6K Pro w Mojave & MacPro Mid 2010

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6K Pro w Mojave & MacPro Mid 2010

PostWed Oct 20, 2021 5:17 am

:?: TL;DR - I'm looking for a direct link to download Resolve 16.3 :?:

Hello,

This is my first post. Checked what I could of the thread, got answers that were close but, not close enough.

I thought DR 16 supported the BRAW from the BMPCC6K Pro as per one of the message board answers. When I downloaded it, BRAW did not work. It's the latest iteration of version 16 available on the support page; 16.2.8.005. Looking at more board answers, someone suggested it had to specifically be 16.3.

There is no 16.3 in the downloads. I found a message board post from a member of Blackmagic who posted that 16.3 was available, but provided no direct link.

I also see posts from other websites that 16.3 is only for PC? I just want to know:

:arrow: Is DR 16.3 available for the Mac will support the BRAW that is shot on the BMPCC6K Pro?

Thanks so much in advance for any help!

(I know, this is an OOOLD machine! It's my next planned upgrade, but please humor me for the time being!)
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Re: 6K Pro w Mojave & MacPro Mid 2010

PostWed Oct 20, 2021 8:59 am

You should give version 17 a try. Even if it's not officially supported under Mojave, it may work.
It did for me before I updated.
Now that the cat #19 is out of the bag, test it as much as you can and use the subforum.

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Re: 6K Pro w Mojave & MacPro Mid 2010

PostWed Oct 20, 2021 9:45 am

Uli Plank wrote:You should give version 17 a try. Even if it's not officially supported under Mojave, it may work.
It did for me before I updated.


I suppose I could try installing it and see if installation even works. Truthfully, it’s making me nervous now that at first someone said version 16 works, but it didn’t. Then someone else said 16.3 works, bunt it didn’t. And now I’m being told 17 works, and I guess I’ll see if it does. But why did anyone say 16 or 16.3 worked when neither actually did? :?
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Re: 6K Pro w Mojave & MacPro Mid 2010

PostWed Oct 20, 2021 10:20 am

DR 16,3 beta was replaced by final 17,0 (and can't use BRAW files from a 6k pro)

and you need minimal 17.1.1 for BRAW files from a 6k pro, or 4k/6k with firmware 7.3 and up.

on my main cMP i can use the 6k pro BRAW 6k 5.1 files with 17.3.2 in a UHD timeline.

for more color nodes or plugins i use a HD timeline to work.

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Re: 6K Pro w Mojave & MacPro Mid 2010

PostWed Oct 20, 2021 10:21 am

Oh shoot. After the months of research I did before purchasing the 6K Pro, I still missed this. I think… I’m out of luck until I can afford a new computer… :(

Mark Foster wrote:and if you use an old cMP - cant read the new braw 2,0 files,
because of missing the avx instruction in the old xeons :- (

I hope BMD will listen to us
from Sat Sep 05, 2020 10:38 am

cMP = Classic Mac Pro, which is what I have.

And there is this from an article about EVX and older Macs:

“If you own or rely heavily on a Mac Pro cheese-grater in your studio then this issue may affect you in the near future as it’s down to something called AVX support.

What Is AVX Support?

AVX is short for Advanced Vector Extensions which is also known as Sandy Bridge New Extensions. AVX are extensions to the x86 instruction set architecture for microprocessors from Intel and AMD proposed by Intel in March 2008.

These were first supported by Intel with the Sandy Bridge processor that shipped in Q1 2011 and later on by AMD in Q3 2011. AVX provides new features, new instructions and a new coding scheme to allow for better performance, which all sounds great but where does this leave those who run old Mac Pro Cheese-graters?

The old Mac Pro may not be the only type of computer lacking AVX. If you own a computer similar in age then you can perform a quick internet search to find out if your system’s processors includes AVX.”

And from Dwaine Maggart on Wed Apr 15, 2020 8:06 pm:

Dwaine Maggart wrote:To be more explicit, BRAW requires AVX, AVX2 or SSE4.1 minimum support.

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Re: 6K Pro w Mojave & MacPro Mid 2010

PostWed Oct 20, 2021 10:43 am

I'd go for a cheap Mac mini then.
It handles 6K Pro footage smoothly in an HD timeline and renders 4K/UHD just fine. Actually, it even doesn't complain if I feed it 12K, bu that's not smooth any more.
Now that the cat #19 is out of the bag, test it as much as you can and use the subforum.

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Re: 6K Pro w Mojave & MacPro Mid 2010

PostWed Oct 20, 2021 12:58 pm

DR 17 does not need AFX anymore for BRAW on a cMP and running well (if you can say it like that)

a M1 mini does not working well with 6k BRAW files in a UHD timeline,
and also in a HD timeline with a big nodetree is not a happyness : -(

hope we see soon what the M1max can do, or the next M silicon generation in a new macpro ; -)
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Re: 6K Pro w Mojave & MacPro Mid 2010

PostWed Oct 20, 2021 1:52 pm

Woh!

Thank you for the help everyone!

One thing I'll say first - I wasn't even able to preview the files until I upgraded to the Blackmagic RAW 2.0 dmg file that I downloaded from the website. Now I can at least play my clips with that. I thought that meant I could now edit in Resolve, but... no. And I return here to see everyones amazing wonderful answers.. just too bad you've confirmed that it still can't be done.

So then, what I'm hearing is... the only things Macs can handle now are 4K timelines and deliveries, even though it can work with 6K fies, I have to edit in 4K at most, and can only be exported as 4K at most?
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Re: 6K Pro w Mojave & MacPro Mid 2010

PostWed Oct 20, 2021 2:07 pm

Why should you need 6K in a timeline? There is no delivery format for that resolution. 6K is excellent to be downsampled to 4K or UHD and will deliver very crisp results. You can even afford a bit of re-framing.

Please remember that 6K photocells on a Bayer sensor, now sometimes called 'sensels', don't resolve 6K.

And why don't you try to use your cMP? Mark informed us: "DR 17 does not need AFX anymore for BRAW on a cMP" (which I didn't know) and it might handle it OKish. You may need a stronger GPU, though, and I doubt the cMP is worth that investment today.
Now that the cat #19 is out of the bag, test it as much as you can and use the subforum.

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Re: 6K Pro w Mojave & MacPro Mid 2010

PostWed Oct 20, 2021 3:40 pm

as i wrote above: DR 16 and DR 17 before 17.1.1 can't play the BRAW 2.1 files from the 6k pro

installing DR 17.1.1 or later is necessary!
(actualy it is 17.3.2 with BRAW 2.2)

and yes, uli is right - you need a better newer AMD GPU
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Re: 6K Pro w Mojave & MacPro Mid 2010

PostThu Oct 21, 2021 11:01 pm

Uli Plank wrote:Why should you need 6K in a timeline? There is no delivery format for that resolution. 6K is excellent to be downsampled to 4K or UHD and will deliver very crisp results. You can even afford a bit of re-framing.

Please remember that 6K photocells on a Bayer sensor, now sometimes called 'sensels', don't resolve 6K.

And why don't you try to use your cMP? Mark informed us: "DR 17 does not need AFX anymore for BRAW on a cMP" (which I didn't know) and it might handle it OKish. You may need a stronger GPU, though, and I doubt the cMP is worth that investment today.


I've tried. The most recent Resolve I can run is 16.2.8.005 and BRAW footage is not importing in any way whatsoever. Resolve 17 requires Catalina (10.5) and I can only go so far as Mojave. Catalina requires a more recent Mac Pro. Mine is the mid 2010 model.
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Re: 6K Pro w Mojave & MacPro Mid 2010

PostFri Oct 22, 2021 8:14 am

Well, feeling sorry for you, but 11 years are an eternity in IT. Get the cheapest Mac mini, but with 16 GB RAM if you can. It flies with BRAW.
Now that the cat #19 is out of the bag, test it as much as you can and use the subforum.

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