Can we set a Range in Volume dB?

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Can we set a Range in Volume dB?

PostTue Apr 27, 2021 4:51 am

can we set a range of volume level? I mean we can set track or clip level volume or we can Normalize all clip volume so that it doesnt go beyond an upper limit, can we also make a lower limit, I mean A range of dB where the voice-over or music will rest. For instance, some people recommend mixing your audio to between -10 and -15db, now u can set the audio track level to the upper limit, how can u set the lower limit?
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Re: Can we set a Range in Volume dB?

PostTue Apr 27, 2021 7:58 am

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Re: Can we set a Range in Volume dB?

PostTue Apr 27, 2021 8:06 am

there are some third party plugins that can get part of the way there like waves MV2 or vocal rider, but generally we just use a compressor or limiter or both to reduce the dynamic range (softest to loudest) if it needs it and mix the dialogue to a level we can hear. Most of it is done by moving the fader for the channel.
As a sound mixer, I find the training videos saying to set your voice within the yellow on the meters to be a bit unrealistic , we don't mix like that, but I get the aim for people who don't work in sound. Reduce the dynamic range a bit if it needs it, then set the level by ear, if you can't hear it turn it up, or turn the music down etc... yes red is getting too hot within the channel, but it's all relative to where everything else is and what sort of music you have etc..
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Re: Can we set a Range in Volume dB?

PostTue Apr 27, 2021 9:56 am

Andy Evans wrote:there are some third party plugins that can get part of the way there like waves MV2 or vocal rider, but generally we just use a compressor or limiter or both to reduce the dynamic range (softest to loudest) if it needs it and mix the dialogue to a level we can hear. Most of it is done by moving the fader for the channel.
As a sound mixer, I find the training videos saying to set your voice within the yellow on the meters to be a bit unrealistic , we don't mix like that, but I get the aim for people who don't work in sound. Reduce the dynamic range a bit if it needs it, then set the level by ear, if you can't hear it turn it up, or turn the music down etc... yes red is getting too hot within the channel, but it's all relative to where everything else is and what sort of music you have etc..


thank u very much, actually the compressor works on the peak, limiter seems to work on the low level, I tried the limiter (didnt work that much), maybe I m missing something. My knowledge is limited in sound.
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Re: Can we set a Range in Volume dB?

PostTue Apr 27, 2021 10:11 am

You can think of a compressor as pushing up, while a limiter is more like pushing down - and yeah, I know that's a bit oversimplified, but you get the gist.
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Re: Can we set a Range in Volume dB?

PostTue Apr 27, 2021 10:24 am

From my perspective I use clip gain as a trimming device to even up levels between clips and bring them into a useful volume range. A compressor or limiter to control sudden peaks is added to the mixer channel. Then EQ is added if needed. I've never liked normalise so don't use it. Mixing is always done with faders. I have found that mixing using keyframes, apart from being a slow process, usually sounds a bit clinical compared to actually feeling the mix with your fingers.
Mixing by ear is the way to go, but like color grading, you do need a calibrated monitoring system.
It can be hard to actually describe the mixing process rather than seeing it. :)
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Re: Can we set a Range in Volume dB?

PostTue Apr 27, 2021 2:59 pm

drkfuture1 wrote: actually the compressor works on the peak, limiter seems to work on the low level, I tried the limiter (didnt work that much), maybe I m missing something. My knowledge is limited in sound.


A compressor and a limiter are essentially more or less the same type of device but with different settings. A limiter has much faster attack/release times (generally) than a compressor.

Both work by taking a signal that is above a given threshold and reducing the signal by a ratio.

What gives you the impression of a louder signal is the ability to then increase the level after the dynamic range has been reduced. In dynamics that's "makeup gain", i.e. you apply gain to makeup for the loss of loud levels (the reduced loudest parts of the signal). That can be done several ways, and one of the ways is to use the compressor/limiter's built-in makeup gain if it is included.

So neither of the two "work on the low level" - they work on "the high levels"

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If you want to narrow the dynamic range then a limiter to shave off transients/peaks is useful, as is a compressor to compress the slightly longer periods of levels above a threshold. After that's done you may need to increase level again to make up for it. As you do this you narrow the dynamic range. As was pointed out you can use different types of automation to manage this, or an automated plugin for riding levels.

I basically agree with the others in general.
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Re: Can we set a Range in Volume dB?

PostTue Apr 27, 2021 7:27 pm

Thank you very very much guys, so kind of you. Very informative.

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