BUGS: Alpha layers plus ACES

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Paul Beauchamp

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BUGS: Alpha layers plus ACES

PostMon Jan 18, 2021 12:17 pm

Hi all,

DR Studio 17.0B Build 17
iMac Pro - Mac OSX 11.0.1

I have a number of assets (text titles) from Adobe After Effects. I usually render these out Straight in ProRes 4444 with alpha channel.

BUG 1 - Jagged edges

When working in ACES in DR, these render with jagged edges. Edges in general just don't seem very nice and a bit hard.. Switching to Davinci YRGB seems to solve the issue, however, that's not the colour space I'm working in.

DAVINCI RGB
jagged2_3.2.1.jpg
DRGB
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ACES
jagged1_3.2.2.jpg
ACES
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BUG 2 - alpha layers cause gamma shift

In this example, I have a lower third alpha asset that fills the entire frame. If I move this up, you can hopefully see a horizontal line across the image where the alpha layer ends and is causing a gamma shift.

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Alpha layer causing gamma shift
139453369_10158865117765970_8838806287471271759_o.jpg (223.16 KiB) Viewed 1074 times


BUG 3 - Gamma shift with subtitles layer

I'm experiencing the same issue as above, but with the subtitles layer. When the subtitles are on/off there is a noticeable gamma shift in the image.
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Re: BUGS: Alpha layers plus ACES

PostMon Jan 18, 2021 6:37 pm

Yep, happening for all of us. :cry:
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Re: BUGS: Alpha layers plus ACES

PostTue Jan 19, 2021 8:11 am

FYI our facility found that if you change the "Apply resize transformations in" setting from "Timeline" to something else (We have been using Gamma or Linear) these problems largely disappear.

Note that applying softening to the edges of an alpha will still break this.
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Paul Beauchamp

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Re: BUGS: Alpha layers plus ACES

PostTue Jan 19, 2021 9:23 am

Nathan Morgan wrote:FYI our facility found that if you change the "Apply resize transformations in" setting from "Timeline" to something else (We have been using Gamma or Linear) these problems largely disappear.

Note that applying softening to the edges of an alpha will still break this.


Thanks for the suggestion. I just tried both Log and Gamma. Deleted the cache and delivered a few sections but unfortunately, I do not perceive any difference.

Are BM aware of this issue?
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Re: BUGS: Alpha layers plus ACES

PostTue Jan 19, 2021 9:33 am

Paul Beauchamp wrote:Are BM aware of this issue?

Mentioning ACES is a guaranteed way to never get an answer so you never know.
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Re: BUGS: Alpha layers plus ACES

PostTue Jan 19, 2021 6:45 pm

Paul Beauchamp wrote:Are BM aware of this issue?

It's been reported here in multiple threads, so the most likely answer is yes.
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