[Question/Request] why is 25 fps missing!

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Re: [Question/Request] why is 25 fps missing!

PostMon Mar 08, 2021 11:06 am

Maybe the problem can arise if you use a screen recorder that records with variable fps - then Davinci Resolve might have trouble guessing the right number of fps!
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Re: [Question/Request] why is 25 fps missing!

PostMon Mar 08, 2021 11:48 am

"2) I tried save a default 25 fps project start..."

No, problems here....

https://www. youtube.com/watch?v=nE6BCbYdqyg
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Re: [Question/Request] why is 25 fps missing!

PostMon Mar 08, 2021 7:20 pm

It is called a WORKAROUND!!!! sure I can do a LOT. of things as hard as it should be... this posts are NOT for you but for making improvements to the program!
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Re: [Question/Request] why is 25 fps missing!

PostMon Mar 08, 2021 7:41 pm

Setting default app behaviour is for you a workaround?
Not sure what improvements are you talking about as all what you described/want is already in Resolve?

I think this thread is basically finished.
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Re: [Question/Request] why is 25 fps missing!

PostMon Mar 08, 2021 7:42 pm

I'm sorry but I don't understand what's your goal here, at this point...
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Re: [Question/Request] why is 25 fps missing!

PostMon Mar 08, 2021 9:22 pm

Ole Kristiansen wrote:Hej !

Er det optaget med skærmoptager ?

Hvis du kender free app: mediainfo... kan du vise specs af dine optagelser ?


Davici er bare et lorte program, med undtagelser af deres color grading. Jeg ved at det ikke er noget problem i andre NLE programmer, ville bare gerne have det blev bedre i Davinci, men med alle de hadefulde kommentarer så dropper jeg det og holder mig til premiere pro nu.
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Re: [Question/Request] why is 25 fps missing!

PostMon Mar 08, 2021 10:15 pm

BumbleBee wrote:
Ole Kristiansen wrote:Hej !

Er det optaget med skærmoptager ?

Hvis du kender free app: mediainfo... kan du vise specs af dine optagelser ?


Davici er bare et lorte program, med undtagelser af deres color grading. Jeg ved at det ikke er noget problem i andre NLE programmer, ville bare gerne have det blev bedre i Davinci, men med alle de hadefulde kommentarer så dropper jeg det og holder mig til premiere pro nu.


Great to you, great to us. Finally.
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Re: [Question/Request] why is 25 fps missing!

PostMon Mar 08, 2021 10:48 pm

Charles Bennett wrote:Forgetting to make sure the settings you need are correct or not is not the fault of Resolve. ;)


quote if the week...or year.

geez, this is so damn easy its not funny. Check your settings at the start...OR, you can create a "default" project - mine is 1080p 25fps plus a few other settings and all my main bins in place - footage, audio, music, GFX, SFX, timelines etc etc - so when I start a new project I open that default save as my new project name and voila, framerate and all basic settings are already there.
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Re: [Question/Request] why is 25 fps missing!

PostMon Mar 08, 2021 11:26 pm

Claus, this thought may frustrate you but I've found it to be the reality about Resolve:

BMD makes fantastic, out-of-the-box-thinking products - but they ALL have bugs. And this apparently is a cultural thing with BMD going back more than 15 years.

I've been waiting for 4 years for the Malaysian engineers to fix very simple, basic issues with audio in Resolve to no avail. After wasting hours, days on troubleshooting, sending in formal trouble tickets I finally gave up, and my workflow now is to do all my recording and high-functioning tasks outside of Resolve and then import it.

I've found this to be the case in every other area where Resolve is either buggy and unreliable or, just doesn't work properly at all: Those specific tasks get done with other apps/programs and then use DR to piece it all together into a final.

Like you I'd love nothing better than to use DR for all my post, a one-stop-shop as it were, but reality is far from that. And so rather than fuss, complain and waste time troubleshooting or finding workarounds I just use my "filler workflows" and keep working.

I'm finding in this realm where older tools/apps have gone by the wayside with no replacement (i.e. PEAK from Bias Inc.) that every application becomes a specialist in what it CAN do.

For me it's...

- Timeline assembly/edits/final: Resolve
- Audio recording thru plug-ins: Audio Hijack
- Stills: Pixelmator Pro
- High-level conversions: Compressor
- Camera files to ProRes conversions: EditReady
- Noise reduction/warps: FCPX
- Web-ready finals: Handbrake
- Keeping the blood pressure down when Resolve has fits: Remy Martin.
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Re: [Question/Request] why is 25 fps missing!

PostTue Mar 09, 2021 1:39 am

For me it's...

- Timeline assembly/edits/final and grading: Resolve
- Audio recording: always separate with TC
- Stills: Affinity
- High-level conversions: Compressor
- Camera files to ProRes conversions: Kyno (integration with NR for some Metadata)
- Noise reduction/warps: Neatvideo in DR (when its own NR doesn't cut it)
- Web-ready finals: Handbrake (just now trying Mainconcept integration)
- Keeping the blood pressure down when Resolve has fits: a good Spanish or Italian Red.

And having pre-configured projects for all formats I need regularly is helping a lot with my blood pressure, even at 25 fps ;-)
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Re: [Question/Request] why is 25 fps missing!

PostTue Mar 09, 2021 1:59 am

producerguy wrote:Claus, this thought may frustrate you but I've found it to be the reality about Resolve:

BMD makes fantastic, out-of-the-box-thinking products - but they ALL have bugs. And this apparently is a cultural thing with BMD going back more than 15 years.

I've been waiting for 4 years for the Malaysian engineers to fix very simple, basic issues with audio in Resolve to no avail. After wasting hours, days on troubleshooting, sending in formal trouble tickets I finally gave up, and my workflow now is to do all my recording and high-functioning tasks outside of Resolve and then import it.

I've found this to be the case in every other area where Resolve is either buggy and unreliable or, just doesn't work properly at all: Those specific tasks get done with other apps/programs and then use DR to piece it all together into a final.

Like you I'd love nothing better than to use DR for all my post, a one-stop-shop as it were, but reality is far from that. And so rather than fuss, complain and waste time troubleshooting or finding workarounds I just use my "filler workflows" and keep working.

I'm finding in this realm where older tools/apps have gone by the wayside with no replacement (i.e. PEAK from Bias Inc.) that every application becomes a specialist in what it CAN do.

For me it's...

- Timeline assembly/edits/final: Resolve
- Audio recording thru plug-ins: Audio Hijack
- Stills: Pixelmator Pro
- High-level conversions: Compressor
- Camera files to ProRes conversions: EditReady
- Noise reduction/warps: FCPX
- Web-ready finals: Handbrake
- Keeping the blood pressure down when Resolve has fits: Remy Martin.


Thanks for sharing - yeah I wish there could be a better way to talk to the development people, maybe they could make zoom meetings, where people could help and test. I don't know why they don't want feedback and help.
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Re: [Question/Request] why is 25 fps missing!

PostTue Mar 09, 2021 3:11 am

Jeff Brass wrote:geez, this is so damn easy its not funny. Check your settings at the start...OR, you can create a "default" project - mine is 1080p 25fps plus a few other settings and all my main bins in place - footage, audio, music, GFX, SFX, timelines etc etc - so when I start a new project I open that default save as my new project name and voila, framerate and all basic settings are already there.

That is exactly what we do. We're about to recreate all the "template" project settings for Resolve 17 as we begin the big switchover. I'm starting from scratch rather than bringing in the old Resolve 16 projects, just to make sure everything is kosher.

Of course, you can change the timeline frame rate if you start a new timeline and use the individual timeline settings and not project settings. It's a little bit of a workaround, but it is a legitimate way of doing true 25fps with 25fps material.
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Re: [Question/Request] why is 25 fps missing!

PostTue Mar 09, 2021 9:40 am

And I'd avoid to use 25 fps (or anything else) in a timeline that does not have the same frame rate. Any algorithm that computers are using to adapt frame rates can show artefacts, depending on content and motion. I admit that Speed Warp is doing a remarkable job, but it's sloooow.
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Re: [Question/Request] why is 25 fps missing!

PostTue Mar 09, 2021 10:39 am

BumbleBee wrote:Thanks for sharing - yeah I wish there could be a better way to talk to the development people, maybe they could make zoom meetings, where people could help and test. I don't know why they don't want feedback and help.


This is unlikely to happen as programmers have no time for this.
It’s not their job to talk on zoom about possible problem. They are paid way too much for this.
Reports collection and bugs validation process needs to happen way before it gets to programmers.
Once it’s validate then product manager creates list of most urgent bugs fixes etc. and only then it gets to programmers.
You idea is more like a wishful dream which is not going to happen. If you still don’t understand why answer is simple: time and money ( also properly structured work organisation). Situation where programmer jumps on zoom call with client and then possibly fixes issue is a fantasy, even based on fact that 80% of those calls would be about users problems not real issues. Whole thing would end up been a real nightmare for BM. Not going even mention about needed and wasted $ for such a support. How could you finance it from 300$ paid version and 1000x more free version user base?

If there is a real problem and you send report in the way BM ask you then they will look into it. Fix may come in next update or way later.
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Re: [Question/Request] why is 25 fps missing!

PostTue Mar 09, 2021 2:53 pm

Well, that's why large companies have their own in-house developers. But we are talking a very different price level then.
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Re: [Question/Request] why is 25 fps missing!

PostTue Mar 09, 2021 3:32 pm

Without brand name I can tell you that we use to pay 5K$+ every year for application support and even then many serious bugs were not fixed for years. There were only about 2 releases per year, so even if something was fixed you had to wait 6 months. BM compared to that is a great service :)
Even for small or average company it's now sometimes better to pay a programmer (or train their staff) to do dedicated tool/service. Of course apps like Resolve can't be really written in house, but many others can.
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Re: [Question/Request] why is 25 fps missing!

PostTue Mar 09, 2021 4:17 pm

Andrew Kolakowski wrote:Without brand name I can tell you that we use to pay 5K$+ every year for application support and even then many serious bugs were not fixed for years. There were only about 2 releases per year, so even if something was fixed you had to wait 6 months. BM compared to that is a great service :)
Even for small or average company it's now sometimes better to pay a programmer (or train their staff) to do dedicated tool/service. Of course apps like Resolve can't be really written in house, but many others can.


well i can say that for resolve before blackmagic and quantel, if you had a dozen or so machines,, yu where looking for half a million dollars in 24h support.... and good luck make any changes to the software....
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Re: [Question/Request] why is 25 fps missing!

PostWed Mar 10, 2021 3:41 am

waltervolpatto wrote:
Andrew Kolakowski wrote:Without brand name I can tell you that we use to pay 5K$+ every year for application support and even then many serious bugs were not fixed for years. There were only about 2 releases per year, so even if something was fixed you had to wait 6 months. BM compared to that is a great service :)
Even for small or average company it's now sometimes better to pay a programmer (or train their staff) to do dedicated tool/service. Of course apps like Resolve can't be really written in house, but many others can.


well i can say that for resolve before blackmagic and quantel, if you had a dozen or so machines,, yu where looking for half a million dollars in 24h support.... and good luck make any changes to the software....



see AGAIN you are mocking! what a sick forum this is!!!
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Re: [Question/Request] why is 25 fps missing!

PostWed Mar 10, 2021 3:57 am

Absolutely, a very sick forum every sane person should leave immediately.

But, remember, bumblebees are known to make a lot of sound, but rarely sting ;-)

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Re: [Question/Request] why is 25 fps missing!

PostWed Mar 10, 2021 4:09 am

I'm locking this thread.

A lot of the discussion is not about the issue.

BMD, me, we, do look at the forums and we do take feedback. You will notice i made a feedback sub forum for this.

We are also keen to have bugs reported, but equally expect details on how to repo them and at least an understanding that Resolve operates in one way which might be different to other apps so the question then becomes, is it a bug or would i prefer it to work a different way.

Please focus on the issues guys, be generous in your details when reporting things that done make sense, seem like bugs or you would prefer to work differently.

Finally, please avoid CAPS, it not appropiate in most cases and takes me ages to remove them.
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