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Monitor for video editing 4K?

PostThu Apr 09, 2020 8:15 pm

Hi i want a monitor for video editing at good ratio quality/price. My budget is near 1500$.
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Re: Monitor for video editing 4K?

PostThu Apr 09, 2020 8:21 pm

You want a GUI monitor, or an external for QC?
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Monitor for video editing 4K?

PostFri Apr 10, 2020 6:27 pm

The LG 5K Ultrafine might do as a GUI editor allowing pixel-for-pixel rendition of the 4K video. I thinks there’s several hundreds of dollars off today if you go to AppleInsider.


Today only: 13" MacBook Pros (2019) drop to $899, LG UltraFine 5K display $799
http://appleinsider.com/articles/20/04/ ... isplay-799
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Re: Monitor for video editing 4K?

PostSat Apr 11, 2020 2:59 pm

I have a PC computer not a Mac. Which one is a good solution for PC?
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Re: Monitor for video editing 4K?

PostSat Apr 11, 2020 3:17 pm

The Asus ProArt PA32UC 32.0" 3840x2160 60 Hz is pretty good for the price.
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Re: Monitor for video editing 4K?

PostSun Apr 12, 2020 2:52 pm

Michael Moore wrote:I have a PC computer not a Mac. Which one is a good solution for PC?


The OS won't matter. What does matter is if you're looking for a GUI monitor, or an external QC monitor?
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Re: Monitor for video editing 4K?

PostThu Apr 16, 2020 5:19 am

ASUS PA329Q could be a good investment?
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Re: Monitor for video editing 4K?

PostThu Apr 16, 2020 1:49 pm

That depends. Are you looking for a GUI monitor, or an external QC monitor?
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Re: Monitor for video editing 4K?

PostThu Apr 23, 2020 6:03 pm

Jim Simon wrote:That depends. Are you looking for a GUI monitor, or an external QC monitor?

I don't know what to answer...Could to put here few link with yours favorite monitor for video editing? In max 1500$ range?
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Re: Monitor for video editing 4K?

PostThu Apr 23, 2020 6:10 pm

Michael Moore wrote:I don't know what to answer.


Well, are you looking for a normal computer monitor so you can work on your computer? This is good for editing, effects, audio, media management, exporting...normal computer use.

Or are you wanting to do some color grading, which needs an external monitor?

The first hooks up to your GPU, nVidia or AMD. The second connects to something like the following:

https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/products/decklink
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Re: Monitor for video editing 4K?

PostThu Apr 23, 2020 6:34 pm

Jim Simon wrote:
Michael Moore wrote:I don't know what to answer.


Well, are you looking for a normal computer monitor so you can work on your computer? This is good for editing, effects, audio, media management, exporting...normal computer use.

Or are you wanting to do some color grading, which needs an external monitor?

The first hooks up to your GPU, nVidia or AMD. The second connects to something like the following:

https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/products/decklink


This is my PC configuration:

Gigabyte Aorus TRX40 AORUS PRO WIFI, Socket TRX4
2xCorsair Vengeance LPX Black 32GB, DDR4, 3200MHz, CL16, Dual Channel Kit
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This is my monitor whislist:
Dell Ultrasharp UP3216Q
Dell Ultrasharp U3219Q
BenQ PD3200U
BenQ SW271
BenQ PV3200PT
ASUS PA329Q
ASUS ProArt PA32UC
LG 34UC80-B monitor
LG 32UD99-W
Eizo ColorEdge CG318-4K
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Re: Monitor for video editing 4K?

PostThu Apr 23, 2020 6:54 pm

Michael Moore wrote:
Jim Simon wrote:
Michael Moore wrote:I don't know what to answer.


Well, are you looking for a normal computer monitor so you can work on your computer? This is good for editing, effects, audio, media management, exporting...normal computer use.

Or are you wanting to do some color grading, which needs an external monitor?

The first hooks up to your GPU, nVidia or AMD. The second connects to something like the following:

https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/products/decklink


This is my PC configuration:

Gigabyte Aorus TRX40 AORUS PRO WIFI, Socket TRX4
2xCorsair Vengeance LPX Black 32GB, DDR4, 3200MHz, CL16, Dual Channel Kit
Hard disk WD Black, 6TB, 7200RPM, SATA-III, 256MB
GIGABYTE AORUS GeForce® RTX 2080 SUPER™ Waterforce, 8GB GDDR6, 256-bit
ProcesorAMD Ryzen™ Threadripper™ 3960X, 128MB, 4.5Ghz, socket TRX4
Solid State Drive (SSD) Seagate BarraCuda 520, 2TB, M.2
Corsair RM-X Series RM850x, 850W, 80 PLUS Gold
CPU Noctua NH-U14S TR4-SP3
Fractal Design Define R6 Black

This is my monitor whislist:
Dell Ultrasharp UP3216Q
Dell Ultrasharp U3219Q
BenQ PD3200U
BenQ SW271
BenQ PV3200PT
ASUS PA329Q
ASUS ProArt PA32UC
LG 34UC80-B monitor
LG 32UD99-W
Eizo ColorEdge CG318-4K
ViewSonic VP2468



You need 2 monitors, 1 for editing (not color critical) and one for color grading (the ones you mention above) a color critical one.
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Re: Monitor for video editing 4K?

PostThu Apr 23, 2020 7:53 pm

MishaEngel wrote:
You need 2 monitors, 1 for editing (not color critical) and one for color grading (the ones you mention above) a color critical one.


I own already a Dell P2715Q. I want to buy just another single monitor, not two. I want a monitor that cover well 100 Adone RGB, Rec 709 (maybe even Rec 2020), DCI-P, but also to protect my eyes with flicker free and low blue light. Which to chose?
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Re: Monitor for video editing 4K?

PostThu Apr 23, 2020 9:53 pm

Michael Moore wrote:
MishaEngel wrote:
You need 2 monitors, 1 for editing (not color critical) and one for color grading (the ones you mention above) a color critical one.


I own already a Dell P2715Q. I want to buy just another single monitor, not two. I want a monitor that cover well 100 Adone RGB, Rec 709 (maybe even Rec 2020), DCI-P, but also to protect my eyes with flicker free and low blue light. Which to chose?


They are all pretty good and a step higher in quality will set you back atleast $3..4k.
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Re: Monitor for video editing 4K?

PostSat Apr 25, 2020 10:31 am

A friend tell me that its not ok to use a expensive good monitor for all arround purpose: video editing and color corrector same time. Him tell me that if i use a display port connection from my GIGABYTE AORUS GeForce® RTX 2080 SUPER™ graphic card to a expensive monitor like ASUS ProArt PA32UC /Dell Ultrasharp UP2718Q Windows will distort the color accuracy very much. Him tell me that in same money the solution is to buy a cheaper monitor just for editing and to buy a Blackmagic Design DeckLink Mini Monitor 4K and a TV OLED like LG C7 just for color correction. Its true that Windows distort color and never mind what monitor you buy if you use a direct connection between graphic card and the monitor? Somebody here use a single good monitor for both video editing and color corrector?
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Re: Monitor for video editing 4K?

PostSat Apr 25, 2020 11:53 am

That was good advice. You'll want to see the colors without any interference by Windows.
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Re: Monitor for video editing 4K?

PostSun Apr 26, 2020 6:31 am

All of you don't use the monitor directly from graphic card ?All of you make a bypass to avoid Wondows color interference with a Blackmagic 4K playback monitor and a OLED TV for color corection?
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Re: Monitor for video editing 4K?

PostSun Apr 26, 2020 6:58 am

Many who are just learning the software or make home movies don't care.

Plus, you can monitor your colors with a cheap Mini Monitor device and a reasonably calibrated monitor, even if your final product is in 4K. It all depends on your audience and if you care that they see what you are seeing.
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Re: Monitor for video editing 4K?

PostSun Apr 26, 2020 8:45 am

you don't really need a 4k monitor to edit, if you color grade then it is usefull but just for editing i don't see the point
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PostSun Apr 26, 2020 8:48 am

IMHO, it's the other way around: for your GUI when editing you want plenty of screen estate, but any cheap 4K monitor will do. For color grading, a separate HD monitor will do, but it should be calibrated.
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Re: Monitor for video editing 4K?

PostSun Apr 26, 2020 9:43 am

Actually really interesting.. are people using oled tv's as grading monitors? I'm using a flanders right now which is considered as top-end, but i never had that "feeling" with it..

I'm wondering, do other color graders use 2 or 3 of the exact same monitors? I mean, the gui monitor shapes your frame of reference for everything.. things you watch on youtube, vimeo, netflix, you name it.. My gui monitor is a very cheap one and looks very different. Im questioning this way of working. Im heavily influenced by what i see on my gui monitor and i cannot imagine other people can ignore that.. Should i buy the same flanders for the gui? Im even thinking that having 2 of the same consumer monitors/tv's would be better
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Re: Monitor for video editing 4K?

PostSun Apr 26, 2020 1:58 pm

Also if you are using a 60hz monitor for editing 24/25fps material you will have issues with how motion is rendered and this may be more important to how you edit film than getting a perfect colour grade.
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Re: Monitor for video editing 4K?

PostSun Apr 26, 2020 2:46 pm

Buy an LG OLED UHD TV.
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Re: Monitor for video editing 4K?

PostSun Apr 26, 2020 3:03 pm

Rick van den Berg wrote:Im heavily influenced by what i see on my gui monitor and i cannot imagine other people can ignore that.. Should i buy the same flanders for the gui? Im even thinking that having 2 of the same consumer monitors/tv's would be better


Strange, that this issue persists. Whether you're influenced or not by the computer monitor, that shouldn't be your reference for color correction. Your program will only look that way on your monitor, running Resolve. When you export the material, it won't look that way on youtube or in VLC (even on your monitor!), much less on broadcast TV or at the Cannes Film Festival.

If you're not finishing for commercial distribution, you'd probably be perfectly happy with the "clean feed" option of Studio, and one of the better consumer LCD TVs (or preferably, an LG OLED) calibrated as best you can manage. Ideally, you'd want to bring in a professional to calibrate it, but the commercial manufacturers have already agreed on a "feature film" setting for new TVs. How accurate it is for any given set remains to be seen.

But the computer monitor is not where you want to put your money. Using a Flanders for the GUI would be a big waste.
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Re: Monitor for video editing 4K?

PostSun Apr 26, 2020 8:07 pm

Due to budget limitations, I think I’ll go this route next year after CES 2021. Hopefully by that time the new LG OLED offerings will have the Feature Film settings standardized and reasonably accurate. My Samsung LCD 2K/HDTV has a Movie setting and that’s what I rely on today with my Pro Display XDR GUI monitor set to Rec.709 to get me in the ballpark.

My former iMac 27” Retina set to Rec.709 wasn’t helpful at all in getting a proper image for the television sadly as I found there was a large difference with the new monitor.
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Re: Monitor for video editing 4K?

PostMon Apr 27, 2020 1:13 am

I can confirm that our "The Frame" by Samsung is pretty close to a proper monitor with its Movie setting.
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Re: Monitor for video editing 4K?

PostMon Apr 27, 2020 4:12 am

Thanks, Uli; good to have additional options.
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Re: Monitor for video editing 4K?

PostMon Apr 27, 2020 11:47 am

Uli Plank wrote:I can confirm that our "The Frame" by Samsung is pretty close to a proper monitor with its Movie setting.
Uli, this is interesting where the LG OLED was preferred to the Samsung Frame: read the FAQ. During the video you can see a difference in colour cast between the two that is mentioned but no way we can tell which is ‘correct.’

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PostMon Apr 27, 2020 12:08 pm

Well, I'm sure an OLED performs better regarding blacks, which may change the impression. And then, with mass-market devices, there might be quite some sample variation.

There is a reason why individually calibrated screens are expensive. Maybe I was just lucky, but my colors are close to a hand-calibrated EIZO. BTW, you don't need the rather pricey Frame, its sister TV models should perform the same. I just like to enjoy our photographs there when it's not in use.
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Re: Monitor for video editing 4K?

PostFri May 01, 2020 11:40 pm

No matter what monitor you choose, if you want *critical" monitor you need it calibrated. Many high end monitors (Dell, Eizo, etc.) and TV (LG, Sony, etc.) calibrate their panels in the factory. This is fine. But 2 things you should be aware of

1. ALL panels will shift/ migrate over time, especially with heavy usage. OLEDs are notorious for this.

2. Factory calibration can vary and store "shelf time" might affect it. Most will try to reach a Delta of 2. This is the industry acceptable level for errors beyond standard human vision. However, by the time you plug it in and start using it, the panel might have shifted.

Learn to calibrate a monitor. There is free software and owning a meter is definitely worth it.

I would take a $600 LED HDTV that I calibrated over a $1500 uncalibrated UHD OLED any day of the week.


On topic, I agree with LG OLEDs for home, hobbyist or secondary client monitor. It is especially great for HDR at target 600 nit level (can't reach 1000 nits).

I like Dell's UP2718Q also or other similar monitors from Eizo, ASUS, etc.

Careful with OLEDs and burn-in. This can be a problem when you grading and there is a graphic (lower 3rd) that is on screen for 5-10 min or longer.
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PostSat May 02, 2020 3:41 am

mpetech wrote:Learn to calibrate a monitor. There is free software and owning a meter is definitely worth it.


Seconded.
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Re: Monitor for video editing 4K?

PostSat May 02, 2020 3:55 am

mpetech wrote:...
Careful with OLEDs and burn-in. This can be a problem when you grading and there is a graphic (lower 3rd) that is on screen for 5-10 min or longer.


Haven’t yet committed to OLED, the greatest attraction being the ability to be black rather than dark grey. But if I go that route next year, I’d only use it to proof the actual videos so there’s always movement on screen, not graphics that are fixed locations as you describe. That would be heartbreaking in a way as it is going to interfere with your images.

Is there an acceptable procedure that will clear the burn-in?
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Re: Monitor for video editing 4K?

PostSat May 02, 2020 8:54 am

rick.lang wrote:
mpetech wrote:...
Careful with OLEDs and burn-in. This can be a problem when you grading and there is a graphic (lower 3rd) that is on screen for 5-10 min or longer.


Haven’t yet committed to OLED, the greatest attraction being the ability to be black rather than dark grey. But if I go that route next year, I’d only use it to proof the actual videos so there’s always movement on screen, not graphics that are fixed locations as you describe. That would be heartbreaking in a way as it is going to interfere with your images.

Is there an acceptable procedure that will clear the burn-in?


Not really, I have a LG 55 Oled purchased Dec-16. Heavy BurnIN and useless after 3 years of use.
Newer models could be better, dont know.

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Re: Monitor for video editing 4K?

PostSat May 02, 2020 4:30 pm

Jerry, I guess I’m just going to have to leave these true black experiences to those who can afford to replace TVs every other year. I usually try to buy a good quality set but keep it for several years. Unless there’s a no-frills OLED out there in 2021 that’s very inexpensive.

Would MicroLED (expensive) be a better (long-lasting) option as I believe that’s designed for deep blacks?
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Re: Monitor for video editing 4K?

PostSat May 02, 2020 4:53 pm

LG supposedly has done some work to improve it over Sony's OLED tech.

We have the Sony A1E 2018 (discontinued).

It is nice when proofing HDR footage and what it would look like in consumer monitors. However, it is DEFINITELY more vulnerable with HDR. Several minutes of the same bright footage (window, graphics, etc.) and you see a slight burn in.

We do have the 2019 C9 but only in our ProTools room. Moving forward we will replace those Sony with the LGs.
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PostSat May 02, 2020 5:11 pm

Thanks for your observations. HDR and proofing for a typical (OLED) customer experience would be my purpose in going that direction. Edited narrative work isn’t likely going to have a stationary very bright area or graphic for more than a minute; a camera clip could have many minutes, but when edited the clips would be much shorter as you cut beteeen angles and so on.

Maybe I’d be okay, but maybe adequate to just go with a non-OLED option. The OLED are priced low enough that I can see a period where they become very popular—but three years later with burnt screens, there will be buyers remorse and OLED will not dominate.

Game of Thrones was often a very poor viewing experience with its frequent dark scenes in which my old Samsung LCD couldn’t see much of anything. My thinking was a proper OLED would make a huge difference.
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Re: Monitor for video editing 4K?

PostSat May 02, 2020 7:06 pm

rick.lang wrote:Game of Thrones was often a very poor viewing experience with its frequent dark scenes in which my old Samsung LCD couldn’t see much of anything. My thinking was a proper OLED would make a huge difference.


It is interesting you bring this up. I think GoT famous dark episode suffered from the team watching the grade in a cinema-style environment and never tested it in a typical living room environment. Gamma of 2.6 vs 2.2. Panels capable of true blacks and high dynamic range vs cheaper uncalibrated TVs. On top of that, the broadcast compression just destroyed any shadow details, turning it in blobs.


I really like OLEDs. It is my preferred panel overall. But it is not flawless. I do plan to buy LG's 2020 offering for home use as well as replacing the secondary large Sony OLEDs in our grading room (we use the Sony BVM-X300 and A250 as the primary grading monitors).

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