Not sure if I want to keep the Speed Editor

Let me start by saying and emphasizing that I am not a cut page editor. I am an edit page editor.

With that said, I am not yet certain if I should keep or return the Speed Editor. It is a nice tool addition on my desk but it only fully works with the cut page. After using it for a week now, I found that it does somewhat work with the edit page, but only 25% of the keys and scroll are functional on the edit page today.

Because it is design for the cut page, for a cut page editor, I think this is a nice keyboard and worth spending for. I will always be working from an Edit page, and I know will never have any appreciation for the cut page (only if I can get rid of that page) and will be using the cut page.

I don't know if BMD will be enhancing Resolve so the Edit page can take full advantage of this keyboard. Hence I'm not sure if I want to be keeping the speed editor in case that ever happened. Right now my instinct is to return it and just buy it again when there is fully support for the Edit page. If I hang on to it, it's $295 seating in my desk drawer.

Are you a cut page or edit page editor? If the latter, what will you do and do you think BMD will ever make this device support the edit page?

With that said, I am not yet certain if I should keep or return the Speed Editor. It is a nice tool addition on my desk but it only fully works with the cut page. After using it for a week now, I found that it does somewhat work with the edit page, but only 25% of the keys and scroll are functional on the edit page today.

I agree with you: I think every function on it should also work on the Edit Page. I don't know what their eventual intentions are for that kind of compatibility.

You could always sell it and keep the license. Depending on how much you sell it for, you would get a very cheap license. I've seen a lot of people doing that already.

Hi,
I feel the same. I had the Speed Editor for a couple of days, I too don't use the cut page, and found it very limiting with the edit page. I spoke to the Australian distributor about features being available for edit page, he spoke to BMD and they said there are no plans at this stage, but it was submitted on the 'wishlist'. Fortunately the guys I bought the Speed editor from were happy for me to return it and I have ordered the Resolve Editor Keyboard, now just awaiting stock.

I wouldn't be surprised that BND will eventually come up with either a flash or driver update to mae this more compatible with the Edit window. It should be relatively simple to do.

I wonder how much more they can add to edit page functionality with the existing buttons though?
Some of the buttons are cut page specific.

For those who have used it, what did you find limiting about it on the edit page? From videos I've seen, it seems like a lot of the basic functions still work well on the edit page, so I'm wondering what you feel is missing.

Let me start by saying and emphasizing that I am not a cut page editor. I am an edit page editor.

With that said, I am not yet certain if I should keep or return the Speed Editor. It is a nice tool addition on my desk but it only fully works with the cut page. After using it for a week now, I found that it does somewhat work with the edit page, but only 25% of the keys and scroll are functional on the edit page today.

Because it is design for the cut page, for a cut page editor, I think this is a nice keyboard and worth spending for. I will always be working from an Edit page, and I know will never have any appreciation for the cut page (only if I can get rid of that page) and will be using the cut page.

I don't know if BMD will be enhancing Resolve so the Edit page can take full advantage of this keyboard. Hence I'm not sure if I want to be keeping the speed editor in case that ever happened. Right now my instinct is to return it and just buy it again when there is fully support for the Edit page. If I hang on to it, it's $295 seating in my desk drawer.

Are you a cut page or edit page editor? If the latter, what will you do and do you think BMD will ever make this device support the edit page?

I totally feel you! I'm new to resolve after 10 years working as a paid editor with other NLEs and compositors. I first tried switching with Resolve 15, didn't like it. Tried again with 16, when they released the cut page, and I hated it. Now with 17, I'm jumping full in with one small change to my mentality:

Resolve can do what I want it to do if I just have an open mind to how Black Magic Design designed the product, NOT how I want the product to work based off of my experience with other editors.

I've forced myself to not get frustrated too quickly, and to try to understand the thought process behind how they designed the the different pages to work. If I don't understand something, or don't see a feature that I feel like they should have, I dig through the reference manual first, and sure enough, they DO have it—but maybe just called it something else, or it was under a different menu I hadn't thought to look under.

With all that said. I just completed my first milestone edit in Resolve, a rough cut of a 12 minute corporate "behind the brand" video I'm charging $6,000 for (after a final, graded version of course).

Using shift-3 to switch to the cut page when I wanted to look through media bins and drop in footage from the source tape into the timeline saved me from having to create another timeline just to scrub through footage. Then shift-4 to get into the edit page to finnagle some things here and there, using stacked timelines of two versions of the rough. It was a seamless process and I got to the use the best of both worlds: the speed of the cut page, and how awesome it is to look through bins without having to make another timeline, and the finesse of the edit page.

Oh, and another thing—a lot of people have complained about this... to my surprise, when I gave the cut page a try again, you CAN leave gaps in the timeline

"Duh?!" Right! Why would a creative company like BMD not give another creator the ability to add some SPACE in an edit?!

All in all, I'm still learning how to be super fast in Resolve, and use it how they designed it... I just had to let go of some expectations and UNLEARN some stuff from other NLEs, because really, there is no "right" way to do something, just the way that gives the best quality to the client and the way that gets you paid FASTER. I like doing both!

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My conspiracy theory is that the Speed Editor (esp the limited time “Free” offer) is part of BMDs greater plan to encourage greater adoption of the Cut page among editors who would otherwise never give it the time of day. The Cut page is so divisive that there needs to be as much incentive as possible to get people to at least try it and break out of their preconceived notions of how an NLE should work. God knows I would never use the Cut page before, but now that I ordered a Speed Editor, I will at least have a reason to give it a try, especially with the hope that they will expand its capabilities to the Edit page eventually.

My conspiracy theory is that the Speed Editor (esp the limited time “Free” offer) is part of BMDs greater plan to encourage greater adoption of the Cut page among editors who would otherwise never give it the time of day. The Cut page is so divisive that there needs to be as much incentive as possible to get people to at least try it and break out of their preconceived notions of how an NLE should work. God knows I would never use the Cut page before, but now that I ordered a Speed Editor, I will at least have a reason to give it a try, especially with the hope that they will expand its capabilities to the Edit page eventually.

Strategy is not conspiracy. I am exactly like you and I don’t have any problem accepting that hardware invitation to give a shot to the cut page. I have to admit after a day of trimming my dailies with the speed editor in the cut page that it is convenient. At least for that basic task. I’ll give a shot to the multicam fonctions too as soon as I get get a new multicam project to edit.

The number keys on should at least work as a numpad on other pages.

Let me start by saying and emphasizing that I am not a cut page editor. I am an edit page editor.

Same here. Cut page is useless for my work. Even though I was uncertain about it, I ordered the speed editor. Based on your feedback, I believe I will cancel the order. If it ever works with the Edit page, I will consider ordering one. Thanks for the post!

Don't any of you folk who don't like the Cut page think the circulation of this device might spawn (a) some enhancements from Blackmagic and (b) some illuminating tutorials from those people who found it useful?

I struggle to use it - but I am a newcomer to Resolve. I am sure it is better than I have found so far.

cut page (only if I can get rid of that page)

You (sort of) can.

Workspace>Show Page...

I have ordered the Speed Editor specifically to use the CUT page. I already have the Studio version so my reasoning is purely the Editor for multicam function and also for the source view for selecting clips. Surely if you want more functionality for the edit page there is already a keyboard. If you look, the Speed Editor is like the full BM keyboard with the middle standard Qwerty keyboard cut out. Clearly BM motive is to encourage use of the CUT page and maybe new users. They have made the full keyboard for the professionals I think.

For me, my editing software is EDIUS or Vegas and my reason initially for Resolve was just the colour page. The cut page actually offers something not available in EDIUS or Vegas so an advantage specifically the multicam capabilities. One thing that I prefer in EDIUS and Vegas compared to Resolve is the ability to crop/zoom/pan into a UHD clip on a HD timeline. It is only the user interface as this is possible in all three but the best user interface is Vegas with EDIUS next and Resolve more clicking and setting values. If this functionality could be made in the CUT page I do not think I would use the edit page for my applications and may do more editing in Resolve.

I really don't understand the visceral dislike for the cut page. It's just a tool for specific types of work or it can also be a step in the editing process.

I think some think that working on the cut page is kind of demining. (Nothing better than to take a whole day building the timeline.)

I understand that the cut page does not offer all the editing tools but it's not meant for that. The cut page and the Speed editor are great for news, social media, docs, and Multicam content production...

I was thinking of buying the atem, not for streaming but just to record Multicam projects. But just thinking of all the gear and setup needed even with the minimalist atem workflow, had me stalling.

But seeing Grants demo I found that just placing the cameras and then using the cut page and speed editor would greatly speed my workflow for less effort and time.

These can also be done on the edit page, but why the clutter? You can always build your timeline on the cut page and finish on the edit, color, and Fairlight page.

maybe it's some kind of undiagnosed envy or cognitive dissonance.


Ricardo Marty

My conspiracy theory is that the Speed Editor (esp the limited time “Free” offer) is part of BMDs greater plan to encourage greater adoption of the Cut page.

Strategy is not conspiracy. I am exactly like you and I don’t have any problem accepting that hardware invitation to give a shot to the cut page. I have to admit after a day of trimming my dailies with the speed editor in the cut page that it is convenient. At least for that basic task. I’ll give a shot to the multicam fonctions too as soon as I get get a new multicam project to edit.

I was only joking about the conspiracy theory thing. Of course this is totally strategic. Resolve is fighting an incredibly valiant effort in gaining widespread acceptance as an editing platform. I totally support everything they can do to make this happen, even if as a Colorist, I have very little use for the Cut page itself.

I am hoping, however, that I can find productivity gains using the Speed Editor for things like conforming. Just being able to slip & slide shots without constantly having to invoke and toggle Trim modes using keyboard shortcuts will be well worth it to me.

My conspiracy theory is that the Speed Editor (esp the limited time “Free” offer) is part of BMDs greater plan to encourage greater adoption of the Cut page.

Strategy is not conspiracy. I am exactly like you and I don’t have any problem accepting that hardware invitation to give a shot to the cut page. I have to admit after a day of trimming my dailies with the speed editor in the cut page that it is convenient. At least for that basic task. I’ll give a shot to the multicam fonctions too as soon as I get get a new multicam project to edit.

I was only joking about the conspiracy theory thing. Of course this is totally strategic. Resolve is fighting an incredibly valiant effort in gaining widespread acceptance as an editing platform. I totally support everything they can do to make this happen, even if as a Colorist, I have very little use for the Cut page itself.

I am hoping, however, that I can find productivity gains using the Speed Editor for things like conforming. Just being able to slip & slide shots without constantly having to invoke and toggle Trim modes using keyboard shortcuts will be well worth it to me.

I’m relieved you were joking even if I wasn’t to worried. Theses crazy times are prone to make people ill minded but I would have been surprised that a colorist fall into such simple traps.
Coming back to the topic I’m a colorist too and I often have to do the conformation. And I have to say that very few productions I work with do anticipate that part of the process. It is a real pain. So yes, Resolve gaining widespread acceptance as an editing plateform is an idea I encourage as much as I can.

I'm more of a colorist than an editor and familiarity with the Edit page has made me very productive with it. The Cut page is not for me for this reason. I also don't use Resolve for streaming, broadcast, or anything besides narrative feature and short form work so that speed cutting is not really interesting to me or my efforts. I pretty much can do everything that can be done from the Cut page on the Edit page, including Multicam, and more. Having said that, the Cut page should be welcome addition for those who are seeking such functionality. I'm not saying that the Speed Editor is no good. It is actually well built and probably works very well with the Cut page for those using it with that intent in mind. As a Edit page person, I can do a lot more with my Contour Shuttle PRO device, which was my original hope to replace it with the Speed Editor. At this time, I'm keeping the Shuttle and have shipped back the Speed Editor. The keyboard is overly expensive and I can get that same functionality with the 3rd party Resolve keyboard + the Shuttle for a lot less money.

Keyboard - https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/ ... s=pi&pim=Y

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build your timeline on the cut page and finish on the edit, color, and Fairlight page.

That's how I was thinking about it watching the Speed Editor demo. There are segments of my projects which would benefit from the Source Tape feature, and the new hardware goes well with that.

With that said, I am not yet certain if I should keep or return the Speed Editor. It is a nice tool addition on my desk but it only fully works with the cut page. After using it for a week now, I found that it does somewhat work with the edit page, but only 25% of the keys and scroll are functional on the edit page today.

I agree with you: I think every function on it should also work on the Edit Page. I don't know what their eventual intentions are for that kind of compatibility.

Using that same logic I am more than frustrated that every single item on the cut page cannot be mapped to the full-size edit keyboard. Paying $1,000 for a keyboard that only works on part of the software is a major mistake and a huge customer turn-off.

I have the Shuttle Pro v2 and have it set up so that it responds the same way for EDIUS, Vegas and Resolve but I still look forward to the Speed Editor because it is specifically made for the cut page. Just waiting for mine to come.

I...but I still look forward to the Speed Editor because it is specifically made for the cut page.

That's good for you so hopefully you'll get your Speed Editor soon. For me, I don't see the appeal to spend $295 on a device that ONLY works for one application, Resolve, and specifically on one piece of function set, the Cut page, and not even a way to be able to reprogram it. Some of you will say that by buying it with the Resolve 17 combo promo you'll get it for free. That's true only u to a point when the promo ends - who knows when. I don't need Resolve license because I have a few, and even sold 3 of them recently. But when the promo expires, that dedicated box is going to cost $295. Certainly it might be worth to someone who lives in the Cut page, and that sounds like you're going to enjoy it.

" Resolve, and specifically on one piece of function set, the Cut page, "

I did a bit of YouTube watching yesterday and found quite a few people using the Speed Editor on the Editor tab. Here is one example.

Yes, there are things it can't do on that tab but it looks pretty useful to me.

Foregive the comments of a newbie who has yet to receive his Editor but I await mine with enthusiasm.

Tony

I decided to keep it. It is useful enough on the Edit page, and hopefully will get even better.

I have about ten hours on mine, which arrived just a few days ago. I find it absolutely delightful to use.

Integration with Resolve is superb and the hardware itself is elegant, precise and enabling.
The fact that the buttons have multiple uses depending on how they're used (double-clicks, triple-clicks even double-click-and-hold-with-scrollwheel operations, indicates that the Speed Editor is software upgradable, which bodes well for its (and our) editing future.

Kudos, admiration and respect to the crew that implemented this welcome improvement to Resolve editing.