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Impossible to trim precisely

PostMon Mar 08, 2021 1:17 am

Why is it IMPOSSIBLE to trim precisely, unless you zoom in 1600%, this is in edit and fairlight.
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Re: [BUG} Impossible to trim precisely

PostMon Mar 08, 2021 3:38 pm

For more precise trims, I often put the timeline into Detail Zoom. Always works. :)
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Re: [BUG} Impossible to trim precisely

PostMon Mar 08, 2021 3:52 pm

Because precision is aided by scale. To see the individual frames you need to zoom in. Same goes for editing audio, especially at sample level.

Bug this isn't. ;)
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Re: [BUG} Impossible to trim precisely

PostMon Mar 08, 2021 7:20 pm

Charles Bennett wrote:Because precision is aided by scale. To see the individual frames you need to zoom in. Same goes for editing audio, especially at sample level.

Bug this isn't. ;)


I am giving up on the forum... back to premiere pro. I dont have problems there!!!
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Re: [BUG} Impossible to trim precisely

PostMon Mar 08, 2021 7:50 pm

Great as it's getting messy of your posts about un-existing problems :D
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Re: [BUG} Impossible to trim precisely

PostMon Mar 08, 2021 8:32 pm

BumbleBee wrote:
Charles Bennett wrote:Because precision is aided by scale. To see the individual frames you need to zoom in. Same goes for editing audio, especially at sample level.

Bug this isn't. ;)


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Re: [BUG} Impossible to trim precisely

PostMon Mar 08, 2021 8:50 pm

Snapping is a bit aggressive and makes it harder to trim precisely when the timeline is zoomed out, try to disable it
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Re: [BUG} Impossible to trim precisely

PostMon Mar 08, 2021 9:17 pm

panos_mts wrote:Snapping is a bit aggressive and makes it harder to trim precisely when the timeline is zoomed out, try to disable it


nah, in premiere pro this is NO issue at all, I am giving up on edit in Davinci...
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Re: [BUG} Impossible to trim precisely

PostMon Mar 08, 2021 9:44 pm

You can trim in single frames, regardless of zoom level. What exactly are you having trouble with?
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Re: [BUG} Impossible to trim precisely

PostMon Mar 08, 2021 10:15 pm

SwansongMedia wrote:You can trim in single frames, regardless of zoom level. What exactly are you having trouble with?


hmm I thought I added a picture to the post, I put it up again
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Re: [BUG} Impossible to trim precisely

PostTue Mar 09, 2021 12:05 am

BumbleBee wrote:
panos_mts wrote:Snapping is a bit aggressive and makes it harder to trim precisely when the timeline is zoomed out, try to disable it


nah, in premiere pro this is NO issue at all, I am giving up on edit in Davinci...


If there is a specific "bad behaviour" then you simply report it, so BM can fix it (or not).
Fairlight is far from been a polished section of Resolve.
Resolve had tons of features added and improved over last years. Probably way more than any other NLE out there, so it's worth reporting.
Resolve is also very young NLE compared to most others, so it has a lot to catch up.
Try doing advanced grading in Premiere :D

For every complain about Resolve I can write something which is crap in Premiere or Edius or other NLE. Changing to new NLE is always painful at the beginning. It's normal, you get use to all problems and try to live with them. At the end you go back to NLE which you feel most comfortable with or if you can afford you use few (best solution) depending on the job nature.

Real story with AVID back good few years ago (10 or more).
90 minutes HD master needed 1.77 aspect to be changed to 1.85 by simple blanking. When I want to facility (quite big all AVID based) which was supplying it they said it's going to take at least half a day due to render/export times. I said- in this time I will have not only new master done (in Edius- about 30 minutes export), but about whole Blu-ray disc authored. It was a joke for me and also a reason why I never even considered AVID for our place. It simply wasn't a tool for us. Edius was. Edius 5.5 is still by faaaar the most reliable NLE I ever used ( and I used more or less all of them).
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Re: [BUG} Impossible to trim precisely

PostTue Mar 09, 2021 1:50 am

Andrew Kolakowski wrote:
BumbleBee wrote:
panos_mts wrote:Snapping is a bit aggressive and makes it harder to trim precisely when the timeline is zoomed out, try to disable it


nah, in premiere pro this is NO issue at all, I am giving up on edit in Davinci...


If there is a specific "bad behaviour" then you simply report it, so BM can fix it (or not).
Fairlight is far from been a polished section of Resolve.
Resolve had tons of features added and improved over last years. Probably way more than any other NLE out there, so it's worth reporting.
Resolve is also very young NLE compared to most others, so it has a lot to catch up.
Try doing advanced grading in Premiere :D

For every complain about Resolve I can write something which is crap in Premiere or Edius or other NLE. Changing to new NLE is always painful at the beginning. It's normal, you get use to all problems and try to live with them. At the end you go back to NLE which you feel most comfortable with or if you can afford you use few (best solution) depending on the job nature.

Real story with AVID back good few years ago (10 or more).
90 minutes HD master needed 1.77 aspect to be changed to 1.85 by simple blanking. When I want to facility (quite big all AVID based) which was supplying it they said it's going to take at least half a day due to render/export times. I said- in this time I will have not only new master done (in Edius- about 30 minutes export), but about whole Blu-ray disc authored. It was a joke for me and also a reason why I never even considered AVID for our place. It simply wasn't a tool for us. Edius was. Edius 5.5 is still by faaaar the most reliable NLE I ever used ( and I used more or less all of them).


They say I have to use forum to report!!! I hate it here, all mean comments... This is NOT only fairlight but also in edit pages, that it is impossible to trim precisely / with mouse. Dont know if I can move handles with keyboard, never tried.
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Re: [BUG} Impossible to trim precisely

PostTue Mar 09, 2021 2:11 am

BumbleBee wrote:Why is it IMPOSSIBLE to trim precisely, unless you zoom in 1600%, this is in edit and fairlight.

This just sounds like a snap issue to me. The interface is designed so that moves and trims naturally "snap" to the nearest cut on any track in the timeline - this makes it easy to make sure things are synchronized to exactly the same place. But it works against you when you're trying to move or cut in very tiny increments. (In other words, it's a feature, not a bug).

You manage this by toggling snap off by pressing the "N" key (or clicking on the toolbar icon) when it gets in the way, and toggle it back on again when it helps you.

Premiere Pro works exactly the same way (but of course the keyboard shortcuts are different).
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Re: [BUG} Impossible to trim precisely

PostTue Mar 09, 2021 3:31 am

Sean Nelson wrote:
BumbleBee wrote:Why is it IMPOSSIBLE to trim precisely, unless you zoom in 1600%, this is in edit and fairlight.

This just sounds like a snap issue to me. The interface is designed so that moves and trims naturally "snap" to the nearest cut on any track in the timeline - this makes it easy to make sure things are synchronized to exactly the same place. But it works against you when you're trying to move or cut in very tiny increments. (In other words, it's a feature, not a bug).

You manage this by toggling snap off by pressing the "N" key (or clicking on the toolbar icon) when it gets in the way, and toggle it back on again when it helps you.

Premiere Pro works exactly the same way (but of course the keyboard shortcuts are different).


No premiere pro works like it should (even with snap on)... It might not be a bug bug, but it is a frustration working with.
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Re: [BUG} Impossible to trim precisely

PostTue Mar 09, 2021 4:08 am

premiere pro works like it should

Thanks, I needed a good laugh this morning.
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Re: [BUG} Impossible to trim precisely

PostTue Mar 09, 2021 5:14 am

eikonoklastes wrote:
premiere pro works like it should

Thanks, I needed a good laugh this morning.


Premiere also works like it shouldn't!
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Re: [BUG} Impossible to trim precisely

PostTue Mar 09, 2021 6:41 am

Peter Cave wrote:
eikonoklastes wrote:
premiere pro works like it should

Thanks, I needed a good laugh this morning.


Premiere also works like it shouldn't!



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Re: [BUG} Impossible to trim precisely

PostTue Mar 09, 2021 10:55 am

BumbleBee wrote:
They say I have to use forum to report!!! I hate it here, all mean comments... This is NOT only fairlight but also in edit pages, that it is impossible to trim precisely / with mouse. Dont know if I can move handles with keyboard, never tried.


There is bug report section. You send description with logs and done. Don’t need to go into any debates.
Get yourself dedicated keyboard, learn shortcuts and you will work waaay faster.
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Re: [BUG} Impossible to trim precisely

PostTue Mar 09, 2021 9:09 pm

BumbleBee wrote:This is NOT only fairlight but also in edit pages, that it is impossible to trim precisely / with mouse. Dont know if I can move handles with keyboard, never tried.


Herein lies the problem. Trying to execute small, accurate trims with the mouse whilst zoomed out just isn't going to work.

I've recently been going through the beginner tutorials (I've been using DR for a while but without ever having tried to properly learn it) so am getting the grips with all the various shortcuts. I used Lightworks before DR - that's designed so you almost never need to touch the mouse - with a Shuttle Pro and a keyboard, you're covered for the vast majority of editing activities. I've bought the Speed Editor for DR and am similarly finding that the need to use the mouse is much diminished. Editing is much better with a control surface (including a keyboard) than with a mouse. Much faster and easier once you've learn the shortcuts.
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PostWed Mar 10, 2021 2:49 am

And if you went to DR because of color grading (and not only since it's free) I'd say you can't use it without a control interface anyway. Grading with a mouse is a joke.
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