Speed color grading panel to complement speed editor

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Speed color grading panel to complement speed editor

PostThu Nov 26, 2020 6:48 am

Now that we have the speed editor, can we have a cheap speed color panel to complement it?

In another post, I said I will be happy with a budget color grading panel the size of the speed editor so it can just seat next to it. I know there is the tangent ripple but for $300, it is not interesting to me. But if BMD will come up with one, I think it will be a lot nicer. I will be so happy if they can make something like what I am calling a speed grading panel with a concept drawing I envision below. This will go a long way if they can deliver and price it like $300.

BMD, maybe we will see one in a few months? Crossing my fingers and toes. ;)

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Re: Speed color grading panel to complement speed editor

PostThu Nov 26, 2020 3:23 pm

I would be surprised, given the following:

https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/produc ... lve/panels
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Re: Speed color grading panel to complement speed editor

PostThu Nov 26, 2020 7:06 pm

Jim Simon wrote:I would be surprised, given the following:

https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/produc ... lve/panels


Maybe but worth asking so we shall see. The micro panel is still expensive for the majority new Resolve Studio owners who bought the Pocket 4K and are not dedicated professional but just looking to have a better controller than just keyboard and mouse. That new market of P4K owners for BMD must be larger than previous sales of other cameras, and of course now support for Resolve that came with it for free.
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Re: Speed color grading panel to complement speed editor

PostSat Nov 28, 2020 5:35 am

I think we already have that with the Micro Panel.

If you really want a very small $300 color panel, get the Tangent Ripple. It's perfectly serviceable and will at least do those basic functions. The most important thing is you can turn two knobs at once, which is mandatory for most color correction (at least the way I work).

Ellory Yu wrote:The micro panel is still expensive for the majority new Resolve Studio owners who bought the Pocket 4K and are not dedicated professional but just looking to have a better controller than just keyboard and mouse.

I think they need to lower their expectations. As I often say, one thing most users don't think about is that while Resolve itself is affordable, the reality is that if you need a really good setup capable of doing very high-res projects with demanding source material, you go broke on the "everything else" necessary for post: monitoring, scopes, storage, backups, the workstation, GPUs, lighting, and on and on and on. Even at a very modest level, you've got to have a calibrated display and a basic control surface. A macro panel (like an XKeys or a Streamdeck) is an inexpensive way to add lots of functionality to a basic panel.

Bear in mind that 11-12 years ago, a Resolve system (or any other first-class 2K system) would have cost you a million dollars with all the peripherals. The question you should be asking is not, "why is it so expensive to set up a color room?", but instead saying, "isn't it amazing that it's so affordable in 2020 from the way it used to be?" The glass is half full!
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Re: Speed color grading panel to complement speed editor

PostSat Nov 28, 2020 6:16 am

Marc Wielage wrote:If you really want a very small $300 color panel, get the Tangent Ripple. It's perfectly serviceable and will at least do those basic functions. The most important thing is you can turn two knobs at once, which is mandatory for most color correction (at least the way I work).

I had the Tangent Ripple and like you said the decent thing about it is you can turn two knobs at once which is great. But the ergonomics and software sync with Resolve was an issue for me. My drawing above is what I have learned that can be something usable in between a Ripple and a Micro Panel. I think it is very doable at the price point I am suggesting. It's like one now has a choice of buying a $995 Resolve keyboard or a $295 Speed Editor, depending of their use and budget.

Marc Wielage wrote:The question you should be asking is not, "why is it so expensive to set up a color room?", but instead saying, "isn't it amazing that it's so affordable in 2020 from the way it used to be?

I don't believe this is the question to be asking because we already know what used to be is no longer the norm and things can be build better, faster, and cheaper. So make it cheap. If a micro panel can be priced half of what it cost now tomorrow, do so. That will be a good thing.
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Re: Speed color grading panel to complement speed editor

PostSat Nov 28, 2020 6:48 am

I agree. It could be a very simple device.
I mean, all it really needs is 3 trackballs and dials, plus a couple of knobs for things like WB.
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Re: Speed color grading panel to complement speed editor

PostSat Nov 28, 2020 4:30 pm

Ellory Yu wrote:The micro panel is still expensive

I don't argue against the idea of more affordable...well, anything really. And if BMD has something in the works, it'd be a welcome addition to our options.

But I don't find the Micro's cost all that daunting when you look at the rest of the equipment that's needed for post production. You'll spend more setting up even a basic editing system (if you do it right).
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Re: Speed color grading panel to complement speed editor

PostSat Nov 28, 2020 6:28 pm

Jim Simon wrote:
Ellory Yu wrote:But I don't find the Micro's cost all that daunting when you look at the rest of the equipment that's needed for post production. You'll spend more setting up even a basic editing system (if you do it right).

I agree with you that for a professional setup, the cost of the Micro is not at all daunting. However BMD just entered the prosumer/consumer market with selling the Pocket 4K and ATEM Minis to streamers (YouTubers), students and newbies, and hobbyist who now have Resolve Studio that came with the camera. Therefore I am just saying there will be another group of equipment support for that [affordability] market, like an affordable pro/consumer grade panel. Just saying.
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Re: Speed color grading panel to complement speed editor

PostSat May 22, 2021 2:41 am

Ellory Yu wrote:I agree with you that for a professional setup, the cost of the Micro is not at all daunting. However BMD just entered the prosumer/consumer market with selling the Pocket 4K and ATEM Minis to streamers (YouTubers), students and newbies, and hobbyist who now have Resolve Studio that came with the camera. Therefore I am just saying there will be another group of equipment support for that [affordability] market, like an affordable pro/consumer grade panel. Just saying.


I fit into the category of newbie / hobbyist who now uses Resolve Studio. I bought the speed editor and got the Studio license deal. $400 CAN - Making the jump to the micro panel is a big ask at $1400 CAN - would I buy a lower price grading panel and a "Pico" Fairlight panel - most certainly.
There are a lot of users that now benefit from the way BM has approached the consumer market.
Clearly the motive behind producing the speed editor makes a lot of sense, why stop at just one product?

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