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Rumor: NVIDIA Moving Ampere to 7nm TSMC in 2021.

PostTue Sep 01, 2020 5:07 pm

Hi.

In a Live NVIDIA GeForce Special Event 2020 from Jensen Huang's kitchen, he just introduced the new GeForce RTX 3070, RTX 3080, and RTX 3090 Graphics Cards:

https://www.anandtech.com/show/16060/th ... -live-blog

Two of them are scheduled for September and the RTX 3070 for October.

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PostTue Sep 01, 2020 5:24 pm

Great news, the RTX 3090 is going to be great for Resolve.

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PostTue Sep 01, 2020 5:47 pm

Before ordering the Founders edition, better to make sure that it will fit your chassis. The card is apparently 308mm long. Perhaps a 3rd party edition will be shorter.
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And you'll need quite some power and good cooling…
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PostTue Sep 01, 2020 7:46 pm

David Cherniack wrote:Before ordering the Founders edition, better to make sure that it will fit your chassis. The card is apparently 308mm long. Perhaps a 3rd party edition will be shorter.


It will also consume a ton of power and dump most of the heat over the CPU.

Also people should be cautious here with the specs. Asus 3090 leaked 2 hours before the presentation with 5K CUDA cores which then Huang turned into 10K after the presentation. I mean 30 ''shader flops'' looks better than 17TFLOPS...

Wait for benchmarks before you sell your 2080Tis, they hid the raster performance and showed only raytracing and garbage dlss.
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PostTue Sep 01, 2020 7:58 pm

IvanovS wrote:Wait for benchmarks


This is the only thing really worth mentioning right now.
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PostTue Sep 01, 2020 8:07 pm

IvanovS wrote:Also people should be cautious here with the specs. Asus 3090 leaked 2 hours before the presentation with 5K CUDA cores which then Huang turned into 10K after the presentation.

I was just having this conversation. I guess we'll see.
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PostTue Sep 01, 2020 8:22 pm

At the very least it should see some stellar deals on 2080 and 2080ti cards in coming weeks as retailers try to clear stocks and users prepare to upgrade.

So, even if the 30-series don't live up to the claims, the price-point and "perceived" benefits that gamers will be chasing is going to knock 20-series prices for six!

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PostTue Sep 01, 2020 8:35 pm

IvanovS wrote:Also people should be cautious here with the specs. Asus 3090 leaked 2 hours before the presentation with 5K CUDA cores which then Huang turned into 10K after the presentation.


The website does claim 10k, specifically 10496.
https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/gr ... /rtx-3090/
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PostTue Sep 01, 2020 8:56 pm

Dan Sherman wrote:
IvanovS wrote:Also people should be cautious here with the specs. Asus 3090 leaked 2 hours before the presentation with 5K CUDA cores which then Huang turned into 10K after the presentation.


The website does claim 10k, specifically 10496.
https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/gr ... /rtx-3090/


Exactly. The leaked Asus cards with specs showed 5248 which is exactly...half. Its easier to change the meaning of stuff like Huang likes to do, adding metrics that no one uses. Calling TFLOPS ''shader flops'' and so on. Having the Ampere SM do 2xFP32 operations per clock (vs Turing's fp32 and int32) doesn't magically turn 5k cores into 10k. Wait for benchmarks and see if its more than Huang's fluff. Because at this moment it all seems like fluff.
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I just got the EOS R5 and dealing with the 8K files (H265) is a major PITA, haven't tried RAW yet but hopefully these cards can help.
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RTX 3090 - Claimed to be "10x quieter and runs 30 degrees cooler than the Titan RTX".
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PostTue Sep 01, 2020 11:17 pm

Craziness has started. There are a lot of people listing 2080Tis on ebay for 450usd. Without benchmarks...wow.
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PostTue Sep 01, 2020 11:21 pm

IvanovS wrote:Craziness has started. There are a lot of people listing 2080Tis on ebay for 450usd. Without benchmarks...wow.


I will take two, thanks.
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PostTue Sep 01, 2020 11:26 pm

waltervolpatto wrote:
IvanovS wrote:Craziness has started. There are a lot of people listing 2080Tis on ebay for 450usd. Without benchmarks...wow.


I will take two, thanks.


Might not be a bad idea. Without benchmarks, I wouldn't sell my 2080Ti for 450(lol) based on Huang's marketing slides that a 3070 is faster...since he didn't say faster in what. Faster in fake raytracing? Who cares about that.
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PostTue Sep 01, 2020 11:40 pm

3090 with 24GB of vram that should be enough to work in 8K, that card will be a workhorse for a while.
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PostWed Sep 02, 2020 1:04 am

Wouldn't it be a good idea to wait to see what AMD offers? The rumors indicate that the AMD RDNA2 card will have 16GB VRAM which could be useful for Fusion, compared to the 3080's 10GB and the 3070's 8GB VRAM.
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rsf123 wrote:Wouldn't it be a good idea to wait to see what AMD offers? The rumors indicate that the AMD RDNA2 card will have 16GB VRAM which could be useful for Fusion, compared to the 3080's 10GB and the 3070's 8GB VRAM.


I'm also curious about the new AMD cards and the new 4000 series of ryzen processors as well. Now I have an nVidia card but was considering switching to an AMD card at some point. I know in the past resolve may have supported Nvidia products better but is this still true? Can anyone here attest?
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rsf123 wrote:Wouldn't it be a good idea to wait to see what AMD offers? The rumors indicate that the AMD RDNA2 card will have 16GB VRAM which could be useful for Fusion, compared to the 3080's 10GB and the 3070's 8GB VRAM.

Yes. Some commentators have speculated that NVidia really wanted to beat AMD to market with this release. They may not offer a single card as powerful (and expensive) as the 3090, but it would be nice if they hit similar performance to a 3080 with more VRAM.
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PostWed Sep 02, 2020 7:48 am

Rumors claimed 3080/3070 and also 3060 versions (super? Ti?) with double VRAM (respectively 20, 16, 12 GB), that's the ones I'll be interested.
I fear that those, if ever come to market, will be overpriced Quadro parts.
Sincerely the 3080 with 10GB doesn't impress me.
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kobayashi wrote: Sincerely the 3080 with 10GB doesn't impress me. Cant wait to see the Radeon offering.


On one hand, I really want the higher 16GB VRAM for use with Fusion that is rumored with the AMD RDNA2 card, but the NVIDIA Omniverse Machinima app is something I really want to work with for 3D models that can be imported into Fusion. So I am torn in two directions.
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PostWed Sep 02, 2020 1:27 pm

I'm genuinely interested to see whether a single 3090 outperforms dual-3080s (or even dual 3070s) to such a degree that it warrants the price for most users. Hell, dual 2080 TIs are enough for nearly all* Resolve use-cases.

If I had to guess, here's what we'll see shake out:

- x1 RTX 3090 with its 24GB of VRAM outperforms both x2 RTX 3080s & x2 RTX 3070s w/r/t "heavy-lifting" functions (noise reduction, OFX, Fusion, etc)
- x2 RTX 3080s & x2 RXT 3070s perform comparably to (and likely even outperforms) x1 RTX 3090 w/r/t normal playback & debayering of RAW media.
- x2 RTX 3080s beat x2 RTX 3070s in all categories, because...numbers. But for users who primarily work in 1080p/2k timelines with media such as ProRes-acquired ARRI footage (mid-tier commercials, indie narratives, some network shows), the performance difference between the two is negligible outside of caching/render times.

In any case, very excited to see exhaustive benchmarks from the likes of the fellas over at Puget Systems!

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PostWed Sep 02, 2020 4:32 pm

rsf123 wrote:Wouldn't it be a good idea to wait to see what AMD offers?


I don't think so, because AMD will never have CUDA.
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Jim Simon wrote:
rsf123 wrote:Wouldn't it be a good idea to wait to see what AMD offers?


I don't think so, because AMD will never have CUDA.


ROFL. AMD will never have the proprietary nvidia programming language and cores. Shocking :).
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IvanovS wrote:ROFL. AMD will never have the proprietary nvidia programming language and cores. Shocking :).

Yeah, and Apple will never use Intel... oh, hang on...

Well Apple will never use intel *again* :-)
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RCModelReviews wrote:
IvanovS wrote:ROFL. AMD will never have the proprietary nvidia programming language and cores. Shocking :).

Yeah, and Apple will never use Intel... oh, hang on...

Well Apple will never use intel *again* :-)


Not sure what this has to do with the above? :?
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Will these cards work with current egpu boxes ?(thunderbolt 3)


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ricardo marty wrote:Will these cards work with current egpu boxes ?(thunderbolt 3)

The bottleneck is going to be pretty bad from this generation on.
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G0bble wrote:RTX 3090 - Claimed to be "10x quieter and runs 30 degrees cooler than the Titan RTX".


10x quiter? It means you should barely hear it which we all know it's not going to be true at all :D
Sounds like an antiperspirant which lasts for 72 hours :lol:
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chrissobel wrote:I'm also curious about the new AMD cards and the new 4000 series of ryzen processors as well. Now I have an nVidia card but was considering switching to an AMD card at some point. I know in the past resolve may have supported Nvidia products better but is this still true? Can anyone here attest?


The reality is that nVidia's been well ahead of AMD, so of course Resolve runs better on nVidia hardware... there's a reason that the Navi line was cheap, while the 2080Ti price tag remained high. It had no real competition.

AMD knew it, but it's been part of the plan all along: use the console contracts to keep the company alive, kick Intel in the danglies, and invest some of the revenue in the Radeon Technologies Group.

AMD is still sandbagging on RDNA2, but we have at least a hint of what it's going to be able to do in the console demos, which will almost certainly equate to at most mid-range discrete RDNA2 GPUs.

The GPU marketplace hasn't been competitive for years, but I'm hopeful that with this generation that it will be competitive at last. And next spring it will become a three-way competition when Intel gets its TSMC-fabricated discrete GPUs out the door.

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AMD has always been slow compared to NVidia, atleast when we look at Resolve.
https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/DaVinci-Resolve-15-AMD-Radeon-VII-16GB-Performance-1382/. AMD is also way more expensive with their $700 Radeon VII compared to the much cheaper $2500 RTX Titan, it's good to read that NVidia is raising their prices from $2500 to $1500 for the 24 GB GPU (RTX 3090).
Another problem with AMD cards is that they always run out of memory in Resolve. You need atleast 6 GB of VRAM on your GPU (RX 5600XT) to proces 8k(slashcam.de), with NVidia 20.4 GB(RTX Titan) should be enough according to Matt Bach from Puget(but what does he know).


For now the specs .of the new NVidia cards look promising, let's hope they turn out to be great.
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MishaEngel wrote:AMD has always been slow compared to NVidia, atleast when we look at Resolve.
https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/DaVinci-Resolve-15-AMD-Radeon-VII-16GB-Performance-1382/.


Okay, so you had your joke. What would be really interesting is adjusting the Radeon VII benchmark advantage over the 2080, which Puget puts at a world-shaking 13%, for time spent on equipment forums (including this one--look at Radeon VII threads, not so encouraging?), looking (or just hoping) for drivers that work, watching "instructional" youtubes, letting the machine cool-off because you can't the stand the noise any more....

At some point, folks need to decide whether their chief interest is work or gear.
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PostThu Sep 03, 2020 1:50 pm

No doubt, once the 3070, 3080 and 3090 cards are available, there will be testing and benchmarks, particularly from the team at Puget Systems.

However, I wonder if, in the meantime, Blackmagic has not been evolving version 17 of Davinci and Fusion to make more effective use of CPU cores, and the GPU. So even if people do benchmarks with existing Davinci and Fusion test software, maybe it might all need to be re-evaluated after version 17 of Davinci launches.

BTW, it would be rather sad if 2020 passed without Davinci Resolve 17 being at least revealed in beta ;)
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John Paines wrote:
MishaEngel wrote:AMD has always been slow compared to NVidia, atleast when we look at Resolve.
https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/DaVinci-Resolve-15-AMD-Radeon-VII-16GB-Performance-1382/.


Okay, so you had your joke. What would be really interesting is adjusting the Radeon VII benchmark advantage over the 2080, which Puget puts at a world-shaking 13%, for time spent on equipment forums (including this one--look at Radeon VII threads, not so encouraging?), looking (or just hoping) for drivers that work, watching "instructional" youtubes, letting the machine cool-off because you can't the stand the noise any more....

At some point, folks need to decide whether their chief interest is work or gear.


And one should keep in mind the difference between running AMD on a Mac with Metal or on a PC with OpenCL where the Resolve RT performance compared to CUDA is nowhere near comparable.
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PostThu Sep 03, 2020 2:06 pm

MishaEngel wrote: For now the specs .of the new NVidia cards look promising, let's hope they turn out to be great.



Hi.

I have problems to find the fp32 performance of the new nVidea Ampere Graphics card, to find out how fast they will be in Resolve. I can find a couple of links stating the fp32 performance. But as I remember, did I see the same numbers as rumors from the same sites. And think they just kept the numbers they already had as rumors. So I don't think that I can trust these numbers. I am looking for a fp32 performance number we can trust on.


But here is a link, I will like the share with you:

QUOTE: 'SwAY256 - Tuesday, September 1, 2020
I strongly suspect that the "Shader FLOPS" are not "2x FP32" but in fact BFLOAT16 FLOPS as seen in the A100 Ampere GPU. If there were really FP32 FLOPS, it would be labeled as FP32. As Microsoft is always talking about TFLOPS for the next xbox, I guess that NVIDIA wanted to respond.

That means that the 10k CUDA cores are a marketing trick to say that there are 5k CUDA Cores that are capable of working on floats that have the same dynamic as FP32 but far less precision (BFLOAT16).

If that's correct, I don't know the impact of using BF16 instead of FP32 in game rendering.

Anonomouse - Tuesday, September 1, 2020
Nvidia's website literally says "2x FP32 throughput" (https://www.nvidia.com/da-dk/geforce/gr ... wmfg_en-us)

SwAY256 - Wednesday, September 2, 2020
Yes but that's what they said for A100. Turned out that it was a "mixed precision FP32" (BF16 in fact). Given that A100 has 19.5 FP32 TFLOPS and 39 BF16 TFLOPS, I wouldn't be surprised that GF3090 has 18/36.'

From: https://www.anandtech.com/show/16057/nv ... 0-rtx-3090

User Comments page 26.

If SwAY256 are right, will the RTX 3090 have a Resolve performance of 18 fp32 TFLOPS.

What we need is Independent Reviews with the correct fp32 performance.

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David Cherniack wrote:
And one should keep in mind the difference between running AMD on a Mac with Metal or on a PC with OpenCL where the Resolve RT performance compared to CUDA is nowhere near comparable.


The Performance of CUDA is great, the memory handling (or the lack of it) is anonther story.
4.6k with a lot of effects forces you to buy a RTX Titan when you want to use CUDA with Resolve, the good thing is that they only cost $2500.
The only reason we switched to AMD GPU's is their overall performance in Resolve. The Radeon VII's run really quitte/cool/fast with two of those brown/beige Austrian fans attached to it. Just don't switch drivers when the ones you use work (if it aint broken don't try to fix it).

Performance is pretty comparable https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/DaVinci-Resolve-15-AMD-Radeon-VII-16GB-Performance-1382/ and even the cheap AMD cards won't run out of memory with the new 12k standard.(With 1080p the RTX 2080 ti is really fast).
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MishaEngel wrote:The Performance of CUDA is great, the memory handling (or the lack of it) is anonther story.
4.6k with a lot of effects forces you to buy a RTX Titan when you want to use CUDA with Resolve, the good thing is that they only cost $2500.
The only reason we switched to AMD GPU's is their overall performance in Resolve. The Radeon VII's run really quitte/cool/fast with two of those brown/beige Austrian fans attached to it. Just don't switch drivers when the ones you use work (if it aint broken don't try to fix it).

Performance is pretty comparable https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/DaVinci-Resolve-15-AMD-Radeon-VII-16GB-Performance-1382/ and even the cheap AMD cards won't run out of memory with the new 12k standard.(With 1080p the RTX 2080 ti is really fast).



You're still discounting widely reported dissatisfaction, as seen on this board, with the Radeon VII. And most users won't want to engage in jerry-rigged solutions ("two of brown/beige Austrian fans attached to it"). Your thoughts on drivers ("Just don't switch drivers when the ones you use work (if it aint broken don't try to fix it") are also deeply reassuring.

If you're happy, great. But this relentless promotion of a far from universally acclaimed product -- you routinely seem to suggest that anyone who buys a nvidia card is an idiot -- is strange.

Some people love to fool with and tune equipment. Others get pleasure from having the fastest or the best perceived bargain. Most of the rest of us have other priorities.
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PostThu Sep 03, 2020 6:47 pm

John Paines wrote:Your thoughts on drivers ("Just don't switch drivers when the ones you use work (if it aint broken don't try to fix it") are also deeply reassuring.


To be fair, this was very much the case for Nvidia drivers as well...
Even now there are posts of people asking if a new driver is actually stable, and many mentions of unstable installations of resolve get the recomendation to use a certain (older) Nvidia driver.
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rsf123 wrote:BTW, it would be rather sad if 2020 passed without Davinci Resolve 17 being at least revealed in beta ;)

No, it would be rather sad if DR17 was released before most of the longer-standing bugs in DR16 were fixed :-)
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Wouter Bouwens wrote:To be fair, this was very much the case for Nvidia drivers as well...
Even now there are posts of people asking if a new driver is actually stable, and many mentions of unstable installations of resolve get the recomendation to use a certain (older) Nvidia driver.


As always, it's a matter of degree. Based on reports here and elsewhere, driver instability is far more common with AMD GPUs, and the fixes are slower to come. And no wonder: nvidia has about twice the current gaming market share, and a much larger user base overall.

The idea here isn't to insult anyone's dog, girlfriend, boyfriend, GPU preferences, whatever. Just fair warning. Know what you're getting into. If that "great new product" costs you your time, it may not be such a bargain after all. A 10 second render advantage won't be all that valuable if you spend days or weeks trying to sort out system instability.
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What is good if AMD comes out with something good, is to force Nvidia to compete
and competition is good for us, like Carsten says.
Theres too much of a gap right now in the 30x0 lineup between top tier and mid range, surely they are waiting the AMD move to fill it with some parts, like the alleged "twice the vram" cards.
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kobayashi wrote: Theres too much of a gap right now in the 30x0 lineup between top tier and mid range, surely they are waiting the AMD move to fill it with some parts, like the alleged "twice the vram" cards.


Hi.

Quote: 'GDDR6X does come with one somewhat immediate drawback however: capacity. While Micron has plans for 16Gbit chips in the future, to start things out today they’re only making 8Gbit chips'

From: https://www.anandtech.com/show/16057/nv ... 0-rtx-3090

Personally I first expect to see the "twice the vram" cards, when Micron change, from the new current 8Gbit chips to the 16Gbit chips sometime in the future.

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John Paines wrote:
Wouter Bouwens wrote:To be fair, this was very much the case for Nvidia drivers as well...
Even now there are posts of people asking if a new driver is actually stable, and many mentions of unstable installations of resolve get the recomendation to use a certain (older) Nvidia driver.


As always, it's a matter of degree. Based on reports here and elsewhere, driver instability is far more common with AMD GPUs, and the fixes are slower to come. And no wonder: nvidia has about twice the current gaming market share, and a much larger user base overall.

The idea here isn't to insult anyone's dog, girlfriend, boyfriend, GPU preferences, whatever. Just fair warning. Know what you're getting into. If that "great new product" costs you your time, it may not be such a bargain after all. A 10 second render advantage won't be all that valuable if you spend days or weeks trying to sort out system instability.


What are all these reports here and "elsewhere"? You seem to promote this idiotic idea in every thread that "Intel and Nvidia" are some sort of magic stable pieces of engineering and that everyone who buys those will never have any sort of driver problems.

You do realize that between AMD and Nvidia, the ones that had a driver that literally made GPUs fry themselves was ...Nvidia...980Tis...not that long ago.Why do you think Apple dumped Nvidia?

Just google AMD vs Nvidia driver stability and see what comes up mate. From different sources.

The fact that you seem to think that some whiners on forums or reddit that probably have no clue about what they're doing represent driver stability for any of these companies is mind boggling at best...
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IvanovS wrote:You seem to promote this idiotic idea in every thread that "Intel and Nvidia" are some sort of magic stable pieces of engineering and that everyone who buys those will never have any sort of driver problems.


I believe you're confusing me with someone else here you were fighting with recently, probably Jim Simon. I haven't opined on Intel or nvidia, beyond this thread, in several months, at the earliest.

AMD certainly does have a remarkable cheering squad here. What motivates it, I don't really understand. Beyond that, your "idiotic" this and "idiotic" that, in this thread and elsewhere, doesn't suggest useful discussion is forthcoming. You'll need to find someone else to fight with here.
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John Paines wrote:
IvanovS wrote:You seem to promote this idiotic idea in every thread that "Intel and Nvidia" are some sort of magic stable pieces of engineering and that everyone who buys those will never have any sort of driver problems.


I believe you're confusing me with someone else here you were fighting with recently, probably Jim Simon. I haven't opined on Intel or nvidia, beyond this thread, in several months, at the earliest.

AMD certainly does have a remarkable cheering squad here. What motivates it, I don't really understand. Beyond that, your "idiotic" this and "idiotic" that, in this thread and elsewhere, doesn't suggest useful discussion is forthcoming. You'll need to find someone else to fight with here.


Neah, I lurked this forum for a long time before I made an account. Every time someone asks for a PC recommendation and Misha or Carsten say anything about AMD, in you come and give the "know what you're getting into" mantra about stability without anything to suggest that AMD is less stable than Intel.

You have absolutely no clue about stability and what AMD is if you're asking what motivates it. Maybe do some research on the subject first and maybe you'll see who's the innovator in x86.

And I have no intent on arguing with you over anything. You know nothing worth arguing about. I'm just sad to see people like you still exist that promote this nonsense about "stability". What motivates you to "warn" others about these nonsense "stability issues" is the real question here.
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John Paines wrote:AMD certainly does have a remarkable cheering squad here. What motivates it, I don't really understand.


You know, I'm pretty sure most people don't care what you understand. I think it's plain to see to most members that anytime someone mentions AMD in an even remotely positive light, you start up with the condescending garbage. It makes you sound like a teenage gamer fanboy.
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kobayashi wrote:What is good if AMD comes out with something good, is to force Nvidia to compete
and competition is good for us, like Carsten says.
Theres too much of a gap right now in the 30x0 lineup between top tier and mid range, surely they are waiting the AMD move to fill it with some parts, like the alleged "twice the vram" cards.


They are probably waiting for RDNA2 reveal then they'll launch the Super / Ti variants with more ram like they've done with RDNA1. I personally hope RDNA2 will have at least one card with HBM2. HBCC feature is too good to not have it on a powerful card. Especially now with everyone releasing 6K-12K RAW cams.
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We are in the lucky situation that we can test almost every piece of computer hardware before we purchase it and we do. It used to be AMD+NVidia then Intel+NVidia(for a very long time) now it's AMD+AMD and I have no idea what it will be in the future. For our current workflow(Davinci Resolve) this combination suites us best. We have no brandloyalty whatsoever, we simply don't have the budget.

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Dan Sherman wrote:You know, I'm pretty sure most people don't care what you understand. I think it's plain to see to most members that anytime someone mentions AMD in an even remotely positive light, you start up with the condescending garbage. It makes you sound like a teenage gamer fanboy.


For a while there, Dan, I thought *you* might actually be ivanov -- same sweet temper, vocabulary and passionate interest in the cause.

I can't speak to whether "most people", or anyone at all, cares what I understand. That really wouldn't be at issue, since the vast, vast majority of my posts here are just plain answers. Somebody asks a Resolve use question, and I do my best with it, if I happen to know. In other words, I try to be useful. I wonder if you could say the same?
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