Timeline Resolution" on the render page is misleading

PostTue Jun 24, 2025 1:44 pm

Very good information. The issue as you noted is primarily one of terminology. What BMD calls 'Timeline Resolution' is really 'Working Resolution' whereas the rendered timeline resolution is what BMD calls 'Output Resolution'. On the delivery page, just to make things confusing, they use 'Timeline Resolution' as a setting but this actually refers to the timeline's "Output Resolution", not its "Timeline Resolution".

I'm not sure how they could have made this more confusing but once you understand these differences, it begins to make sense.

@Walter - based on the replies from others on this thread, a reference to the manual is prudent. Even your response illustrates that there is confusion between timeline resolution and output resolution and the terminology of timeline resolution on the delivery page.
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Re: "Timeline Resolution" on the render page is misleading

PostTue Jun 24, 2025 1:50 pm

Steve, this is not the first post about this and this confusing nomenclature has being pointed before.

In my book, if your real timeline resolution is 4096x1716 DCI spec and ask the export to use TIMELINE RESOLUTION, the box must export 4096x1716, irregardless of what the output/working resolution temporarily is.

I consider that a bug. Period.
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Re: "Timeline Resolution" on the render page is misleading

PostTue Jun 24, 2025 1:56 pm

waltervolpatto wrote:Steve, this is not the first post about this and this confusing nomenclature has being pointed before.

In my book, if your real timeline resolution is 4096x1716 DCI spec and ask the export to use TIMELINE RESOLUTION, the box must export 4096x1716, irregardless of what the output/working resolution temporarily is.

I consider that a bug. Period.

I know you do but that's because the 'Output Resolution' is the real timeline resolution. What BMD calls the 'Timeline Resolution' is not the timeline resolution, it is the 'Working Resolution'. It just so happens that by default, the 'Output Resolution' (Timeline Resolution) is set to be equal to the 'Working Resolution'. It's enough to drive anyone mad, lol.
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Re: "Timeline Resolution" on the render page is misleading

PostTue Jun 24, 2025 2:08 pm

Let me give an example of why they might have done this. You can set your 'Timeline Resolution' (working resolution) to 4K with the intent of using a pan and scan technique to deliver an HD movie format. You set the timeline resolution to 4K and the output resolution to HD. In doing this, you maintain a higher working resolution for compositing and other operations that require the higher resolution working space and then use the output resolution of HD to frame the output as a window into the 4K working space. Of course, you will need to make changes to the way frame scaling is handled (no resize, etc.) to make this work for pan and scan.

When it comes to delivery and you select 'Timeline Resolution', you want the timeline's output resolution (the HD window into the timeline's working space) and that is what you will get with the current terminology and behaviour.

I'm not saying that this is perfect or even that it is as it should be. I'm just explaining my take on what they were thinking and perhaps the use case as to why. Of course, given I've only had two cups of coffee this morning, I could be wrong :-)
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Re: "Timeline Resolution" on the render page is misleading

PostTue Jun 24, 2025 2:17 pm

Timeline resolution = output resolution in the timeline settings, which by default is the same as format for timeline aka working resolution. They are the same by default. To make them unlink and no longer the same, you have to make those choices as a user at some point. You have to uncheck, first the box to not use project settings, and set new settings specifically for timeline. than you still have mirror checkbox turned on between format and output tabs and their resolution settings.

So you have to uncheck that and set differnt resolutions on each tab. You have to essentially go trough all those steps before "timeline resolution" is not what you expect it to be, but if you read the manual which I was kind enough to quote for some users, and if you are reasonable about what to expect, you can as seasoned user put two and two together to figure out output tab resolution is the "timeline resolution" preset, that can still be changed at any point as you work.

And this preset for "timeline resolution" was as far as I recall not there before, and than people complained that there should be preset that unifies all the resolutions in all the settings and it was added to what approximates to "timeline resolution" preset. Unless you change bunch of settings for custom workflows, by default it will all match. And if you do make all the changes, at least know what you are doing and there is no problems.
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Re: "Timeline Resolution" on the render page is misleading

PostTue Jun 24, 2025 2:21 pm

I have to admit, I also found Kruno's explanation very helpful.

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Re: "Timeline Resolution" on the render page is misleading

PostTue Jun 24, 2025 2:29 pm

Sorry but I disagree.

this IS the timeline resolution
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this IS the output resolution (output scaling)
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they are clearly identified.

as you can see in my case, the timeline resolution is an off size (client data from camera) and that is the resolution I have to turn back to the client, the output resolution is just the size I'm piping on the decklink, nothing more, and is not the "timeline resolution" by any means.

if you want disambiguity, in the export video dropdown many, have three selections, not two:
1) timeline resolution -> the actual timeline resolution as express explicitly by the project settings
2) output resolution -> as explicitly expressed by the project settings in the [image scaling]-[output scaling] settings
3) custom -> do as you wish.
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Re: "Timeline Resolution" on the render page is misleading

PostTue Jun 24, 2025 2:36 pm

waltervolpatto wrote:that is the resolution I have to turn back to the client
Without commenting on how things "should" be, couldn't that be handled by checking the box to Render at source resolution?

Or if you are delivering the entire timeline as one file, by checking the box to Match Timeline Resolution before going to Delivery?
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Re: "Timeline Resolution" on the render page is misleading

PostTue Jun 24, 2025 2:46 pm

I can see Walter's point and the fact that output resolution is used to pipe to the decklink for monitoring purposes doesn't seem right - the monitoring resolution should be used for that. So there are three:

1. Working resolution (or working space)
2. Monitoring resolution (sent to decklink, etc.)
3. Output resolution (the resolution to be delivered)

but I don't think the current implantation deals with all of these cleanly and I have no experience with decklink to understand how that dovetails into these settings... I will now quietly retreat to the kitchen for a third coffee... Cheers
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Re: "Timeline Resolution" on the render page is misleading

PostTue Jun 24, 2025 6:07 pm

To me, what this all points to is that we should have a separate choice of "Monitoring resolution". In the instance of the original post, what I want is for my timeline resolution to be HD, my output resolution to be HD, but my monitoring resolution to be UHD. If I had this option, then I would be totally happy to have the Deliver page default to Output resolution as set in my project settings.
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Re: "Timeline Resolution" on the render page is misleading

PostTue Jun 24, 2025 6:51 pm

Jim Simon wrote:
waltervolpatto wrote:that is the resolution I have to turn back to the client
Without commenting on how things "should" be, couldn't that be handled by checking the box to Render at source resolution?

Or if you are delivering the entire timeline as one file, by checking the box to Match Timeline Resolution before going to Delivery?


Yes it does, and that drop down menu becomes suddenly irrelevant (why we have it in the first place then). In complex projects with multiple deliverable specs, you don't want to fiddle with the project settings, otherwise every export needs a different one, you want to make as automate as possible…

And changing project settings might break cache and magic masks and whatnot…
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Re: "Timeline Resolution" on the render page is misleading

PostTue Jun 24, 2025 8:20 pm

waltervolpatto wrote:Steve, this is not the first post about this and this confusing nomenclature has being pointed before.

In my book, if your real timeline resolution is 4096x1716 DCI spec and ask the export to use TIMELINE RESOLUTION, the box must export 4096x1716, irregardless of what the output/working resolution temporarily is.

I consider that a bug. Period.

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I'm with Walter on this one, it's so annoying and confusing for no reason.. it's simple as that: timeline resolution ≠ timeline resolution.. will be nice to have third option as steve and walter suggested otherwise it's really useless, or change those names in other names so when you select to output to timeline resolution it output to timeline resolution, why complicate those simple things..

This is more annoying then when you split a clip on edit page and it select you a left side of the clip and not the right side, but that can just be me..
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Re: "Timeline Resolution" on the render page is misleading

PostWed Jun 25, 2025 2:56 am

waltervolpatto wrote:And changing project settings
I was thinking changing the Timeline Settings, not Project Settings.
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