Davinci on Apple M1 Max vs 5950X 3090 - 2x faster !!!

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Re: Davinci on Apple M1 Max vs 5950X 3090 - 2x faster !!!

PostMon Nov 08, 2021 9:07 pm

Uli Plank wrote:And you can buy the whole laptop for the current price of an available RTX3090 card.

More useful you can actually buy the laptop as it is almost impossible to find NVIDIA GPU's at the moment.
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Re: Davinci on Apple M1 Max vs 5950X 3090 - 2x faster !!!

PostTue Nov 09, 2021 1:57 am

Maybe Apple laptops are not that good for mining…
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Re: Davinci on Apple M1 Max vs 5950X 3090 - 2x faster !!!

PostTue Nov 09, 2021 3:31 am

SkierEvans wrote:If there is a new Mac Mini Pro I will be interested in buying compared to upgrading my 1080Ti . If I could even get a GPU now!! The combination of PC and M1 Mini Pro would be good. Not interested in laptop.

Same here... when there is a new Mac Mini M1/Max. The MBP has an impressive display but too small for me. I have better display and much larger. ;)
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Re: Davinci on Apple M1 Max vs 5950X 3090 - 2x faster !!!

PostTue Nov 09, 2021 1:29 pm

Did you see this
As with most things it depends what you do and how you do it.
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Re: Davinci on Apple M1 Max vs 5950X 3090 - 2x faster !!!

PostWed Nov 10, 2021 11:32 am

SkierEvans wrote:Did you see this
As with most things it depends what you do and how you do it.


With quarter proxy every modern computer (yes PC also) is able to run evry type of video in most cases. I'm not sure what that video suppose to say.

Everything is a question of optimizations. On PC also.
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Re: Davinci on Apple M1 Max vs 5950X 3090 - 2x faster !!!

PostWed Nov 10, 2021 12:32 pm

I can do 4K with grain on a 2 GB GT1030 in quarter proxy at playback no problem. But you can't render it out...

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Re: Davinci on Apple M1 Max vs 5950X 3090 - 2x faster !!!

PostThu Jan 13, 2022 8:38 pm

Hi everybody
I just did rather extensive testing between my Intel i7 8-core 3,8 Ghz CPU, 126 GB ram, Amd Radeon Pro 5700 8GB, 2020 27" iMac and my good friends M1 Pro (10-core CPU, 16-core GPU) with 32 GB ram.

Short story:
Davinci Resolve Studio performance - the M1 Pro was twice as fast for a rather heavy 3,5 min multilayered video, with some 2D Fusion processing. Epic performance during render in the Delivery page.

BUT, important:

Davinci Resolve Studio Fusion Page // Blackmagic Fusion Studio performance with heavy, complex 3D-particle systems and Depth-of-Field Accumulation Effects in the CameraRender-node: the M1 Pro suffered greatly, was something like 25% of the render speed (both when using Render All Savers in Blackmagic Fusion-standalone and when rendering via Media Out-node in the Davinci Resolve Deliver Page) of the Intel iMac from mid-2020.

Bottom line: it appears that Davince Resolve has been optimized for the Apple Silicons, and that Fusion has not.

Does anybody have reallife scenario A/B-testing experience like this one to share? It seems that the youtubers of this world are consent with doing very, very basic Fusion-compositions and don't bother doing anything advanced for testing the M1 Pro's and M1 Max's...
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Re: Davinci on Apple M1 Max vs 5950X 3090 - 2x faster !!!

PostFri Jan 14, 2022 4:04 pm

Maybe worth looking at this.




In Ottawa I do not think I can get a 3090 anyway, Can order a 16" Max for about $4149 or a Dell Alienware Ryzen 5950 with a RTX3090 for $4999 both with 1T drives and 32G RAM. Not sure how close a single RTX3090 is to two RTX5000 but I expect competitive and likely faster than the laptops. But a lot more room, power and noise of course. But I currently have no Apple products being Windows and Android .
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Re: Davinci on Apple M1 Max vs 5950X 3090 - 2x faster !!!

PostSat Jan 15, 2022 1:06 am

Try this project, which used to be on BM's Fusion site before. It hits the machine pretty hard and gave me similar results as you describe: M1 is great for Resolve, but not (yet?) for Fusion.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/2i1vm5rjv3kqr ... t.zip?dl=0
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Re: Davinci on Apple M1 Max vs 5950X 3090 - 2x faster !!!

PostSat Jan 15, 2022 1:46 am

Rick van den Berg wrote:I'm glad people still get themselves into situations where macbooks outperform high end windows pc's, somehow. It keeps the market healthy and keeps the boys separated from men who do know how to handle a windows/linux pc.

I have both a "big rig" 2019 Mac Pro desktop and an M1 Max MacBook Pro, and the Mac Pro is significantly faster. What's impressive to me is how the laptop has narrowed the gap between a cheap ($4000) laptop and a $20,000 workstation.
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Re: Davinci on Apple M1 Max vs 5950X 3090 - 2x faster !!!

PostSat Jan 15, 2022 1:13 pm

Uli Plank wrote:Try this project, which used to be on BM's Fusion site before. It hits the machine pretty hard and gave me similar results as you describe: M1 is great for Resolve, but not (yet?) for Fusion.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/2i1vm5rjv3kqr ... t.zip?dl=0


What sort of render times would you expect for this spaceship project. It took my i9 with a P4000 over 50 minutes to render which is pretty poor performance, I would think.
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Re: Davinci on Apple M1 Max vs 5950X 3090 - 2x faster !!!

PostSat Jan 15, 2022 1:34 pm

For me the biggest win of Apple here is not the times (which are similar) but the ability of doing that in the palm of your hand, in your car, in a trip, in a plane, and not behind a huge desktop. Not to mention the battery last from 12 to 20 hs... that is the real no brainer for me, portability with such high performance.
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PostSat Jan 15, 2022 3:32 pm

Steve Alexander wrote:What sort of render times would you expect for this spaceship project. It took my i9 with a P4000 over 50 minutes to render which is pretty poor performance, I would think.


It's really heavy. Please check this thread: viewtopic.php?f=21&t=150120&hilit=spaceship#p801484
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PostSat Jan 15, 2022 4:12 pm

OK - so a fast machine can do it in under 40 minutes and the M1 Pro with 32 GB RAM can do it in 58 minutes.

I have an M1 Max on order (hopefully I will receive it next week) and I'll re-run this test on that. I'm expecting that it will do about the same as the M1 Pro considering that this is CPU bound.

My i9 system is pretty powerful in terms of CPU (better than the M1 Pro/Max, I guess) but my P4000 GPU is really lacking by today's standards.
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Re: Davinci on Apple M1 Max vs 5950X 3090 - 2x faster !!!

PostSat Jan 15, 2022 10:21 pm

Let's wait for Mac Pro desktop of the new generation (with Apple silicon inside) and see how it will compare. Maybe I will purchase one because I avoid portables and I will never try or even intend to do any video editing on the run, outside of my desk.
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Re: Davinci on Apple M1 Max vs 5950X 3090 - 2x faster !!!

PostTue Jan 18, 2022 9:28 pm

Been doing some work on a MacBook Pro with M1 Pro 10 Core for a while now. The good news is that general video decoding/encoding performance is miles ahead of my PC with an RTX2080 Ti. H264 and H265 decode and encode like butter and I can edit straight from 8K H265 without a lot of issues. If I want it even smoother, I can just generate a ProRes proxy super fast. But this means that I don't have to have a ton of space for proxies anymore. Also noise reduction work pretty well.

However, OpenFX performance is much worse. I'm mainly concerned with the Film Grain and Halation plugins - they're much much slower on the M1 Pro. On the RTX2080 Ti I can play back both Grain and Halation in realtime at the same time. On the M1 Pro, even just using Halation or Grain alone doesn't work in real time.
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Re: Davinci on Apple M1 Max vs 5950X 3090 - 2x faster !!!

PostWed Jan 19, 2022 1:24 am

Well, running the SpaceShip in Fusion Studio while running ASITOP in a terminal window has shown me something very interesting. The application utilizes less than 32% of the GPU and that's rarely, majority of the time, it's 5 to 11%.

While DaVinci Resolve Studio has come a long way in performance tuning, I can see that FusionFX has a long ways to go. Almost entirely CPU bound and the GPU settings are on AUTO.

I'm using a MacBook Pro M1 Max (24-core GPU) with 64GB of RAM with macOS 12.1.

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Re: Davinci on Apple M1 Max vs 5950X 3090 - 2x faster !!!

PostWed Jan 19, 2022 1:35 am

Since you got the machine that I'd consider the sweet stop as far as Apple's new laptops are concerned, what's the time you measure for the Spaceship render?
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Re: Davinci on Apple M1 Max vs 5950X 3090 - 2x faster !!!

PostWed Jan 19, 2022 5:38 am

54 minutes 16 seconds.

Slightly faster than the M1 Pro 32GB version, so the extra GPU's don't bring too much more to the table in FusionFX. Confirms that it's more CPU bound in FusionFX than GPU bound. Running it again shows that besides the low percentage of GPU use, the clock speeds for the GPU are 266Mhz and less, so it's barely used if that.
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Re: Davinci on Apple M1 Max vs 5950X 3090 - 2x faster !!!

PostWed Jan 19, 2022 5:46 am

Thanks. Did you also try my Resolve 'benchmark'? I'd expect it to be very close to the 32 core there, since that one tends to throttle under full GPU load.
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