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Best RX 580 GPU

PostSun Sep 13, 2020 5:32 pm

I've been away for a while, and I now see the writing on the wall that it's time to switch to an AMD GPU to replace my GTX 980.

I'm looking at the RX 580 line of cards, but there is a dizzying array of options. Which variant is the best fit for the Mac Pro 5,1? I'm eyeing the Sapphire Pulse ($220) or XFX ($190) cards. Thanks.
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Re: Best RX 580 GPU

PostSun Sep 13, 2020 5:41 pm

The best implementation would be the Sapphire Nitro. Pulse is also Ok. I wouldn't go with XFX, there were some issues with their cards. You could end up with one from a bad batch.

If you want somewhat the same performance but a newer generation with lower power consumption, the RX 5500XT is an option too. RX590 somtimes sold at RX580 prices too.

If you want better performance, Vega56 or 5600XT. (And the higher end models of course but for more money).
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PostSun Sep 13, 2020 7:03 pm

Just a note about using the Sapphire RX580 in a 5,1. This version of the 580 is just wide enough that it actually causes the fan to gently rub against whatever card is installed next to it in Slot 2.

In my 5,1 I had to use a little wad of Kapton tape as a “shim” to keep the 580’s fan from rubbing up against the backside of my ATTO NT11 10Gig Ethernet card.

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The Sapphire Radeon VII has no issues with this, and is a much more powerful card (although it does require the Pixlas power supply mod, which is super easy to do)
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Re: Best RX 580 GPU

PostSun Sep 13, 2020 7:05 pm

Great, I will look into the RX 5500XT as well. The most popular one on Amazon is the XFX version, and I wonder if this model has the same problems you mentioned as the RX580?

I should mention my price point is ~$200. Not interested in any power supply mods at this time.
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PostSun Sep 13, 2020 7:40 pm

Regardless of if they share the same physical issues as the Sapphire 580, it’s my understanding based on all my research I did on the AMD cards (I switched away from NVIDIA cards at the start of the pandemic) is that XFX cards are fairly notorious for being unreliable. I’ve only used Sapphire cards though, so I can’t personally vouch for them either way.
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PostMon Sep 14, 2020 1:45 am

The MSI RX580 is working fine in my hackintosh.
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PostMon Sep 14, 2020 9:52 am

only the reference sapphire pulse RX580 is recommended from apple
and fit in a realy 5.1 cMP without blocking PCIe slot 2 and do not need a power modification!
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Re: Best RX 580 GPU

PostTue Sep 15, 2020 4:50 pm

Thanks for your help, everyone. I have a Sapphire Pulse RX580 on order, and will be upgrading my primary system to Mojave and DR16. For the time being, my secondary system will remain with Sierra, DR15, and a GTX 980.
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PostWed Sep 16, 2020 1:53 am

You'll like it. I got the Sapphire Pulse 580 and enjoy it.
It makes my Mac mini work with Resolve, but if I need the power, I move it to the iMac and it flies.
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PostWed Sep 16, 2020 2:19 pm

Uli Plank wrote:You'll like it. I got the Sapphire Pulse 580 and enjoy it.
It makes my Mac mini work with Resolve, but if I need the power, I move it to the iMac and it flies.


Its also a very nicely designed card. I did stare at mine for like 30mins when I first got it :)). Still chugs along in my second system. The 5700XT Pulse is uglier :(.
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PostWed Sep 16, 2020 4:03 pm

So with the beauty contest decided I'd like to know whether there are some arguments to go for the ugly card in my 5.1 Mac Pro. I am undecided between those two cards and since you have both you might have some insights for me. At present I have a Titan X and I work mainly on 2k timelines with 4k Braw or 2k ProRes (High Sierra, Resolve 16.2.6).

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Johannes Hoffmann wrote:So with the beauty contest decided I'd like to know whether there are some arguments to go for the ugly card in my 5.1 Mac Pro. I am undecided between those two cards and since you have both you might have some insights for me. At present I have a Titan X and I work mainly on 2k timelines with 4k Braw or 2k ProRes (High Sierra, Resolve 16.2.6).

Thanks,
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Uhm. If you mean the uglier 5700XT Pulse then yeah, there will be a significant performance boost. If you mean the 580 then no, TFLOP wise these are somewhat the same with the 580 having 4GB less ram. If yours is the Titan X Maxwell version.
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PostWed Sep 16, 2020 5:16 pm

we are talking about a apple macpro here!

and here is a RX580 faster than a 5700XT (very bad driver)
also the 5700 need catalina (the worst apple system in the last 10 years)

best go with mojave and a RX580 or a vega or radeonVII (needs pixlas mode)
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PostWed Sep 16, 2020 5:21 pm

sorry, if my post was a bit cryptic. I meant 5700XT vs RX 580.

If I understood correctly you say the 580 is on par with the Titan Maxwell (but 4 GB less) and the 5700XT is much better. Correct?

So the advantage of the 580 would be: price, works with Mojave, no issues with slot width, more or less same performance as now

The 5700XT would be a performance boost, but I need to hack my Mac Pro to Catalina and it might be difficult to fit it into slot 1 without blocking slot 2 of my Mac Pro 5.1

I keep on thinking and watching threads ...

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PostWed Sep 16, 2020 5:28 pm

no performance boost with 5700XT > slower
and a must with the worst catalina with the 5700XT

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PostWed Sep 16, 2020 5:31 pm

Johannes Hoffmann wrote:sorry, if my post was a bit cryptic. I meant 5700XT vs RX 580.

If I understood correctly you say the 580 is on par with the Titan Maxwell (but 4 GB less) and the 5700XT is much better. Correct?

So the advantage of the 580 would be: price, works with Mojave, no issues with slot width, more or less same performance as now

The 5700XT would be a performance boost, but I need to hack my Mac Pro to Catalina and it might be difficult to fit it into slot 1 without blocking slot 2 of my Mac Pro 5.1

I keep on thinking and watching threads ...

Thanks again.


I'm not an MAC expert so I'm going by Windows numbers here. The 5700XT is much better than a 580.
But I wouldn't trade a 12GB Titan X for a 580.

Reading about this on some forums, the only issue with the 5700XT as with some other powerful cards is powering it and some have done it with SATA to 6pin adapters like here : https://www.reddit.com/r/macpro/comment ... t_to_work/

You could also try a 5600XT. From what I understand these work better regarding power usage.
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Re: Best RX 580 GPU

PostWed Sep 16, 2020 5:35 pm

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I'm not an MAC expert so I'm going by Windows numbers here. The 5700XT is much better than a 580.
But I wouldn't trade a 12GB Titan X for a 580.

Reading about this on some forums, the only issue with the 5700XT as with some other powerful cards is powering it and some have done it with SATA to 6pin adapters like here : https://www.reddit.com/r/macpro/comment ... t_to_work/

You could also try a 5600XT. From what I understand these work better regarding power usage.


and AGAIN - the card works well in wondows > NOT good under macOS
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Re: Best RX 580 GPU

PostWed Sep 16, 2020 5:46 pm

Mark Foster wrote:
IvanovS wrote:
I'm not an MAC expert so I'm going by Windows numbers here. The 5700XT is much better than a 580.
But I wouldn't trade a 12GB Titan X for a 580.

Reading about this on some forums, the only issue with the 5700XT as with some other powerful cards is powering it and some have done it with SATA to 6pin adapters like here : https://www.reddit.com/r/macpro/comment ... t_to_work/

You could also try a 5600XT. From what I understand these work better regarding power usage.


and AGAIN - the card works well in wondows > NOT good under macOS


Ok dude, I said I'm going with Windows numbers and what some of these guys say : https://barefeats.com/cmp-5700-xt-vs-other-gpus.html.

And I'm sure whatever the issues with the drivers are, with the introduction of the Navi based 5600M these will be eventually and probably solved.
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PostWed Sep 16, 2020 6:15 pm

ask them who has paid for this ; -)

this test was with 10.15.1

apple releases drivers for a 5700 XT with 10.15.4

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Re: Best RX 580 GPU

PostWed Sep 16, 2020 6:19 pm

Mark Foster wrote:ask them who has paid for this ; -)

this test was with 10.15.1

apple releases drivers for a 5700 XT with 10.15.4

THINK !


I have no idea who paid for what. I was agreeing with you. I went with Windows numbers and what these people have. I have NO IDEA how this works on mac pro. But with the release of 5600M which is a navi based card, I'm sure the drivers will eventually be fixed... Based on logic. Nothing more.
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PostWed Sep 16, 2020 6:22 pm

drivers are not fixed in the latest catalina
and also no fix in big sur DP6

the AMD drivers for the radeonVII working good in mojave,
and are also worst in catalina and big sur!


apple is going to apple silicon and also AMD will go the same way as NVIDIA
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Re: Best RX 580 GPU

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Mark Foster wrote:drivers are not fixed in the latest catalina
and also no fix in big sur DP6

apple is going to apple silicon and also AMD will go the way as NVIDIA


Cool. I would love to see Apple come close to what AMD or NVIDIA have regarding GPU side. My bet is it won't be great.
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PostWed Sep 16, 2020 6:25 pm

we will see it in one or two years

apple silicon is the answer why apple stay with intel
and did not change to AMD CPUs
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Re: Best RX 580 GPU

PostWed Sep 16, 2020 6:35 pm

Mark Foster wrote:we will see it in one or two years

apple silicon is the answer why apple stay with intel
and did not change to AMD CPUs


Could be, also could be that contracts were made years in advance. Maybe thats why Apple kept offering inferior Intel CPUs (like 2-3gens back) to what Intel has currently on offer. Old as dirt stock?

We shall see on the Apple Silicon.
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