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weak playback with macbook m1 max

PostFri Apr 08, 2022 5:16 am

Hello! i purchased a new macbook pro, M1 max, i am very dissapointed, cant playback greenscreened 4k braw footage (23,976fps) as soon as theres is a clean plate with blur involved (in Fusion) , do i still have to mess around with extremely downsized files to get playback, as soon as theres some heavier effects ect..? i purchased this expensive laptop to avoid to have to do that..i downloaded some 12k footage to test, it does playback ok, as long as it´s not graded, but that doesn´t help my problem..is my new laptop not working correct? thanks for any info/advice..greetings, Chris
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Re: weak playback with macbook m1 max

PostFri Apr 08, 2022 8:56 am

What's your source format? Do you use Studio? How many fps in your timeline?
Now that the cat #19 is out of the bag, test it as much as you can and use the subforum.

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Re: weak playback with macbook m1 max

PostFri Apr 08, 2022 9:52 am

Chris_Wilhelm wrote:as soon as theres is a clean plate with blur involved

Does this mean you're in the Fusion tab ?
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Re: weak playback with macbook m1 max

PostFri Apr 08, 2022 11:19 am

Uli Plank wrote:What's your source format? Do you use Studio? How many fps in your timeline?

the source is braw 4k filmed with pocket 4k pocket camera. 23,976 fps, in 1920x1080 timeline..in fusion, with delta-keyer..thanx for asking
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Re: weak playback with macbook m1 max

PostFri Apr 08, 2022 11:20 am

Sam Steti wrote:
Chris_Wilhelm wrote:as soon as theres is a clean plate with blur involved

Does this mean you're in the Fusion tab ?

yes in fusion..with the delta keyer..thanx
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Re: weak playback with macbook m1 max

PostFri Apr 08, 2022 11:54 am

The delta keyer in Fusion will be a lot slower than the 3D keyer in the color page.
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Re: weak playback with macbook m1 max

PostFri Apr 08, 2022 11:58 am

Chris_Wilhelm wrote:
Uli Plank wrote:What's your source format? Do you use Studio? How many fps in your timeline?

the source is braw 4k filmed with pocket 4k pocket camera. 23,976 fps, in 1920x1080 timeline..in fusion, with delta-keyer..thanx for asking

Do you have the Free or Studio version?
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Re: weak playback with macbook m1 max

PostFri Apr 08, 2022 12:00 pm

Peter Chamberlain wrote:The delta keyer in Fusion will be a lot slower than the 3D keyer in the color page.

ok..but is it normal, not to get smooth playback with a M1 max pro macbook in fusion, or is there something wrong with the macbook? thanx for the replay :)
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Re: weak playback with macbook m1 max

PostFri Apr 08, 2022 12:02 pm

dirk-pel wrote:
Chris_Wilhelm wrote:
Uli Plank wrote:What's your source format? Do you use Studio? How many fps in your timeline?

the source is braw 4k filmed with pocket 4k pocket camera. 23,976 fps, in 1920x1080 timeline..in fusion, with delta-keyer..thanx for asking

Do you have the Free or Studio version?

the studio version
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Re: weak playback with macbook m1 max

PostFri Apr 08, 2022 1:34 pm

Fusion was never programmed to be real-time, it’s all about complex compositing, not about fluid editing like DR. You can compare it to Premiere Pro vs. After Effects. And then, other than DR, it doesn’t yet seem to be fully optimised for Apple silicon. If you check the discussions about Apple’s M1 machines here in the forum, you’ll see that has been confirmed by others.
So, don’t expect miracles from the new machine when Fusion is involved. But if DR is not running smoothly something might have gone wrong with your installation.
Now that the cat #19 is out of the bag, test it as much as you can and use the subforum.

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Re: weak playback with macbook m1 max

PostFri Apr 08, 2022 1:41 pm

While I find the M1 Max to be vastly superior to my Windows system (see my signature), I don't find the performance in Fusion to be as significant. If you are worried that your M1 is somehow defective, perhaps you could post a link to a sample project including your footage for others to try? My guess is that you'll still need to cache your Fusion comp for smooth playback.
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Re: weak playback with macbook m1 max

PostFri Apr 08, 2022 1:43 pm

ok, so probably nothing wrong with the new mac, that was my main concern..thanks uli!
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Re: weak playback with macbook m1 max

PostFri Apr 08, 2022 1:47 pm

[quote="Steve Alexander"]While I find the M1 Max to be vastly superior to my Windows system (see my signature), I don't find the performance in Fusion to be as significant. If you are worried that your M1 is somehow defective, perhaps you could post a link to a sample project including your footage for others to try? My guess is that you'll still need to cache your Fusion comp for smooth playback.[/quote. probably i was just expecting too much..i´ll check it out on my own, then i might try your suggestion and post a sample, if still unsure,..thanks Steve!
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Re: weak playback with macbook m1 max

PostFri Apr 08, 2022 1:52 pm

Or try Peter‘s advice.
Now that the cat #19 is out of the bag, test it as much as you can and use the subforum.

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Re: weak playback with macbook m1 max

PostFri Apr 08, 2022 1:57 pm

Uli Plank wrote:Or try Peter‘s advice.

yes, good tip, thanx
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Re: weak playback with macbook m1 max

PostFri Apr 08, 2022 11:05 pm

I'm having this exact same issue and I'm not working in Fusion. I've got a M1 Max, 64GB 1080P timeline, 6K BRAW 12:1, and it's still really choppy even though it says my playback is 23.98. I can't figure out what the heck is going on. I'm also editing from a 2TB Thunderbolt 3 SSD 1500mbps drive. Help!!!
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Re: weak playback with macbook m1 max

PostTue Apr 12, 2022 4:35 pm

Steve Alexander wrote:While I find the M1 Max to be vastly superior to my Windows system (see my signature)...


Interesting, Steve. My new Max Studio performance isn't noticeably different from my AMD system listed in my signature. Studio Max is 64B, 1TB storage, otherwise base model.

Same timeline fluidity, roughly equivalent export rendering. It's actually slower in Blender rendering than the AMD system. Kinda disappointing, actually.

What aspects are you seeing that are vastly superior?
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Re: weak playback with macbook m1 max

PostTue Apr 12, 2022 9:28 pm

Peter McLennan wrote:
Steve Alexander wrote:While I find the M1 Max to be vastly superior to my Windows system (see my signature)...


Interesting, Steve. My new Max Studio performance isn't noticeably different from my AMD system listed in my signature. Studio Max is 64B, 1TB storage, otherwise base model.

Same timeline fluidity, roughly equivalent export rendering. It's actually slower in Blender rendering than the AMD system. Kinda disappointing, actually.

What aspects are you seeing that are vastly superior?


My guess, It's your RTX 3060 - wayyyyyy more powerful than my P4000.
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Re: weak playback with macbook m1 max

PostTue May 24, 2022 4:08 pm

hello again..still having slow chompy playback..if anyone would take the time to look at this dra..and tell me, if i they get smooth playback here, greatly appreciated..


https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/ ... sp=sharing

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Re: weak playback with macbook m1 max

PostWed May 25, 2022 2:30 pm

Chris_Wilhelm wrote:hello again..still having slow chompy playback..if anyone would take the time to look at this dra..and tell me, if i they get smooth playback here, greatly appreciated..


https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/ ... sp=sharing

thanks, chris


Tried it on my Windows 11 system and as soon as the project loaded I got a GPU memory is FULL error on my 8GB P4000.

Sorry - my Macbook is packed (travelling) otherwise I would have tested this apples-to-apples, so to speak.

Note that I see you are using 8196x8196 images in Fusion - this will consume a huge amount of GPU memory which is probably why my lowly P4000 is blowing-up.

Add - also, there's no FBX file (or I missed it) so the Fusion comp doesn't work on my machine (although that didn't prevent it from consuming all my GPU memory for the sake of the two 8K PNG files, lol).
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Re: weak playback with macbook m1 max

PostWed May 25, 2022 5:11 pm

I also get a memory full error on a PC with a RTX 3070 with 8 GB VRAM.
My workhorse Mac M1 is still running under DR 17.

Now, gave it a try on my beta 18 alternative boot. I can load the project and the media, but what should I see?
There's nothing in the timeline but a title.
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Re: weak playback with macbook m1 max

PostWed May 25, 2022 5:55 pm

Best of luck. My computer is an antique (2019!!!) and I can't even play back 1080 footage with very limited fx. It's all about using those savers / loaders and caching. I really hope they can automate some processes to allow playback some day because yeah, editing videos is very difficult when you can't actually watch the videos.
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