subtitle stroke is useless

Subtitles are all about being able to see them clearly. The stroke function is very important, but the stroke inside the subtitle menu in resolve does the opposite. It creates both an outer as an ''inner'' stroke and ruins the font. Is this a bug? is there a way to change this behaviour? The drop shadow is not a good alternative/workaround. I'm not sure if this is a bug report or if i'm asking for an additional feature. I know this has been discussed many times but i'm seeing no sign of life about this matter.

It is the center position, not inside. However, subtitles need an outer position.
We've written this in Blackmagic in the past.

Let’s open a new feature request or point me to one
+1 from me


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Yes please, lets do something about this.

What about in DVR 17? Does a subtitles stroke have outside or still center position?

What about in DVR 17? Does a subtitles stroke have outside or still center position?

Still the same (center position)

+ 111111111

Still the same center position in 17b6

come on...

Lets push this up a bit so the devs can adress this issue

UP!

Subtitles stroke needs to be outside the font! Come one BMD.

+10 000.
Dear Blackmagic, could you please fix the subtitle stroke issue.

still no outer stroke in 18 C'MON we NEED this update

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i'm glad they were able to develop the object mask though...

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we started using other software for subtitles because of this missing feature.

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I normally try to get away with soft drop shadows but now I'm on a project that has so many pure whites that i need stroke. Inward strokes destroy the font, look ugly and are not usable with how they are right now.

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how is this still not fixed in 18 like cmon......

how is this still not fixed in 18 like cmon......

It's one of the little things that cause us a lot of trouble when working in DaVinci. Many prominent clients (especially those who use their own fonts) are unacceptably cropped by the central location of the stroke, and I have to produce the subtitles additionally in another software.

Could you wake up at the Blackmagic, please?

18.1.1
Still doesn't fixed.

[Peter Chamberlain]

how is this still not fixed in 18 like cmon......

It's one of the little things that cause us a lot of trouble when working in DaVinci. Many prominent clients (especially those who use their own fonts) are unacceptably cropped by the central location of the stroke, and I have to produce the subtitles additionally in another software.

Could you wake up at the Blackmagic, please?

Your assuming we r ignoring you but consider, it might not be trivial.

It's one of the little things that cause us a lot of trouble when working in DaVinci. Many prominent clients (especially those who use their own fonts) are unacceptably cropped by the central location of the stroke, and I have to produce the subtitles additionally in another software.

Your assuming we r ignoring you but consider, it might not be trivial.

I'm not sure if I understand well.

If we insert subtitles where the client wants use his own font (multinational corporations, banks, etc.), it is not possible for the font to be distorted by the central placement of the outline. DaVinci can't do this job, and that's a shame, because changing the outline from the central location to the outside is definitely not a problem.

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For the record I use Annotation Edit (great software, but Mac only)
http://www.zeitanker.com/content/tools/ ... tion_edit/
It can produce beautifully rendered subtitles in a transparent (alpha) quicktime file.
Drop on your timeline and bob's your uncle. of course it's not editable though.

how is this still not fixed in 18 like cmon......

It's one of the little things that cause us a lot of trouble when working in DaVinci. Many prominent clients (especially those who use their own fonts) are unacceptably cropped by the central location of the stroke, and I have to produce the subtitles additionally in another software.

Could you wake up at the Blackmagic, please?

Your assuming we r ignoring you but consider, it might not be trivial.

So you're telling me you can have the most horrible, loud background noise removed automagically (which is within the most amazing breakthrough tools I've seen/heard in almost 2 decades), but can't set a caption stroke to grow outwards?

Yes, the AI refused it when asked for such a simple task

Hi everybody!

I had high hopes for 18.1.4 regarding this issue, but was heavily disappointed.

Since I need to subtitle a whopping 210 min. of series I needed a workaround. And I found a decent one that I want to share with you.

The downside: You need to encode your video twice. The upside: Just a few clicks and render time, but no need for other software and import/export hassle.

What I did: I copied the whole subtitle track (be aware: I will probably change the Y-position, size and alignment in the duplicate, since it doesn't copy these settings for some reason?).

Then I changed the font color to black, applied the infamous useless stroke with size 8 in black and rendered it out in the highest quality available.

Then I imported the video with the black subs into the timeline, activated the original subs with no shadow or anything in white on top of it. I had to adjust the x-axis a bit, because (at least on the font "Open Sans") the black stroke is not only useless and centered on the edge, but also grows mainly to the right. So I needed to move the white titles to the left about 4 pixels. Or you could pre-shift the black ones to the left and keep the white ones centered.

The result looks pretty good, although you need to encode it again (but you'll have to do that with an external software anyway).

So all in all it is a decent workaround. But please, Blackmagic, fix this issue! I honestly cannot believe that this is a non-trivial problem!

that sounds like more work than actually fixing this bug

Hi everybody!

I had high hopes for 18.1.4 regarding this issue, but was heavily disappointed.

Since I need to subtitle a whopping 210 min. of series I needed a workaround. And I found a decent one that I want to share with you.

The downside: You need to encode your video twice. The upside: Just a few clicks and render time, but no need for other software and import/export hassle.

What I did: I copied the whole subtitle track (be aware: I will probably change the Y-position, size and alignment in the duplicate, since it doesn't copy these settings for some reason?).

Then I changed the font color to black, applied the infamous useless stroke with size 8 in black and rendered it out in the highest quality available.

Then I imported the video with the black subs into the timeline, activated the original subs with no shadow or anything in white on top of it. I had to adjust the x-axis a bit, because (at least on the font "Open Sans") the black stroke is not only useless and centered on the edge, but also grows mainly to the right. So I needed to move the white titles to the left about 4 pixels. Or you could pre-shift the black ones to the left and keep the white ones centered.

The result looks pretty good, although you need to encode it again (but you'll have to do that with an external software anyway).

So all in all it is a decent workaround. But please, Blackmagic, fix this issue! I honestly cannot believe that this is a non-trivial problem!

Thank you Niki Drozdowsk

Thank to you I found a solution for my case with some change in your method.

Part 1
- Select the timeline
- Select the subtitle track you need.
- Change the font color to black
- Applied the stroke with max size in black
Part 2
- Create a sub region in your subtitle track (You can create a maximum of 3 regions inside a subtitle track.)
- Duplicate the subtitle in the sub region that you created (drag and drop + alt)
- Change the font color to white
- Reset the stroke setting
- Adjust the x or y axis a bit

That's it ,

Moulaythami

Your timeline should look to something like this:

Screenshot 2023-03-28 at 09.39.40.png (227.49 KiB) Viewed 3830 times

Hi Moulaythami,

thank you so much - that is a great improvement!
I didn't know about sub-regions and your approach eliminates the need for an intermediate render step!

So, dear Blackmagic – we found a great workaround. Can you now implement this properly?

+1 for this. Outer stroke please! If there can't be an pulldown menu and upper options, it should just be set to grow outer. Thanks!

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This small missing feature is the sole reason I've had to choose other software for editing projects in some cases, which is quite frustrating as I otherwise love using Resolve.

i think it has fundamentally something to do with how resolve handles alpha channels. pretty sure it's the same reason why you can't blur text (other than in fusion). the blur goes only inside the font and you will see black creeping in from the sides. if a fix is not possible since it would affect too many other things it would be nice if they could patch in a workaround in like the one above, just under the hood (just adding a second layer of the subtitles in black underneath). That way I would't be embarrassed in front of the client when he ask for strokes and they're messing with his custom font.

GUYS!!!!
This is from the release notes of 18.6

- Support for outer text stroke in titles and subtitles.

GUYS!!!!
This is from the release notes of 18.6

- Support for outer text stroke in titles and subtitles.

Yes, maybe I won't have to use Premiere for subtitles now, great addition!

GUYS!!!!
This is from the release notes of 18.6

- Support for outer text stroke in titles and subtitles.

Wonderful They listened!

The only limitation here is that the maximum allowed outside stroke size is 16. To have more flexibility in adjusting the stroke, you should increase, in the Inspector pannel and Transform area, the subtitle's text size (from 1 to around 5 - 6) while keeping the font size around 8 - 12 (depending on your image size and font). This may seem counterintuitive, as one would typically think to increase the font size instead.

Yeah that's great, and now text + stroke is often cropped by some invisible crop box and drop shadow simply doesn't work at all anymore.
https://i.imgur.com/kNLsjoV.png
Am I the only one ? (18.6.2 Build 2)

GUYS!!!!
This is from the release notes of 18.6

- Support for outer text stroke in titles and subtitles.

Wonderful They listened!

The only limitation here is that the maximum allowed outside stroke size is 16. To have more flexibility in adjusting the stroke, you should increase, in the Inspector pannel and Transform area, the subtitle's text size (from 1 to around 5 - 6) while keeping the font size around 8 - 12 (depending on your image size and font). This may seem counterintuitive, as one would typically think to increase the font size instead.

Outside stroke of 4 is plenty for me in my UHD projects and the default size 96 for Open Sans looks okay as well. Have yet to try in HD. Pity there is no softness control for the stroke as with text+

Yeah that's great, and now text + stroke is often cropped by some invisible crop box and drop shadow simply doesn't work at all anymore.
https://i.imgur.com/kNLsjoV.png
Am I the only one ? (18.6.2 Build 2)

Drop shadow working fine here in Text+ are you sure you have vertical and horizontal Offset set up in Shading > Shadow > Position ?

Don't see a crop box unless you switched to fusion for Character Level Styling.

I started using the latest version of DaVinci and I see that the outline selection is added. Good, but the stroke is very thin. The maximum number of digits is 16, can you please increase it to e.g. 32?

Thank you!