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Deinterlacing artefacts

Posted:
Fri Dec 25, 2020 5:29 am
by id4alexey
Hi!
All three deinterlace methods give me strange artefacts on the DV material:

- exp_1.1.4.jpg (169.2 KiB) Viewed 1050 times
It seems that artifacts take place in uncontrast areas with quick moving parts.
Re: Deinterlacing artefacts

Posted:
Sat Dec 26, 2020 6:38 am
by Peter Chamberlain
Try uploading the images again and describe each one.
Re: Deinterlacing artefacts

Posted:
Tue Jan 12, 2021 6:34 pm
by metkat
I see artifacts that look identical to this, deinterlacing HDV 60i -> 60p using all three methods in Resolve Studio 17b6. It doesn't happen in all cases, but the first where I noticed it is a quickly moving person against a background of breezy trees (which does seem like an algorithmic nightmare to me, but FCPX deinterlacing and ffmpeg yadif both handle it okay).
It appears and disappears in alternate frames (leading edge one frame, trailing edge the next, then back to leading edge). I've got a clear zoomed-in video export but I dunno what will happen if I try to upload that, so have a screen grab instead:
Re: Deinterlacing artefacts

Posted:
Wed Jan 13, 2021 3:25 am
by Uli Plank
It's the dreaded chroma subsampling error. Your source is probably DV, right?
QTGMC is handling that better, and I'm just about to test the new beta of VEAI, which has de-interlacing now.
De-interlacing is a complex science!
Re: Deinterlacing artefacts

Posted:
Thu Jan 21, 2021 10:26 pm
by metkat
Yup, HDV. Just confirmed still the case in beta 7.
Re: Deinterlacing artefacts

Posted:
Fri Jan 22, 2021 3:11 am
by Uli Plank
Try Video Enhance AI, they now have a de-interlacer too. I didn't see same chroma artefacts there, but instead there are some soft shadows between contrasting areas of fast moving objects. Well, as the famous Yves Faroudja once said (after working on it for decades): "de-interlacing doesn't work"…
Re: Deinterlacing artefacts

Posted:
Wed Feb 03, 2021 6:33 am
by metkat
I got excited about 'improved deinterlacing quality' in the tweet announcing Beta 8, but same behavior.
I do notice that this happens when I'm deinterlacing from the original HDV, but not when I'm deinterlacing from the same video exported to ProRes still interlaced, which supports the theory that it's a chroma subsampling issue.
Re: Deinterlacing artefacts

Posted:
Wed Feb 03, 2021 6:47 am
by Uli Plank
I'm pretty sure about that, it looks exactly like some TVs with faulty chips did years ago.