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Re: Please Help!Exported Video Significantly Worse Than Time

PostThu Dec 17, 2020 8:40 pm

I would try to set the bitrate manually (according the source footage) instead of automatic (it's set to "automatic" in the right image you posted).

Also, take a look at advanced render settings, as there are options here related to color.

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If all fails:

Can you export and share a test project (and footage) where this problem happens?

I can try to render it here and find the problem.
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Re: Please Help!Exported Video Significantly Worse Than Time

PostThu Dec 17, 2020 8:45 pm

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Re: Please Help!Exported Video Significantly Worse Than Time

PostThu Dec 17, 2020 8:53 pm

alb3530 wrote:I would try to set the bitrate manually (according the source footage) instead of automatic (it's set to "automatic" in the right image you posted).

Also, take a look at advanced render settings, as there are options here related to color.

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If all fails:

Can you export and share a test project (and footage) where this problem happens?

I can try to render it here and find the problem.




Thanks for the reply. I will attach a screenshot of whatever the advanced settings are currently at. I also do not know how to check the bitrate and/or set it accordingly, but I can try if you have any advice!
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Re: Please Help!Exported Video Significantly Worse Than Time

PostThu Dec 17, 2020 8:57 pm

John Paines wrote:https://forum.blackmagicdesign.com/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=129525



Is there a particular solution on that page you are recommending? I do not have an option for encoder for some reason. Any elaboration would be deeply helpful. Thanks.
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Re: Please Help!Exported Video Significantly Worse Than Time

PostThu Dec 17, 2020 9:03 pm

There seems to be a shift of brightness in your end result (gamma shift). This is such a complicated topic that I can not help you in that regard. But give this massive post a look. viewtopic.php?f=21&t=101253&hilit=gamma+shift

Back to your Question about Quality:
I observed that the quality of an H264 Export can vary between different Programs and in my opinion the H264 Export in Resolve is only of medium quality even in the Studio Version where you will have some more options to tweak the H264 Export.

Instead of using Resolve to create a High End H264 file I would advise you to export a high Quality Codec like DNxHR HQX 10bitor ProRes 422HQ (or better) instead and then doing the transcode into H264 or (better) H265 in some other Software like Handbrake which is free on Mac and PC. It is not simple to use but very good when you understand what you are doing.

Once I was asked to create a 10min long H.264 with HD resolution that should only use 30mb of space. No chance to make that look good with the Resolve export. But in Handbrake I was able to get a very good result for H.264 and a fantastic result in H.265 (with the cost of very long render Times. I think it was something like 3hours).

But if you really want to enhance the render quality within Resolve then you definitely should activate Multi-pass encode. And you can try the software renderer by deactivating Use hardware acceleration if available. It will be somewhat slower, but you may have different options that may enhance quality.

But like I said. Dedicated transcoders like Handbrake may give you better results.
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Re: Please Help!Exported Video Significantly Worse Than Time

PostThu Dec 17, 2020 9:13 pm

I don't know how to check the bitrate on Mac. In Windows 10, it's in file Properties.

You can set the bitrate in Resolve here:

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But after two more experienced users had posted their views about it, bitrate settings won't probably help.

If you can share some test footage, I can at least test if the problem also happens on Windows, but it might be of no use for you because you use Mac.
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Re: Please Help!Exported Video Significantly Worse Than Time

PostThu Dec 17, 2020 9:16 pm

awppollock wrote:Is there a particular solution on that page you are recommending? I do not have an option for encoder for some reason. Any elaboration would be deeply helpful. Thanks.


Output to a so-called "intermediate codec" in Resolve, rather than h.264/5 formats. On Windows intermediate codecs would include DNxHR and Cineform, or Prores on Mac. Then take that large file into a conversion utility like Handbrake or Shutter Encoder and compress it to h.264/5. You'll need to experiment with data rates to find out what's best for you.
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Re: Please Help!Exported Video Significantly Worse Than Time

PostThu Dec 17, 2020 9:30 pm

Philipp Glaninger wrote:There seems to be a shift of brightness in your end result (gamma shift). This is such a complicated topic that I can not help you in that regard. But give this massive post a look. viewtopic.php?f=21&t=101253&hilit=gamma+shift

Back to your Question about Quality:
I observed that the quality of an H264 Export can vary between different Programs and in my opinion the H264 Export in Resolve is only of medium quality even in the Studio Version where you will have some more options to tweak the H264 Export.

Instead of using Resolve to create a High End H264 file I would advise you to export a high Quality Codec like DNxHR HQX 10bitor ProRes 422HQ (or better) instead and then doing the transcode into H264 or (better) H265 in some other Software like Handbrake which is free on Mac and PC. It is not simple to use but very good when you understand what you are doing.

Once I was asked to create a 10min long H.264 with HD resolution that should only use 30mb of space. No chance to make that look good with the Resolve export. But in Handbrake I was able to get a very good result for H.264 and a fantastic result in H.265 (with the cost of very long render Times. I think it was something like 3hours).

But if you really want to enhance the render quality within Resolve then you definitely should activate Multi-pass encode. And you can try the software renderer by deactivating Use hardware acceleration if available. It will be somewhat slower, but you may have different options that may enhance quality.

But like I said. Dedicated transcoders like Handbrake may give you better results.



This is very in depth and I deeply appreciate your time. Yes, I continually have issues with the exported footage being darker and it seems to be a very elusive subject to solve. I will absolutely heed your advice about using handbrake. Thank you. Thank you...
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Re: Please Help!Exported Video Significantly Worse Than Time

PostThu Dec 17, 2020 9:31 pm

alb3530 wrote:I don't know how to check the bitrate on Mac. In Windows 10, it's in file Properties.

You can set the bitrate in Resolve here:

resolve post.png


But after two more experienced users had posted their views about it, bitrate settings won't probably help.

If you can share some test footage, I can at least test if the problem also happens on Windows, but it might be of no use for you because you use Mac.


What is the best way to share footage?
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Re: Please Help!Exported Video Significantly Worse Than Time

PostThu Dec 17, 2020 9:33 pm

John Paines wrote:
awppollock wrote:Is there a particular solution on that page you are recommending? I do not have an option for encoder for some reason. Any elaboration would be deeply helpful. Thanks.


Output to a so-called "intermediate codec" in Resolve, rather than h.264/5 formats. On Windows intermediate codecs would include DNxHR and Cineform, or Prores on Mac. Then take that large file into a conversion utility like Handbrake or Shutter Encoder and compress it to h.264/5. You'll need to experiment with data rates to find out what's best for you.


Thank you. I will try this. I am using mac, so you know which Prores would be best for that? Also, do you have any solutions for the darkening of the image? Do you think it could be related to project settings with regard to color settings? Thanks again.
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Re: Please Help!Exported Video Significantly Worse Than Time

PostThu Dec 17, 2020 9:56 pm

Philipp Glaninger wrote:There seems to be a shift of brightness in your end result (gamma shift). This is such a complicated topic that I can not help you in that regard. But give this massive post a look. viewtopic.php?f=21&t=101253&hilit=gamma+shift

Back to your Question about Quality:
I observed that the quality of an H264 Export can vary between different Programs and in my opinion the H264 Export in Resolve is only of medium quality even in the Studio Version where you will have some more options to tweak the H264 Export.

Instead of using Resolve to create a High End H264 file I would advise you to export a high Quality Codec like DNxHR HQX 10bitor ProRes 422HQ (or better) instead and then doing the transcode into H264 or (better) H265 in some other Software like Handbrake which is free on Mac and PC. It is not simple to use but very good when you understand what you are doing.

Once I was asked to create a 10min long H.264 with HD resolution that should only use 30mb of space. No chance to make that look good with the Resolve export. But in Handbrake I was able to get a very good result for H.264 and a fantastic result in H.265 (with the cost of very long render Times. I think it was something like 3hours).

But if you really want to enhance the render quality within Resolve then you definitely should activate Multi-pass encode. And you can try the software renderer by deactivating Use hardware acceleration if available. It will be somewhat slower, but you may have different options that may enhance quality.

But like I said. Dedicated transcoders like Handbrake may give you better results.


Additionally, might you have any advice or links for decent Handbrake tutorials?
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Re: Please Help!Exported Video Significantly Worse Than Time

PostThu Dec 17, 2020 10:51 pm

awppollock wrote:
What is the best way to share footage?


Use your URSA MINI PRO 4.6k camera, record something (preferably ten seconds, so that video file is not so large), upload the resulting file from the camera to some place where it's possible to download (like OneDrive or Google Drive), and post the link for download here.
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Re: Please Help!Exported Video Significantly Worse Than Time

PostFri Dec 18, 2020 1:38 am

awppollock wrote: I am using mac, so you know which Prores would be best for that? Also, do you have any solutions for the darkening of the image? Do you think it could be related to project settings with regard to color settings? Thanks again.


ProRes 422 HQ is plenty good enough.

The darkening is a side effect of not using professional monitoring.
Experiment with Rec 709-A and do a lot of reading, it's a complex issue.
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Re: Please Help!Exported Video Significantly Worse Than Time

PostFri Dec 18, 2020 2:27 am

Uli Plank wrote:
awppollock wrote: I am using mac, so you know which Prores would be best for that? Also, do you have any solutions for the darkening of the image? Do you think it could be related to project settings with regard to color settings? Thanks again.


ProRes 422 HQ is plenty good enough.

The darkening is a side effect of not using professional monitoring.
Experiment with Rec 709-A and do a lot of reading, it's a complex issue.



When you say “experiment with” what do you mean? As a timeline setting? I have noticed that both the “use mac color” setting and Rec 709 Scene independently seem to get me closer but it still appears dark when I bump it over to my phone.
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Re: Please Help!Exported Video Significantly Worse Than Time

PostFri Dec 18, 2020 2:42 am

It will never be perfect without an I/O device from Blackmagic and a calibrated monitor.

Please do some reading, one very detailed thread is this "Final Explanation of Gamma and Color Shift Problems" and good advice was given by Marc Wielage in other threads too.

OTOH, if you are publishing only to the internet, just don't care. Nobody will see exactly the same as you are seeing.
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