AMD 6800XT : The sentence

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AMD 6800XT : The sentence

PostFri Dec 04, 2020 7:24 am

FROM PUGET SYSTEM REVIEW:

How well does the AMD Radeon RX 6800 and 6800 XT perform overall?
In most of our testing, the new Radeon 6800 and 6800 XT are significantly faster than the previous generation AMD GPUs. In fact, in a few cases they are as much as 83% faster than the 5700 XT! Unfortunately, NVIDIA also saw some terrific performance gains with their RTX 3000 series cards, so while the 6800 cards would have put AMD in a terrific position a few months ago, NVIDIA maintains their (albeit slimmer) lead in content creation applications.

The larger 16GB of VRAM on the 6800 and 6800 XT can be useful in some workloads, but it is worth noting that in many of the applications where it might matter (such as DaVinci Resolve), NVIDIA holds a sizable performance lead. So, you will need to decide if the relatively low cost to get 16GB of VRAM is worth the large performance loss versus paying more for a card like the RTX 3090 24GB.

AMD is scheduled to release the Radeon RX 6900 XT later this month, so there is still the possibility of them taking the lead at the high end in at least some of these applications. However, supply on the new Radeon cards has been especially tight (we still don't have any 6800 cards ourselves, and had to borrow cards from a friend for this testing), so we do not know when we will be able to test the 6900 cards.

Due to the performance we saw with these cards, we currently have no plans to offer them in our workstations. But if you are in the market for a system, be sure to visit our solutions page to view our recommended workstations for various software packages, our custom configuration page, or contact one of our technology consultants.
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Re: AMD 6800XT : THE SENTENCE....

PostFri Dec 04, 2020 7:27 am

now we have only to wait for NVIDIA 3080TI with 20GB of ram to make the right upgrade to our systems....
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Re: AMD 6800XT : The sentence

PostSat Dec 05, 2020 6:55 am

no comment at all?
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Re: AMD 6800XT : The sentence

PostSat Dec 05, 2020 12:08 pm

The newly announced nvidia 3060ti seems like great value, but I wish it had more than 8GB of VRAM.

I like the amount of VRAM the amd cards have more, but it seems like they do not perform as well unfortunately.

I'd still like to see some more tests and reviews first anyway. Either way, it will probably be a few months before any of them are actually available.
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Re: AMD 6800XT : The sentence

PostSat Dec 05, 2020 12:46 pm

Between RTX 3080 and 6800 XT my choice would be the RTX 3080. The performance difference is big, especially in the GPU Effects Score Bench the RTX 3080 is 69% faster.

On the other hand RTX 3070 is about 15-20% faster than 6800 but 6800 offers the double amount of VRAM. I would prefer the higher VRAM of 6800 compared to the small performance increase of the RTX 3070.
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Re: AMD 6800XT : The sentence

PostSat Dec 05, 2020 3:59 pm

currently the only upgrade would be a RTX 3090 for me in terms of VRAM, I really don't want to lower the amount of VRAM.

The 6800XT would be nice, but it think I'd wait and see what the 6900XT brings
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Re: AMD 6800XT : The sentence

PostSat Dec 05, 2020 8:59 pm

Where are the Radeon VII numbers?
They don't fit in your statement?
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Re: AMD 6800XT : The sentence

PostSun Dec 06, 2020 6:49 am

in my opinion ( actually I own an AMD 5700XT in my PCWIN BUILD) the right upgrade in PCWIN WORLD is the to be realized (as rumors say) NVIDIA 3080 TI with the essential 20GB of VRAM (really important with DaVinci) with the best price/value in the 3000 series. I'm going to place an order of 3 when on sale.
Sorry to say that AMD doesn't reach the performance of NVIDIA.
PS I own in my system a 3970X CPU with 128 GB of RAM om a TRX40 motherboard so it is clear that I like AMD gears
PS 2 it is not clear at all why AMD did not realized a "DUO VERSION INFINITY FABRIC CONNECTED" of its 6900 GPU with 2 GPUs in the same card (like the cards made for Apple Mac Pro) THIS COULD HAVE BEEN "the real killer...
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Re: AMD 6800XT : The sentence

PostSun Dec 06, 2020 6:55 am

Kim Janson wrote:I am in a bit older generation, setting up Mac Pro 2010 :D

Actually waiting the new AMD cards to be available, supported by macOS and popular, so that Radeon VII would come to reasonable price. Now it has 2 x 4 core CPU + 16 GB memory + RX580, + SSD, I plan to keep this one low cost. Currently it is 350 euro.

I plan to upgrade it 2x X5690 CPU + 96 GB memory + Radeon VII + USB card, but only when find those on good price. The new CPUs and GPUs on market as well as Apple M1 should help on that.

It is not for professional use and it is for while waiting Apple M2.

I'm speaking on PCWIN world not about MacWorld. I was a Mac user for years and I have entered the PC World ONLY for price/performance ratio. I do think that the "next" Mac Pro could be an interesting beast with powerful ARM CPU and powerful GUP as well but again the problem will be the price to pay for it
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Re: AMD 6800XT : The sentence

PostTue Dec 08, 2020 4:05 pm

And here the first roundup of 6900XT reviews

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-radeon- ... ew-roundup

Again I do think that the best choise could be, if it will arrive on marketplace, the NVIDIA 3080TI with 20 GB of VRAM.
This is my personal sentence by now....
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Re: AMD 6800XT : The sentence

PostThu Dec 10, 2020 6:34 am

the more I read about the incoming 3080TI the more I think that THIS IS THE GPU FOR 4K VIDEOMAKERS.
I have placed my order in advance to my supplier: 3 3080TIs with water cooler for my DaVinci setup.
I'll have to wait but I do think it deservs to wait for
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Re: AMD 6800XT : The sentence

PostThu Dec 10, 2020 8:12 am

I was interested in Getting a 6800XT, but after being quite disappointed with my Vega 64, the Ups and Down of AMD Drivers and the seemingly lack of optimization with AMD in general with Resolve... I decided to break my piggy bank and got a 3090 RTX... AND GOOD LORD I do not regret it, sure that card is expensive, but man this card is fast.
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Re: AMD 6800XT : The sentence

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GonzagueGB wrote:I was interested in Getting a 6800XT, but after being quite disappointed with my Vega 64, the Ups and Down of AMD Drivers and the seemingly lack of optimization with AMD in general with Resolve... I decided to break my piggy bank and got a 3090 RTX... AND GOOD LORD I do not regret it, sure that card is expensive, but man this card is fast.


I do think you are right but as I can wait I do think that 2 or 3 3080 TIs (with 20GB of VRAM) are the right and almost definitive solution nowaday for Davinci 17 studio.. of course. We cant follow novelty for novelty BUT the 3080TI is the thing to buy expecially if you are thinking on a solution with more then one GPU in your system as me
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Re: AMD 6800XT : The sentence

PostFri Dec 11, 2020 12:17 am

Francesco Bollorino wrote:
GonzagueGB wrote:I was interested in Getting a 6800XT, but after being quite disappointed with my Vega 64, the Ups and Down of AMD Drivers and the seemingly lack of optimization with AMD in general with Resolve... I decided to break my piggy bank and got a 3090 RTX... AND GOOD LORD I do not regret it, sure that card is expensive, but man this card is fast.


I do think you are right but as I can wait I do think that 2 or 3 3080 TIs (with 20GB of VRAM) are the right and almost definitive solution nowaday for Davinci 17 studio.. of course. We cant follow novelty for novelty BUT the 3080TI is the thing to buy expecially if you are thinking on a solution with more then one GPU in your system as me


The 3080 Ti is the sweet spot indeed but I needed a card NOW, not in 2022 ;-). Joke aside, I thought that Puget was not really sold on the Dual Card approach of things, expensive for not a lot added power.

Also, you will need a CPU and Motherboard with a lot of PCI Lane available, meaning that you will have to avoid Ryzen CPUs and go to Intel (no freaking way) or Threadripper. Then, you can add 2/3 GPU, Gen4 SSD (love mine) and you have a quite impressive machine.
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Re: AMD 6800XT : The sentence

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GonzagueGB wrote:
Francesco Bollorino wrote:
GonzagueGB wrote:I was interested in Getting a 6800XT, but after being quite disappointed with my Vega 64, the Ups and Down of AMD Drivers and the seemingly lack of optimization with AMD in general with Resolve... I decided to break my piggy bank and got a 3090 RTX... AND GOOD LORD I do not regret it, sure that card is expensive, but man this card is fast.


I do think you are right but as I can wait I do think that 2 or 3 3080 TIs (with 20GB of VRAM) are the right and almost definitive solution nowaday for Davinci 17 studio.. of course. We cant follow novelty for novelty BUT the 3080TI is the thing to buy expecially if you are thinking on a solution with more then one GPU in your system as me


The 3080 Ti is the sweet spot indeed but I needed a card NOW, not in 2022 ;-). Joke aside, I thought that Puget was not really sold on the Dual Card approach of things, expensive for not a lot added power.

Also, you will need a CPU and Motherboard with a lot of PCI Lane available, meaning that you will have to avoid Ryzen CPUs and go to Intel (no freaking way) or Threadripper. Then, you can add 2/3 GPU, Gen4 SSD (love mine) and you have a quite impressive machine.


my actaul setup is: TRX40 AS MOTHERBOARD, Threadripper 3970x AS CPU 128gb OF RAM, AMD 5700x AS GPU Gen4 SSDs. The build was built with a 2 or 3 GPUs in mind and it is ready for a 3 3080TI if they will arrive (of course with a water cooling system). The only weak side actually is GPU bought to be changed
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Re: AMD 6800XT : The sentence

PostMon Dec 14, 2020 4:58 am

Francesco Bollorino wrote:my actaul setup is: TRX40 AS MOTHERBOARD, Threadripper 3970x AS CPU 128gb OF RAM, AMD 5700x AS GPU Gen4 SSDs. The build was built with a 2 or 3 GPUs in mind and it is ready for a 3 3080TI if they will arrive (of course with a water cooling system). The only weak side actually is GPU bought to be changed


Then no PCI lane problem! Got my 3090RTX and WOW no way I am going back to AMD!
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Re: AMD 6800XT : The sentence

PostMon Dec 14, 2020 5:41 pm

Kim Janson wrote:I was yesterday editing P6K BRAW 1:8 footage with 10 year old Mac Pro only 8 2.5 GHz cores and RX580 and 16 GB memory. Dual SSD on SATA RAID0 a bit less than 500 MB/s. Transferring files was a bit slow as it currently has only the original USB 2.0. It is on the condition I bought the components this fall costing me so far 250 euro + the SSD that I need anyway. It is running Mojave and has latest full DaVinci Resolve. With additional 100 euro investment the files will transfer 10x, at the full 500MB/s speed, that is a must.

And Wow. I did not expect this to run smooth, but it does. It was though just basic stuff for now, cutting, editing, adding LUT and correcting the levels, but all was very smooth.

I do lust for Radeon VII, maybe 6800XT when it is supported, but yesterdays experience makes me wonder why. Maybe I just should be happy with what I got and learn to use it.

I do understand though that for professional video editors the speed is important and waiting times costly and few 1000 euro additional HW cost is nothing if it helps on this.

The Question I have, how will macOS system with dual 6800XT (when supported) compare to the best Windows systems (3080TI or what ever) and how about Linux and clustered systems.


2 6800XT ? maybe a good idea but at around 2000€ of cost. I do think that it is possible to make a better job waiting for a next more powerful M2 ARM Mac. I turn to PC world only for the costs
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Re: AMD 6800XT : The sentence

PostTue Dec 15, 2020 6:53 am

Kim Janson wrote:But is a computer running windows as effective as macOS for Davici Resolve or other editing SW, assuming the HW is the same.

I was for years a strict MacUser and now I have a powerful WINPC. as I have said also in other poosts as I'm not a member of a Mac Fans Club I have not seen really any difference between the use of the two OS with Resolve ( the only real differences stay in the OS itself but I have to say that it's easy to learn WIN for a MacOs user) IT IS ONLY a matter of power and price to pay. Actually a WINPC is the winner by far but future never knows....
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Re: AMD 6800XT : The sentence

PostSat Jul 03, 2021 12:51 am

I currently have the Radeon VII and I was wondering if upgrading to the 6800XT or even 6900XT will be worth it. How do they compare when it comes to content creation specially with Davinci Resolve?
What's your input on this? Should I stay with my Radeon VII for now if stick with AMD cards?

Thanks!
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Re: AMD 6800XT : The sentence

PostSat Jul 03, 2021 7:33 am

ksilva wrote:I currently have the Radeon VII and I was wondering if upgrading to the 6800XT or even 6900XT will be worth it. How do they compare when it comes to content creation specially with Davinci Resolve?
What's your input on this? Should I stay with my Radeon VII for now if stick with AMD cards?

Thanks!


See these benchmarks by Puget Systems:

https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/DaVinci-Resolve-Studio---AMD-Radeon-RX-6800-XT-Performance-1990/
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Re: AMD 6800XT : The sentence

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ksilva wrote:Should I stay with my Radeon VII for now if stick with AMD cards?

High bandwidth vram & a datacenter level chip. Scales up nicely with workloads. Good card to wait for multi-chip gpus with ;)
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Re: AMD 6800XT : The sentence

PostSat Jul 03, 2021 10:24 am

ksilva wrote:I currently have the Radeon VII and I was wondering if upgrading to the 6800XT or even 6900XT will be worth it. How do they compare when it comes to content creation specially with Davinci Resolve?


Probably 6800XT would be at least slightly better, the bigger problem would be to get one into your computer which is probably close to impossible. Also it depends most likely where you want to get improvements when using Resolve.

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