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Use Qualifier on clip underneath?

PostPosted: Fri Jul 09, 2021 5:48 pm
by TheCameraGuy
Hey everyone!
I'm producing a music video right now and I have two clips I would like to combine.

The first clip is a musician in front of a white background.
The second clip is on top of the first one. It is a rain of plastic balls in front of a black background. It is set on "exclusion", so the black background disappears.

Now I want the balls behind the musician, so the moment they "touch" him, they have to be masked out.

I wanted to use the qualifier in the clip with the balls. So that the balls only appear where the white background of the clip underneath is.
But is there a way to use the qualifier on a clip that only shines through, but isn't the actual clip I use the qualifier in? I hope I could describe that properly.

Because of the amount of work and performance issues, I don't want to make a fusion comp out of it.

Sooooooo... Any tips how to do that?

Thanks in beforehand!

Btw: The clip of the balls is a fusion composition i rendered in place. So if you have any suggestions that only work without the black background, I can remove it.

Re: Use Qualifier on clip underneath?

PostPosted: Fri Jul 09, 2021 6:56 pm
by TheCameraGuy
Is it at least clear what I tried to explain? I have the feeling that I failed a bit here :D

Re: Use Qualifier on clip underneath?

PostPosted: Fri Jul 09, 2021 10:45 pm
by Mike Warren
The way I'd do it if Fusion wasn't an option is to create a polygon mask in the colour page and rotoscope it.

Re: Use Qualifier on clip underneath?

PostPosted: Sat Jul 10, 2021 4:23 pm
by Jim Simon
Add a white Solid Color to V1, balls on V2 keying out the black, and musician on V3 keying out the white.

Re: Use Qualifier on clip underneath?

PostPosted: Sat Jul 10, 2021 4:54 pm
by Gary Hango
Jim Simon wrote:Add a white Solid Color to V1, balls on V2 keying out the black, and musician on V3 keying out the white.

There’s a lot of white on that trombone bell, so keying white may be problematic.

Re: Use Qualifier on clip underneath?

PostPosted: Sat Jul 10, 2021 6:04 pm
by Howard Roll
Split the difference. Change the background of the Fusion comp to white and leave it on the bottom layer. Then use 2 layers, a luma key for the player, and track a shape mask for the bell of the trombone.

Why is there a drop shadow on the mask? Did I accidentally turn on iMovie mode somewhere?

Good Luck

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Re: Use Qualifier on clip underneath?

PostPosted: Sat Jul 10, 2021 7:20 pm
by Jim Simon
Gary Hango wrote:There’s a lot of white on that trombone bell
Mmmm...here's where a proper green screen would have helped.

Re: Use Qualifier on clip underneath?

PostPosted: Sun Jul 11, 2021 10:58 am
by TheCameraGuy
Jim Simon wrote:Add a white Solid Color to V1, balls on V2 keying out the black, and musician on V3 keying out the white.


YES, that worked really well! And is easy to reproduce. I have like 50 clips of different musicians I have do do this with.

Thank you all very much! I used the circular mask on the trombone to prevent the mask from keying it out. Next time I will definitely work with green screen...

Cheers!