17.1 B10 where is H265 4.2.2 10bit

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17.1 B10 where is H265 4.2.2 10bit

PostFri Feb 26, 2021 6:18 pm

The notes say, Support for hardware accelerated encoding and decoding of H.265 10-bit 4:2:2 and 4:4:4 formats on supported Intel platforms. On the Deliver Page under MP4 and Quicktime for H265/nVidia I see Main, Main 10, Main 444 and Main 444 10 bit
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Re: 17.1 B10 where is H265 4.2.2 10bit

PostFri Feb 26, 2021 8:46 pm

I guess everyone is drawing as big a blank as I am.
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Re: 17.1 B10 where is H265 4.2.2 10bit

PostSat Feb 27, 2021 3:08 am

Looks like something a lot of us have been waiting for is coming for Windows+Intel. Could it be part of Rocket Lake? This sure would help compete against Mac M1.

Very intriguing!
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Re: 17.1 B10 where is H265 4.2.2 10bit

PostSat Feb 27, 2021 2:11 pm

Frederic Berger wrote:Looks like something a lot of us have been waiting for is coming for Windows+Intel. Could it be part of Rocket Lake? This sure would help compete against Mac M1.

Very intriguing!


Wikipedia lists Rocket Lake GPU side as decoding only but the key word in Peter's notes may be Intel. (I thought it might be a feature of the RTX 3000 series nVidia cards. )
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Re: 17.1 B10 where is H265 4.2.2 10bit

PostSat Feb 27, 2021 3:29 pm

There is nothing about 4:2:2 in Nvidia's decode matrix:

https://developer.nvidia.com/video-enco ... matrix-new

There is, however, h.265 4:4:4 for the RTX 2K and 3k. Does that also imply 4:2:2 remains a mystery. I'd also bet it's Intel-only feature.

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Re: 17.1 B10 where is H265 4.2.2 10bit

PostSun Feb 28, 2021 3:56 pm

The release notes state Intel and not AMD or NVidia. My though is that it has to come from Intel's new Xe graphics chipset embedded into some of the new Rocket Lake chips to be released within a couple of weeks.
I've been on the edge to upgrade my Intel 4790k + GTX1060 rig to Ryzen 57xx + RTX3060. This will sway me towards an 11th gen Intel chip if they include hardware accelerated formats not included with nvenc.
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Re: 17.1 B10 where is H265 4.2.2 10bit

PostSun Feb 28, 2021 4:03 pm

Can anyone confirm that DaVinci Resolve Studio 17.1 Public Beta 10 is an update for Windows Running Intel?

The 17.1 Beta's were for Apple M1
The last 17.0 Beta was Beta 9 it then went to 17.0 Release

So running 17.0 Release I have no idea if I should install this (apparently Mac M1 Beta) update to my Windows-Intel machine. Even though it was Resolve that told me (late on Friday) it was an update for my Resolve.

The note on the support forum says it is for Windows, Mac and Linux.... It all seems so contradictory/

BTW I NEVER do updates on a Friday as it often means the suport team will be missing for the next 48 hours. As they have been when it comes to clarifying what sort of release this is. Better to do it on a Monday.
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Re: 17.1 B10 where is H265 4.2.2 10bit

PostSun Feb 28, 2021 4:08 pm

jamedia wrote:Can anyone confirm that DaVinci Resolve Studio 17.1 Public Beta 10 is an update for Windows Running Intel?

The 17.1 Beta's were for Apple M1
The last 17.0 Beta was Beta 9 it then went to 17.0 Release

So running 17.0 Release I have no idea if I should install this (apparently Mac M1 Beta) update to my Windows-Intel machine. Even though it was Resolve that told me (late on Friday) it was an update for my Resolve.

The note on the support forum says it is for Windows, Mac and Linux.... It all seems so contradictory/

BTW I NEVER do updates on a Friday as it often means the suport team will be missing for the next 48 hours. As they have been when it comes to clarifying what sort of release this is. Better to do it on a Monday.


Confirmed, I just installed it on my Windows 10 Preview test partition
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Re: 17.1 B10 where is H265 4.2.2 10bit

PostSun Feb 28, 2021 4:14 pm

Frederic Berger wrote:
jamedia wrote:Can anyone confirm that DaVinci Resolve Studio 17.1 Public Beta 10 is an update for Windows Running Intel?

The 17.1 Beta's were for Apple M1
The last 17.0 Beta was Beta 9 it then went to 17.0 Release

So running 17.0 Release I have no idea if I should install this (apparently Mac M1 Beta) update to my Windows-Intel machine. Even though it was Resolve that told me (late on Friday) it was an update for my Resolve.

The note on the support forum says it is for Windows, Mac and Linux.... It all seems so contradictory/

BTW I NEVER do updates on a Friday as it often means the suport team will be missing for the next 48 hours. As they have been when it comes to clarifying what sort of release this is. Better to do it on a Monday.


Confirmed, I just installed it on my Windows 10 Preview test partition


Many thanks.

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Re: 17.1 B10 where is H265 4.2.2 10bit

PostSun Feb 28, 2021 4:25 pm

Intel made significant changes to their video encoder/decoder engine in the latest Xe implementation:
From https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-rocket-lake-release-date-specifications-performance-all-we-know:
Intel's Xe graphics also bring in-built AV1 decode acceleration, which is helpful because the codec reduces bandwidth up to 20% for video streaming (such as 4K and 8K content). Rocket Lake also features Intel's 'new' Always-On QuickSync Video. This feature allows Xe Graphics to run concurrently with a discrete GPU so you can offload some workloads, like video streaming with QuickSync, to alleviate the burden on your discrete GPU. This feature has already been around for several years, but it required BIOS support, and you had to manually enable the integrated graphics unit after you installed a video card. Intel says the technique is now a supported and validated configuration that's enabled by default in the BIOS

They don't say anything about h.265 but it is possible that they are keeping it as a last minute announcement. What is super useful is to be able to enable both QuickSync and nvenc at the same time.

In the past, DVR would crash if I enabled both QuickSync and NVidia decoders at the same time. However in 17.1 beta 10, I am able to select both under Preferences->Decode Options and it no longer crashes. May be a sign that BlackMagic worked on this QuickSync concurrent processing.

I did some render tests but on my Gen 4 QuickSync cpu there is not much to prove/test.
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Re: 17.1 B10 where is H265 4.2.2 10bit

PostFri Mar 12, 2021 3:54 am

Frederic Berger wrote:The release notes state Intel and not AMD or NVidia. My though is that it has to come from Intel's new Xe graphics chipset embedded into some of the new Rocket Lake chips to be released within a couple of weeks.
I've been on the edge to upgrade my Intel 4790k + GTX1060 rig to Ryzen 57xx + RTX3060. This will sway me towards an 11th gen Intel chip if they include hardware accelerated formats not included with nvenc.


I'm on the same system as you, but with 1070Ti instead

Let's go through this together, because it certainly is worth the upgrade. Let me know if you find anything, and I'll do the same for you.
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Re: 17.1 B10 where is H265 4.2.2 10bit

PostTue Mar 16, 2021 5:54 pm

My suspicion looks to be confirmed today with the release of the new Intel 11th gen Rocket Lake platform. Up to 12 bit 4:2:2 and 4:4:4 HEVC decoding support!
And the i7-11700K seems to be a very affordable part under $400 for 8 cores and 16 threads.

Exciting times!
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Re: 17.1 B10 where is H265 4.2.2 10bit

PostTue May 11, 2021 2:22 am

Have you been able to get h265 hardware decoding on anything?

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