Getting a new MacBook Pro (for DaVinci Resolve)?

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Getting a new MacBook Pro (for DaVinci Resolve)?

PostMon Jul 27, 2020 10:13 pm

Hi all,

Currently I'm running a 13" 2016 MBP for my business (IT consultancy, nothing to do with Resolve, which is my hobby) and I'm thinking of getting a 16" MBP as a replacement - main concern is better battery life of the 16" compared to 13". I'm using iTerm/Terminal and MS Office as a main tool for business so every laptop will suffice, I'd guess, so this is not a concern.
As a hobby I am shooting with BMPCC4K (maybe I'll get a 6K in the near future, but again - this is just a hobby) so I'm thinking if getting a "maxed-out" MBP 16" for my daily work as well as an offline editing machine (final rendering will be done on my wife's HP Z8).
The question is if there's a big difference in performance between AMD Radeon Pro 5500M with 8GB of GDDR6 va AMD Radeon Pro 5600M с 8GB HBM2 (in terms of Resolve) that will justify the price difference of ~805€=USD950? As you can imagine I'm used to offline editing but if I can get a "near real-time" one I'd be very happy.
Apple Silicons will come later in the picture when the warranty period of this 16" MBP will be over, so this is not a concern...
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Re: Getting a new MacBook Pro (for DaVinci Resolve)?

PostMon Jul 27, 2020 10:31 pm

OK, my main concern is the performance gain... That 805€ will not break the bank but if the performance gain will be less than 10% I would hardly justify the purchase with my wife...
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Re: Getting a new MacBook Pro (for DaVinci Resolve)?

PostMon Jul 27, 2020 11:33 pm

Here is some data to help you make that decision. This site measures the newer laptop against Resolve, as well as other machines.

https://barefeats.com
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Re: Getting a new MacBook Pro (for DaVinci Resolve)?

PostMon Jul 27, 2020 11:48 pm

You can keep your current Macbook Pro for all other work, and get an MSI laptop for $1100 with 32 GB RAM, and a 6 GB GTX nvidia card (it should run 4k BRAW fine, even with grading and plugins on top). I bet it'd be faster for Resolve than your current Macbook just because you get an nvidia card that Resolve generally prefers to get accelerated fully. The MSI laptop I saw earlier used an Intel Core i7-9750H @ 2.60GHz that has a passmark for 11500 points, which while it's not really fast compared to newer CPUs, it's much higher than my 8000 points CPU that I use without problems with BRAW 4k. And especially the new BRAW version, in the new SDK currently in beta, decodes faster. So I don't think you need to spend much to have good performance with BRAW 4k.

And if you can spend a bit more, consider the Lenovo Legion 7 laptop, for $1700, because it comes with a faster CPU, 8 GB RTX 2070-Qmax, 32 GB RAM, and most improtantly: 100% SRGB screen color gamut (most cheaper laptops barely touch 50%).

So if something like that does the job and helps you save money in this economy, you should consider this solution, even if it's not a sexy one.
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Re: Getting a new MacBook Pro (for DaVinci Resolve)?

PostThu Jul 30, 2020 12:33 am

Sorry for resurrecting this thread, but I just came across the best deal on the internet just an hour ago, and I already purchased this laptop for myself (I'm not affiliated btw, this is simply what I bought with my own money): https://deals.dell.com/en-us/mpp/productdetail/52g5

As I write this, the price for this laptop was only $1550 (plus another $130 on B&H to manually upgrade the RAM to 32 GB).

For that price it's unbeatable, because not only it has the highest end GPU for laptops (8 GB nvidia RTX 2080 Max-Q), but it also comes with a 4k OLED DCI-P3 100% screen, which is almost unheard of on a laptop. This is the best screen anyone can get for color grading on a laptop today, miles better than the 120 hz or 240hz full HD 72% SRGB screens that are usually found on other gaming laptops.

The rest of the specs are normal, nothing extraordinary, but nothing is really missing either (you still get a 4k/60hz on external monitor, if you so desire). I think the only thing missing is the backlit keyboard (but not sure if it has it or not, it doesn't specify, it's optional).
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Re: Getting a new MacBook Pro (for DaVinci Resolve)?

PostThu Jul 30, 2020 4:56 am

Eugenia Loli wrote:For that price it's unbeatable, because not only it has the highest end GPU for laptops (8 GB nvidia RTX 2080 Max-Q), but it also comes with a 4k OLED DCI-P3 100% screen, which is almost unheard of on a laptop. This is the best screen anyone can get for color grading on a laptop today, miles better than the 120 hz or 240hz full HD 72% SRGB screens that are usually found on other gaming laptops.

I think it's a very, very bad idea to try to color-correct on a laptop. Read pages 2362-23633 of the Resolve 16.2 manual, "Limitations When Grading With the Viewer on a Computer Display." This explains why it's unwise to try to use a computer display for final color correction. The same problem exists with the "Clean Feed" output, since it's not color managed.
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Re: Getting a new MacBook Pro (for DaVinci Resolve)?

PostThu Jul 30, 2020 7:08 am

Normally I'd agree with you. But this is an OLED 100% DCI-P3 monitor. It's as good as it's going to get on a laptop today. A lot of people prefer laptops, even if they won't get super-accurate colors. Besides, many pro colorists are using OLED TVs to grade. Not special monitors: TVs.
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Re: Getting a new MacBook Pro (for DaVinci Resolve)?

PostThu Jul 30, 2020 9:19 am

Eugenia Loli wrote:Normally I'd agree with you. But this is an OLED 100% DCI-P3 monitor. It's as good as it's going to get on a laptop today. A lot of people prefer laptops, even if they won't get super-accurate colors. Besides, many pro colorists are using OLED TVs to grade. Not special monitors: TVs.

Yes but these OLED goes through calibration and a view lut.
And still they are not perfect.


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Re: Getting a new MacBook Pro (for DaVinci Resolve)?

PostThu Jul 30, 2020 10:38 am

It all depends who you are working for. If it's only YT, nobody really cares.
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Re: Getting a new MacBook Pro (for DaVinci Resolve)?

PostThu Jul 30, 2020 10:42 am

For the same money you can get a mid spec mbp every three years or a high spec model every five. With Apple moving to ARM it might not be the time to double down on a premium machine.

My 2016 mbp is chugging through the 12k Braw demo files at 12k and cruising through them at 2k. If you’re at the threshhold of performance a 20% faster gpu isn’t going to make a significant contribution. If you’re getting 9fps you need 300-500% improvement which means workflow changes not a moderately faster machine.

I’d take extra space over the gpu, having a couple TBs of screaming fast storage is never a bad thing.

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Re: Getting a new MacBook Pro (for DaVinci Resolve)?

PostThu Jul 30, 2020 12:51 pm

danielpanev wrote:Hi all,
The question is if there's a big difference in performance between AMD Radeon Pro 5500M with 8GB of GDDR6 va AMD Radeon Pro 5600M с 8GB HBM2 (in terms of Resolve) that will justify the price difference of ~805€=USD950? As you can imagine I'm used to offline editing but if I can get a "near real-time" one I'd be very happy.

I can tell you that the 4GB memory of the 5300 is the first thing that hits the ceiling on a MPB 16". So 8 instead 4 is well worth it for €120. But I would not spend another €730 for the 5600 instead of the 5500.
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PostSat Aug 01, 2020 4:11 am

Eugenia Loli wrote:As I write this, the price for this laptop was only $1550 (plus another $130 on B&H to manually upgrade the RAM to 32 GB).

For that price it's unbeatable, because not only it has the highest end GPU for laptops (8 GB nvidia RTX 2080 Max-Q), but it also comes with a 4k OLED DCI-P3 100% screen, which is almost unheard of on a laptop. This is the best screen anyone can get for color grading on a laptop today, miles better than the 120 hz or 240hz full HD 72% SRGB screens that are usually found on other gaming laptops.


The spec looks nice but only 2 days later and I don't even find one offering a 2080 Max-Q option, only 2070 Max-Q.
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Re: Getting a new MacBook Pro (for DaVinci Resolve)?

PostSat Aug 01, 2020 10:30 pm

The spec looks nice but only 2 days later and I don't even find one offering a 2080 Max-Q option, only 2070 Max-Q.


That laptop I linked went out of stock within a day.
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Re: Getting a new MacBook Pro (for DaVinci Resolve)?

PostSun Aug 02, 2020 12:02 am

Eugenia Loli wrote:
That laptop I linked went out of stock within a day.


You should have emailed me!! Just kidding...neighbor. I'm in Sequim. :)
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Re: Getting a new MacBook Pro (for DaVinci Resolve)?

PostMon Aug 03, 2020 8:19 pm

Thank you all for your answers. Having a second laptop is out of question - it's cumbersome enough to travel with a single laptop and the BMPCC4K alone ;) I think I'll just go with the AMD Radeon Pro 5500M with 8GB of GDDR6...

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