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red all over the place - media goes offline

PostPosted: Fri Mar 05, 2021 1:58 am
by grant.cahoon
When I first created a project, I imported photos that were in both .HEIC and JPG format and videos that were in both .MOV and MP4 format, and everything worked just fine. But when I came back to the project a few hours later, all of the .HEIC and .MOV were all offline. I could find them using the "Reveal In Finder" command,on my external hard drive, but they would not go to "on line" media. I know how to change the .HEIC files to JPG, but I don't know how to change the .MOV files to MP4. The .MOV files all came from my iPhone and the usable MP4 files all came from my video camera. Is there some way within DaVinci to convert the .MOV files to .MP4 and the .HEIC files to JPEG. The .HEIC files are ones that I imported into my Mac from my iPhone using airdrop. It's fast.

I don't know if makes any difference, but I imported all the media following the suggestion in the tutorial on the "Edit Page"

Re: red all over the place - media goes offline

PostPosted: Fri Mar 05, 2021 9:22 am
by Peter Chamberlain
Moved to DaVinci Forum

Re: red all over the place - media goes offline

PostPosted: Fri Mar 05, 2021 1:14 pm
by Uli Plank
You can re-wrap the footage from mp4 into mov with free programs like Shutter Encoder.
It's fast and lossless, worth a try. BUT, phone footage can be problematic since it has no constant frame rate.

Re: red all over the place - media goes offline

PostPosted: Fri Mar 05, 2021 7:39 pm
by grant.cahoon
I shut my computer off and restarted it. This was recommended to me in another forum post where I was asking about transitions not sticking. When I turned my computer on, all the off line photos and videos were now online. I hope that is all it takes in the future. I didn't know that frame rates weren't consistent with phones.

Re: red all over the place - media goes offline

PostPosted: Fri Mar 05, 2021 9:24 pm
by Mike Warren
Sounds like your external hard drive went to sleep. Resolve reacts badly to any hardware going offline.

See if you can turn off power management for external hard drives.

Re: red all over the place - media goes offline

PostPosted: Sun Mar 07, 2021 4:40 am
by grant.cahoon
thanks for the info. I have to use my hard drive because of lack of space on my Mac Book. Any idea how to turn the external hard drive on an off while it is attached to a Mac Book Pro?

Re: red all over the place - media goes offline

PostPosted: Sun Mar 07, 2021 4:47 am
by waltervolpatto
grant.cahoon wrote:thanks for the info. I have to use my hard drive because of lack of space on my Mac Book. Any idea how to turn the external hard drive on an off while it is attached to a Mac Book Pro?


there might be an option for "drives never going to sleep" somewhere in the OS settings....

Re: red all over the place - media goes offline

PostPosted: Sun Mar 07, 2021 6:04 am
by Peter Cave
On Mac: System Preferences > Energy Saver

Re: red all over the place - media goes offline

PostPosted: Sun Mar 07, 2021 7:21 am
by waltervolpatto
Peter Cave wrote:On Mac: System Preferences > Energy Saver


Tnanks, I'm not familiar with Mac os

Re: red all over the place - media goes offline

PostPosted: Sun Mar 07, 2021 7:08 pm
by robwuijster
Uli Plank wrote:You can re-wrap the footage from mp4 into mov with free programs like Shutter Encoder.
It's fast and lossless, worth a try. BUT, phone footage can be problematic since it has no constant frame rate.


Hi,

First off, thanks for the tip on Shutter Encoder. Great little app!! :)

I converted some video footage from a Samsung phone, to fixed framerate ProRes and DDNxHD as a test, but the filesize billows up almost ten-fold.
I understand the frame/filesize for these formats, but didn't expect the conversion for this to happen to the files.
is this to be expected?

thanks!

rob

Re: red all over the place - media goes offline

PostPosted: Sun Mar 07, 2021 10:10 pm
by Mike Warren
robwuijster wrote:I converted some video footage from a Samsung phone, to fixed framerate ProRes and DDNxHD as a test, but the filesize billows up almost ten-fold.
I understand the frame/filesize for these formats, but didn't expect the conversion for this to happen to the files.
is this to be expected?


Yes. Because you converted it to a different and much lower compression format. What Uli suggested was just re-wrapping it into a different container, but I very much suspect that would still cause you problems since it would still be variable frame rate, which Resolve has trouble dealing with.

Re-wrapping doesn't change the actual video data, so the file size will be similar, it will be exactly the same quality, and it will be quite quick to convert. But the frame rate and bit rate don't change, obviously.

There are so many options when it comes to video files that it can be very daunting at the beginning.

Basically, as far as Resolve is concerned the less compressed a file is, the easier Resolve can deal with it, but that comes with a considerable file size disadvantage. To an extent. At some point the file size gets large enough that the speed of the hard drive may have an impact.

What I do is experiment with different bit rates to find the best compromise for me.

Re: red all over the place - media goes offline

PostPosted: Mon Mar 08, 2021 8:09 am
by robwuijster
Hi Mike,

Thanks for the confirmation on the file sizes. It makes sense just thinking full conversion or just 'changing the wrapper'.

I do feel that v17 is way more sensitive on this 'media offline' issue, as I have never had this with v16 on the same projects with footage that comes from different sources, frame rates and different disks.

cheers!

rob

Re: red all over the place - media goes offline

PostPosted: Mon Mar 08, 2021 8:30 pm
by Peter McLennan
None of this explains why the "Media Offline" messages appear seemingly at random, only to disappear by themselves. Sometimes.