Davinci on Apple M1 Max vs 5950X 3090 - 2x faster !!!

Get answers to your questions about color grading, editing and finishing with DaVinci Resolve.
  • Author
  • Message
Offline

SkierEvans

  • Posts: 970
  • Joined: Wed Jan 24, 2018 9:59 pm
  • Location: Ottawa, Ontario
  • Real Name: Ron Evans

Re: Davinci on Apple M1 Max vs 5950X 3090 - 2x faster !!!

PostMon Nov 08, 2021 9:07 pm

Uli Plank wrote:And you can buy the whole laptop for the current price of an available RTX3090 card.

More useful you can actually buy the laptop as it is almost impossible to find NVIDIA GPU's at the moment.
Threadripper 1920, Gigabyte X399 DESIGNARE EX, 32G RAM, Gigabyte 4070Ti 12G, ASUS PB328Q, IP4K, WIN10 Pro 22H2, Speed Editor

Resolve Studio 18, EDIUS 9WG,EDIUS X WG, Vegas 18

Studio Max M1 24 core GPU, 32G, 1T drive. iPad Pro 12.9` M2 16G, 1T
Offline
User avatar

Uli Plank

  • Posts: 21291
  • Joined: Fri Feb 08, 2013 2:48 am
  • Location: Germany and Indonesia

Re: Davinci on Apple M1 Max vs 5950X 3090 - 2x faster !!!

PostTue Nov 09, 2021 1:57 am

Maybe Apple laptops are not that good for mining…
No, an iGPU is not enough, and you can't use HEVC 10 bit 4:2:2 in the free version.

Studio 18.6.5, MacOS 13.6.5
MacBook M1 Pro, 16 GPU cores, 32 GB RAM and iPhone 15 Pro
Speed Editor, UltraStudio Monitor 3G, iMac 2017, eGPU
Offline

Ellory Yu

  • Posts: 3944
  • Joined: Wed Jul 30, 2014 5:25 pm

Re: Davinci on Apple M1 Max vs 5950X 3090 - 2x faster !!!

PostTue Nov 09, 2021 3:31 am

SkierEvans wrote:If there is a new Mac Mini Pro I will be interested in buying compared to upgrading my 1080Ti . If I could even get a GPU now!! The combination of PC and M1 Mini Pro would be good. Not interested in laptop.

Same here... when there is a new Mac Mini M1/Max. The MBP has an impressive display but too small for me. I have better display and much larger. ;)
URSA Mini Pro 4.6K G2, Blackmagic Design Pocket Cinema Camera 6K, Panasonic GH5
PC Workstation Core I7 64Gb, 2 x AMD R9 390X 8Gb, Blackmagic Design DeckLink 4K Mini Monitor, Windows 10 Pro 64-bit, Resolve Studio 18, BM Micro Panel & Speed Editor
Offline

SkierEvans

  • Posts: 970
  • Joined: Wed Jan 24, 2018 9:59 pm
  • Location: Ottawa, Ontario
  • Real Name: Ron Evans

Re: Davinci on Apple M1 Max vs 5950X 3090 - 2x faster !!!

PostTue Nov 09, 2021 1:29 pm

Did you see this
As with most things it depends what you do and how you do it.
Threadripper 1920, Gigabyte X399 DESIGNARE EX, 32G RAM, Gigabyte 4070Ti 12G, ASUS PB328Q, IP4K, WIN10 Pro 22H2, Speed Editor

Resolve Studio 18, EDIUS 9WG,EDIUS X WG, Vegas 18

Studio Max M1 24 core GPU, 32G, 1T drive. iPad Pro 12.9` M2 16G, 1T
Offline
User avatar

lukas108

  • Posts: 29
  • Joined: Sun Aug 15, 2021 7:53 am
  • Location: Poland
  • Real Name: Łukasz Drozd

Re: Davinci on Apple M1 Max vs 5950X 3090 - 2x faster !!!

PostWed Nov 10, 2021 11:32 am

SkierEvans wrote:Did you see this
As with most things it depends what you do and how you do it.


With quarter proxy every modern computer (yes PC also) is able to run evry type of video in most cases. I'm not sure what that video suppose to say.

Everything is a question of optimizations. On PC also.
PC AMD 5950X, RTX3090 24GB, 64GB DDR4, 6xSSD, RME Audio system + EVE studio monitors
Offline

Mario Kalogjera

  • Posts: 1201
  • Joined: Sat Oct 31, 2015 8:44 pm

Re: Davinci on Apple M1 Max vs 5950X 3090 - 2x faster !!!

PostWed Nov 10, 2021 12:32 pm

I can do 4K with grain on a 2 GB GT1030 in quarter proxy at playback no problem. But you can't render it out...

Sent from my Mi 9T using Tapatalk
Asus Prime X370-Pro+R7 3700X@PBO+32 GB G.Skill AEGIS DDR-4@3200MHz
Sapphire RX6700 10GB
Adata A400 120GB System,A2000 500GB Scratch SSDs
Media storage:"Always in motion is it"
BMD Mini Monitor 4K
Windows 11 Pro+Resolve Studio 18+Fusion Studio 18
Offline

gemmergemmer

  • Posts: 2
  • Joined: Fri Jan 07, 2022 12:30 am
  • Real Name: Søren Gemmer

Re: Davinci on Apple M1 Max vs 5950X 3090 - 2x faster !!!

PostThu Jan 13, 2022 8:38 pm

Hi everybody
I just did rather extensive testing between my Intel i7 8-core 3,8 Ghz CPU, 126 GB ram, Amd Radeon Pro 5700 8GB, 2020 27" iMac and my good friends M1 Pro (10-core CPU, 16-core GPU) with 32 GB ram.

Short story:
Davinci Resolve Studio performance - the M1 Pro was twice as fast for a rather heavy 3,5 min multilayered video, with some 2D Fusion processing. Epic performance during render in the Delivery page.

BUT, important:

Davinci Resolve Studio Fusion Page // Blackmagic Fusion Studio performance with heavy, complex 3D-particle systems and Depth-of-Field Accumulation Effects in the CameraRender-node: the M1 Pro suffered greatly, was something like 25% of the render speed (both when using Render All Savers in Blackmagic Fusion-standalone and when rendering via Media Out-node in the Davinci Resolve Deliver Page) of the Intel iMac from mid-2020.

Bottom line: it appears that Davince Resolve has been optimized for the Apple Silicons, and that Fusion has not.

Does anybody have reallife scenario A/B-testing experience like this one to share? It seems that the youtubers of this world are consent with doing very, very basic Fusion-compositions and don't bother doing anything advanced for testing the M1 Pro's and M1 Max's...
Offline

SkierEvans

  • Posts: 970
  • Joined: Wed Jan 24, 2018 9:59 pm
  • Location: Ottawa, Ontario
  • Real Name: Ron Evans

Re: Davinci on Apple M1 Max vs 5950X 3090 - 2x faster !!!

PostFri Jan 14, 2022 4:04 pm

Maybe worth looking at this.




In Ottawa I do not think I can get a 3090 anyway, Can order a 16" Max for about $4149 or a Dell Alienware Ryzen 5950 with a RTX3090 for $4999 both with 1T drives and 32G RAM. Not sure how close a single RTX3090 is to two RTX5000 but I expect competitive and likely faster than the laptops. But a lot more room, power and noise of course. But I currently have no Apple products being Windows and Android .
Threadripper 1920, Gigabyte X399 DESIGNARE EX, 32G RAM, Gigabyte 4070Ti 12G, ASUS PB328Q, IP4K, WIN10 Pro 22H2, Speed Editor

Resolve Studio 18, EDIUS 9WG,EDIUS X WG, Vegas 18

Studio Max M1 24 core GPU, 32G, 1T drive. iPad Pro 12.9` M2 16G, 1T
Offline
User avatar

Uli Plank

  • Posts: 21291
  • Joined: Fri Feb 08, 2013 2:48 am
  • Location: Germany and Indonesia

Re: Davinci on Apple M1 Max vs 5950X 3090 - 2x faster !!!

PostSat Jan 15, 2022 1:06 am

Try this project, which used to be on BM's Fusion site before. It hits the machine pretty hard and gave me similar results as you describe: M1 is great for Resolve, but not (yet?) for Fusion.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/2i1vm5rjv3kqr ... t.zip?dl=0
No, an iGPU is not enough, and you can't use HEVC 10 bit 4:2:2 in the free version.

Studio 18.6.5, MacOS 13.6.5
MacBook M1 Pro, 16 GPU cores, 32 GB RAM and iPhone 15 Pro
Speed Editor, UltraStudio Monitor 3G, iMac 2017, eGPU
Offline
User avatar

Marc Wielage

  • Posts: 10914
  • Joined: Fri Oct 18, 2013 2:46 am
  • Location: Hollywood, USA

Re: Davinci on Apple M1 Max vs 5950X 3090 - 2x faster !!!

PostSat Jan 15, 2022 1:46 am

Rick van den Berg wrote:I'm glad people still get themselves into situations where macbooks outperform high end windows pc's, somehow. It keeps the market healthy and keeps the boys separated from men who do know how to handle a windows/linux pc.

I have both a "big rig" 2019 Mac Pro desktop and an M1 Max MacBook Pro, and the Mac Pro is significantly faster. What's impressive to me is how the laptop has narrowed the gap between a cheap ($4000) laptop and a $20,000 workstation.
marc wielage, csi • VP/color & workflow • chroma | hollywood
Offline

Steve Alexander

  • Posts: 4517
  • Joined: Mon Mar 23, 2015 2:15 am

Re: Davinci on Apple M1 Max vs 5950X 3090 - 2x faster !!!

PostSat Jan 15, 2022 1:13 pm

Uli Plank wrote:Try this project, which used to be on BM's Fusion site before. It hits the machine pretty hard and gave me similar results as you describe: M1 is great for Resolve, but not (yet?) for Fusion.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/2i1vm5rjv3kqr ... t.zip?dl=0


What sort of render times would you expect for this spaceship project. It took my i9 with a P4000 over 50 minutes to render which is pretty poor performance, I would think.
Time Traveller
Resolve Studio 18.6.6 | Fusion Studio 18.6.6 | Win 11 Pro (22H2) | i9-7940x, P4000 (536.96, 8GB VRAM), 64GB RAM, M.2 boot, SSD scratch, RAID10 data | (laptop) 16" MacBook Pro M1 MAX, 32 GPU cores, 64 GB RAM, 2 TB SSD, Sonoma 14.4
Offline

bror31

  • Posts: 150
  • Joined: Mon Sep 30, 2019 2:03 pm
  • Real Name: Bruno Pierucci

Re: Davinci on Apple M1 Max vs 5950X 3090 - 2x faster !!!

PostSat Jan 15, 2022 1:34 pm

For me the biggest win of Apple here is not the times (which are similar) but the ability of doing that in the palm of your hand, in your car, in a trip, in a plane, and not behind a huge desktop. Not to mention the battery last from 12 to 20 hs... that is the real no brainer for me, portability with such high performance.
bru NO shoes

i9-9900K @3.60 - 64 GB RAM - RTX 2070
iPad Pro 12.9 - M2 - 16 GB RAM - 1 TB
Offline
User avatar

Uli Plank

  • Posts: 21291
  • Joined: Fri Feb 08, 2013 2:48 am
  • Location: Germany and Indonesia

Re: Davinci on Apple M1 Max vs 5950X 3090 - 2x faster !!!

PostSat Jan 15, 2022 3:32 pm

Steve Alexander wrote:What sort of render times would you expect for this spaceship project. It took my i9 with a P4000 over 50 minutes to render which is pretty poor performance, I would think.


It's really heavy. Please check this thread: viewtopic.php?f=21&t=150120&hilit=spaceship#p801484
No, an iGPU is not enough, and you can't use HEVC 10 bit 4:2:2 in the free version.

Studio 18.6.5, MacOS 13.6.5
MacBook M1 Pro, 16 GPU cores, 32 GB RAM and iPhone 15 Pro
Speed Editor, UltraStudio Monitor 3G, iMac 2017, eGPU
Offline

Steve Alexander

  • Posts: 4517
  • Joined: Mon Mar 23, 2015 2:15 am

Re: Davinci on Apple M1 Max vs 5950X 3090 - 2x faster !!!

PostSat Jan 15, 2022 4:12 pm

OK - so a fast machine can do it in under 40 minutes and the M1 Pro with 32 GB RAM can do it in 58 minutes.

I have an M1 Max on order (hopefully I will receive it next week) and I'll re-run this test on that. I'm expecting that it will do about the same as the M1 Pro considering that this is CPU bound.

My i9 system is pretty powerful in terms of CPU (better than the M1 Pro/Max, I guess) but my P4000 GPU is really lacking by today's standards.
Time Traveller
Resolve Studio 18.6.6 | Fusion Studio 18.6.6 | Win 11 Pro (22H2) | i9-7940x, P4000 (536.96, 8GB VRAM), 64GB RAM, M.2 boot, SSD scratch, RAID10 data | (laptop) 16" MacBook Pro M1 MAX, 32 GPU cores, 64 GB RAM, 2 TB SSD, Sonoma 14.4
Offline

stesin

  • Posts: 139
  • Joined: Sat Oct 24, 2020 4:25 pm
  • Location: Cyprus
  • Real Name: Andreas Stesinou

Re: Davinci on Apple M1 Max vs 5950X 3090 - 2x faster !!!

PostSat Jan 15, 2022 10:21 pm

Let's wait for Mac Pro desktop of the new generation (with Apple silicon inside) and see how it will compare. Maybe I will purchase one because I avoid portables and I will never try or even intend to do any video editing on the run, outside of my desk.
Blackmagick DaVinci Resolve Studio 17.4.6
Blackmagick Speed Editor USB cable connected
Linux Ubuntu 22.04 (5.18.14)
Asus G750 i7-4860HQ 32GB RAM
NVidia 980M 8Gb (510.85.02 CUDA: 11.6)
2x166GB SSDs in RAID0 - DVRS Caches
1x4TB Samsung EVO 870 SSD
Offline

shadewind

  • Posts: 116
  • Joined: Tue Jan 19, 2021 3:30 pm
  • Real Name: Emil Sahlén

Re: Davinci on Apple M1 Max vs 5950X 3090 - 2x faster !!!

PostTue Jan 18, 2022 9:28 pm

Been doing some work on a MacBook Pro with M1 Pro 10 Core for a while now. The good news is that general video decoding/encoding performance is miles ahead of my PC with an RTX2080 Ti. H264 and H265 decode and encode like butter and I can edit straight from 8K H265 without a lot of issues. If I want it even smoother, I can just generate a ProRes proxy super fast. But this means that I don't have to have a ton of space for proxies anymore. Also noise reduction work pretty well.

However, OpenFX performance is much worse. I'm mainly concerned with the Film Grain and Halation plugins - they're much much slower on the M1 Pro. On the RTX2080 Ti I can play back both Grain and Halation in realtime at the same time. On the M1 Pro, even just using Halation or Grain alone doesn't work in real time.
Offline

SeaRefractor

  • Posts: 38
  • Joined: Fri Nov 27, 2020 5:37 am
  • Real Name: William Turner

Re: Davinci on Apple M1 Max vs 5950X 3090 - 2x faster !!!

PostWed Jan 19, 2022 1:24 am

Well, running the SpaceShip in Fusion Studio while running ASITOP in a terminal window has shown me something very interesting. The application utilizes less than 32% of the GPU and that's rarely, majority of the time, it's 5 to 11%.

While DaVinci Resolve Studio has come a long way in performance tuning, I can see that FusionFX has a long ways to go. Almost entirely CPU bound and the GPU settings are on AUTO.

I'm using a MacBook Pro M1 Max (24-core GPU) with 64GB of RAM with macOS 12.1.

Fusion Studio 17.4.3 build 14.
DaVinci Resolve Studio and Speed Editor on an Apple MacBook Pro M1 Max.
Offline
User avatar

Uli Plank

  • Posts: 21291
  • Joined: Fri Feb 08, 2013 2:48 am
  • Location: Germany and Indonesia

Re: Davinci on Apple M1 Max vs 5950X 3090 - 2x faster !!!

PostWed Jan 19, 2022 1:35 am

Since you got the machine that I'd consider the sweet stop as far as Apple's new laptops are concerned, what's the time you measure for the Spaceship render?
No, an iGPU is not enough, and you can't use HEVC 10 bit 4:2:2 in the free version.

Studio 18.6.5, MacOS 13.6.5
MacBook M1 Pro, 16 GPU cores, 32 GB RAM and iPhone 15 Pro
Speed Editor, UltraStudio Monitor 3G, iMac 2017, eGPU
Offline

SeaRefractor

  • Posts: 38
  • Joined: Fri Nov 27, 2020 5:37 am
  • Real Name: William Turner

Re: Davinci on Apple M1 Max vs 5950X 3090 - 2x faster !!!

PostWed Jan 19, 2022 5:38 am

54 minutes 16 seconds.

Slightly faster than the M1 Pro 32GB version, so the extra GPU's don't bring too much more to the table in FusionFX. Confirms that it's more CPU bound in FusionFX than GPU bound. Running it again shows that besides the low percentage of GPU use, the clock speeds for the GPU are 266Mhz and less, so it's barely used if that.
DaVinci Resolve Studio and Speed Editor on an Apple MacBook Pro M1 Max.
Offline
User avatar

Uli Plank

  • Posts: 21291
  • Joined: Fri Feb 08, 2013 2:48 am
  • Location: Germany and Indonesia

Re: Davinci on Apple M1 Max vs 5950X 3090 - 2x faster !!!

PostWed Jan 19, 2022 5:46 am

Thanks. Did you also try my Resolve 'benchmark'? I'd expect it to be very close to the 32 core there, since that one tends to throttle under full GPU load.
No, an iGPU is not enough, and you can't use HEVC 10 bit 4:2:2 in the free version.

Studio 18.6.5, MacOS 13.6.5
MacBook M1 Pro, 16 GPU cores, 32 GB RAM and iPhone 15 Pro
Speed Editor, UltraStudio Monitor 3G, iMac 2017, eGPU
Offline
User avatar

lukas108

  • Posts: 29
  • Joined: Sun Aug 15, 2021 7:53 am
  • Location: Poland
  • Real Name: Łukasz Drozd

Re: Davinci on Apple M1 Max vs 5950X 3090 - 2x faster !!!

PostSun Jan 23, 2022 7:30 am

Guys, how you do that you can't playback smoothly 6k/8K files on your RTX cards? Am I only one who run 8K files on my old RTX2060 6GB smoothly?
Decoder handle that with easy with full framerate. But because I have just 6GB VRam I just use video preview in 1080p which is totally enough to comfortable work.

I have tested RAW 8K files on my old Laptop with old Intel 8gen CPU (2018), also playback 8K RAW files works smooth. No proxy, no optimized media. Sample files here: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/ ... -1_9E3MNF-

Where is the magic?
PC AMD 5950X, RTX3090 24GB, 64GB DDR4, 6xSSD, RME Audio system + EVE studio monitors
Offline
User avatar

Uli Plank

  • Posts: 21291
  • Joined: Fri Feb 08, 2013 2:48 am
  • Location: Germany and Indonesia

Re: Davinci on Apple M1 Max vs 5950X 3090 - 2x faster !!!

PostSun Jan 23, 2022 8:19 am

Reduced TL resolution is always recommended if your machine can't keep up.
Even on my laptop, which can play 12K files in an UHD TL smoothly, I can add much more grading and filters if the TL is set to HD. The only problem which may arise after switching back to 4K/UHD for delivery might be the dreaded "GPU memory full" problem, more often with Nvidia cards than with AMD.
That's the point where you have to ask yourself if 4K is really needed and you must have a new GPU (or computer) or not. Rendering difficult parts out in a mezzanine codec could be a workaround.
No, an iGPU is not enough, and you can't use HEVC 10 bit 4:2:2 in the free version.

Studio 18.6.5, MacOS 13.6.5
MacBook M1 Pro, 16 GPU cores, 32 GB RAM and iPhone 15 Pro
Speed Editor, UltraStudio Monitor 3G, iMac 2017, eGPU
Offline

Mario Kalogjera

  • Posts: 1201
  • Joined: Sat Oct 31, 2015 8:44 pm

Re: Davinci on Apple M1 Max vs 5950X 3090 - 2x faster !!!

PostSun Jan 23, 2022 10:06 am

I have clocked the Spaceship benchmark at 1h 2mins 45sec in Fusion Studio in Hackintosh environment. The rig is in the sig.

All settings were as loaded from the comp. I think we need the testing on how render multiple frames at once and simultaneous branching would affect the results.
Asus Prime X370-Pro+R7 3700X@PBO+32 GB G.Skill AEGIS DDR-4@3200MHz
Sapphire RX6700 10GB
Adata A400 120GB System,A2000 500GB Scratch SSDs
Media storage:"Always in motion is it"
BMD Mini Monitor 4K
Windows 11 Pro+Resolve Studio 18+Fusion Studio 18
Offline
User avatar

Uli Plank

  • Posts: 21291
  • Joined: Fri Feb 08, 2013 2:48 am
  • Location: Germany and Indonesia

Re: Davinci on Apple M1 Max vs 5950X 3090 - 2x faster !!!

PostSun Jan 23, 2022 10:30 am

Looks like a nice machine and it's impressive how a laptop can even be a tad faster.
Definitely the GPU doesn't matter much for Fusion, at least not with this project. That's why you can only judge the usefulness of an M1 based on your specific needs.
No, an iGPU is not enough, and you can't use HEVC 10 bit 4:2:2 in the free version.

Studio 18.6.5, MacOS 13.6.5
MacBook M1 Pro, 16 GPU cores, 32 GB RAM and iPhone 15 Pro
Speed Editor, UltraStudio Monitor 3G, iMac 2017, eGPU
Offline

Mario Kalogjera

  • Posts: 1201
  • Joined: Sat Oct 31, 2015 8:44 pm

Re: Davinci on Apple M1 Max vs 5950X 3090 - 2x faster !!!

PostSun Jan 23, 2022 11:07 am

I can play 8K RAW smoothly as well @ default Full Res decode, but not in 8K timeline, I can literally see shared memory jump when playing in 8K timeline.
Asus Prime X370-Pro+R7 3700X@PBO+32 GB G.Skill AEGIS DDR-4@3200MHz
Sapphire RX6700 10GB
Adata A400 120GB System,A2000 500GB Scratch SSDs
Media storage:"Always in motion is it"
BMD Mini Monitor 4K
Windows 11 Pro+Resolve Studio 18+Fusion Studio 18
Offline
User avatar

lukas108

  • Posts: 29
  • Joined: Sun Aug 15, 2021 7:53 am
  • Location: Poland
  • Real Name: Łukasz Drozd

Re: Davinci on Apple M1 Max vs 5950X 3090 - 2x faster !!!

PostSun Jan 23, 2022 11:20 am

So ... As we can see smooth work with 8K files is not only a M1 chips domain. I suppose that M1 users just run their 8K files also with lower preview resolution. Which brings huge performance boost.

Every comparison must be done with 1:1 settings in both platforms. As we can see in first post with Youtube test it's not as obvious as we could expect. This guy compare CPU (PC) vs GPU (M1) and tell all other that M1 is faster than desktop RTX.
Last edited by lukas108 on Sun Jan 23, 2022 11:41 am, edited 1 time in total.
PC AMD 5950X, RTX3090 24GB, 64GB DDR4, 6xSSD, RME Audio system + EVE studio monitors
Offline
User avatar

Uli Plank

  • Posts: 21291
  • Joined: Fri Feb 08, 2013 2:48 am
  • Location: Germany and Indonesia

Re: Davinci on Apple M1 Max vs 5950X 3090 - 2x faster !!!

PostSun Jan 23, 2022 11:33 am

IMHO, the best comparison is rendering in full quality. There are many options to make things work on lesser hardware. But if final renders are crashing due to GPU memory issues, you are stuck.
No, an iGPU is not enough, and you can't use HEVC 10 bit 4:2:2 in the free version.

Studio 18.6.5, MacOS 13.6.5
MacBook M1 Pro, 16 GPU cores, 32 GB RAM and iPhone 15 Pro
Speed Editor, UltraStudio Monitor 3G, iMac 2017, eGPU
Offline
User avatar

lukas108

  • Posts: 29
  • Joined: Sun Aug 15, 2021 7:53 am
  • Location: Poland
  • Real Name: Łukasz Drozd

Re: Davinci on Apple M1 Max vs 5950X 3090 - 2x faster !!!

PostSun Jan 23, 2022 11:53 am

Uli Plank wrote:IMHO, the best comparison is rendering in full quality. There are many options to make things work on lesser hardware. But if final renders are crashing due to GPU memory issues, you are stuck.


Yes, we always should buy GFX card with enough amount of Vram to handle target resolution natively. 8GB is optimal for 4K. But I can still run some of my projects in native 4k with my 6GB Vram (depends of amount of effects and VRam hungry FX). i mostly work with TL in 1080p, render in 4k. 8K needs around 20GB Vram which needs Pro cards or multi GPU configs. That tells us directly - M1's users probably do not run their projects in native 8K, because their laptops don't have enough RAM to do that.

We really need more reliable feedback from people who testing, basing on knowledge and experience, aware of what they test and how it should be tested. Not "whim".
Last edited by lukas108 on Sun Jan 23, 2022 12:48 pm, edited 1 time in total.
PC AMD 5950X, RTX3090 24GB, 64GB DDR4, 6xSSD, RME Audio system + EVE studio monitors
Offline
User avatar

Uli Plank

  • Posts: 21291
  • Joined: Fri Feb 08, 2013 2:48 am
  • Location: Germany and Indonesia

Re: Davinci on Apple M1 Max vs 5950X 3090 - 2x faster !!!

PostSun Jan 23, 2022 12:30 pm

Multi GPU configs don’t help with VRAM, it’s not additive. They only improve render speed.
No, an iGPU is not enough, and you can't use HEVC 10 bit 4:2:2 in the free version.

Studio 18.6.5, MacOS 13.6.5
MacBook M1 Pro, 16 GPU cores, 32 GB RAM and iPhone 15 Pro
Speed Editor, UltraStudio Monitor 3G, iMac 2017, eGPU
Offline
User avatar

lukas108

  • Posts: 29
  • Joined: Sun Aug 15, 2021 7:53 am
  • Location: Poland
  • Real Name: Łukasz Drozd

Re: Davinci on Apple M1 Max vs 5950X 3090 - 2x faster !!!

PostSun Jan 23, 2022 3:58 pm

Uli Plank wrote:Multi GPU configs don’t help with VRAM, it’s not additive. They only improve render speed.


Right Uli. Thanks.
PC AMD 5950X, RTX3090 24GB, 64GB DDR4, 6xSSD, RME Audio system + EVE studio monitors
Offline

BaGRoS

  • Posts: 61
  • Joined: Fri Aug 27, 2021 8:58 am
  • Real Name: Miroslaw Bagrowski

Re: Davinci on Apple M1 Max vs 5950X 3090 - 2x faster !!!

PostTue Jan 25, 2022 5:40 pm

Windows 11 laptop - 1h4m57.49s
i7 11th gen, 64GB ram, 3080/8GB
Fusion Studio 17.4.3 build 14.
BaGRoS
MSI GP66 Leopard / 11th Gen Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-11800H
64GB RAM / GTX3080 8GB
M.2 1TB+2TB Samsung 980PRO
SanDisk Extreme 1TB SSD
Seagate One Touch Hub, 4 TB
Speed Editor + DaVinci Resolve Studio 18.6.4
Offline

Mario Kalogjera

  • Posts: 1201
  • Joined: Sat Oct 31, 2015 8:44 pm

Re: Davinci on Apple M1 Max vs 5950X 3090 - 2x faster !!!

PostWed Jan 26, 2022 10:02 pm

Ryzen R9 5950X
RTX 3060 12 GB
64 GB RAM
Windows 10

32m 38.09s
Asus Prime X370-Pro+R7 3700X@PBO+32 GB G.Skill AEGIS DDR-4@3200MHz
Sapphire RX6700 10GB
Adata A400 120GB System,A2000 500GB Scratch SSDs
Media storage:"Always in motion is it"
BMD Mini Monitor 4K
Windows 11 Pro+Resolve Studio 18+Fusion Studio 18
Offline

BaGRoS

  • Posts: 61
  • Joined: Fri Aug 27, 2021 8:58 am
  • Real Name: Miroslaw Bagrowski

Re: Davinci on Apple M1 Max vs 5950X 3090 - 2x faster !!!

PostThu Jan 27, 2022 8:12 am

Could anyone with 256 cores perform this test?

Sent from my CPH2025 using Tapatalk
BaGRoS
MSI GP66 Leopard / 11th Gen Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-11800H
64GB RAM / GTX3080 8GB
M.2 1TB+2TB Samsung 980PRO
SanDisk Extreme 1TB SSD
Seagate One Touch Hub, 4 TB
Speed Editor + DaVinci Resolve Studio 18.6.4
Offline
User avatar

Robert Niessner

  • Posts: 4948
  • Joined: Thu Feb 21, 2013 9:51 am
  • Location: Graz, Austria

Re: Davinci on Apple M1 Max vs 5950X 3090 - 2x faster !!!

PostFri Jan 28, 2022 12:52 pm

Spaceship scene render result:

Total Render Time: 41 min 43.58 sec

AMD Ryzen 9 5900X 12 core / 128 GB DDR4 @ 3600 MHz
Gigabyte B550 Vision GP
PNY RTX A6000 / 48 GB <- ECC ... off

Win 10 Pro 21H1
Nvidia studio driver 472.47

Fusion Studio 17.4.3
Saying "Thx for help!" is not a crime.
--------------------------------
Robert Niessner
LAUFBILDkommission
Graz / Austria
--------------------------------
Blackmagic Camera Blog (German):
http://laufbildkommission.wordpress.com

Read the blog in English via Google Translate:
http://tinyurl.com/pjf6a3m
Offline
User avatar

lukas108

  • Posts: 29
  • Joined: Sun Aug 15, 2021 7:53 am
  • Location: Poland
  • Real Name: Łukasz Drozd

Re: Davinci on Apple M1 Max vs 5950X 3090 - 2x faster !!!

PostMon Jan 31, 2022 9:06 am

Can anyone describe procedure how to open Spaceship test project? I'm not Fusion user. Thanks
PC AMD 5950X, RTX3090 24GB, 64GB DDR4, 6xSSD, RME Audio system + EVE studio monitors
Offline

Mario Kalogjera

  • Posts: 1201
  • Joined: Sat Oct 31, 2015 8:44 pm

Re: Davinci on Apple M1 Max vs 5950X 3090 - 2x faster !!!

PostMon Jan 31, 2022 12:00 pm

lukas108 wrote:Can anyone describe procedure how to open Spaceship test project? I'm not Fusion user. Thanks


You just extract the archive to a directory and go File/open SpaceShip_v01.comp in Fusion. Browse for a directory to render to in Saver node (very last node n the comp).

Or do you mean open the comp in Resolve? It's a drag. And it crashed Resolve after some time rendering with me.
Asus Prime X370-Pro+R7 3700X@PBO+32 GB G.Skill AEGIS DDR-4@3200MHz
Sapphire RX6700 10GB
Adata A400 120GB System,A2000 500GB Scratch SSDs
Media storage:"Always in motion is it"
BMD Mini Monitor 4K
Windows 11 Pro+Resolve Studio 18+Fusion Studio 18
Offline
User avatar

Uli Plank

  • Posts: 21291
  • Joined: Fri Feb 08, 2013 2:48 am
  • Location: Germany and Indonesia

Re: Davinci on Apple M1 Max vs 5950X 3090 - 2x faster !!!

PostMon Jan 31, 2022 12:33 pm

I wouldn't recommend it for Resolve. Use it in Fusion standalone.
It's a nice counterpart to my other project for Resolve and it shows the limits of Apple's current M1 machines. Any good PC should be faster with the 'Spaceship' one, while the one for Resolve is running very well on M1.
No, an iGPU is not enough, and you can't use HEVC 10 bit 4:2:2 in the free version.

Studio 18.6.5, MacOS 13.6.5
MacBook M1 Pro, 16 GPU cores, 32 GB RAM and iPhone 15 Pro
Speed Editor, UltraStudio Monitor 3G, iMac 2017, eGPU
Offline
User avatar

lukas108

  • Posts: 29
  • Joined: Sun Aug 15, 2021 7:53 am
  • Location: Poland
  • Real Name: Łukasz Drozd

Re: Davinci on Apple M1 Max vs 5950X 3090 - 2x faster !!!

PostTue Feb 01, 2022 3:24 pm

Mario Kalogjera wrote:Or do you mean open the comp in Resolve? It's a drag. And it crashed Resolve after some time rendering with me.


Yes, I have Resolve Studio only. So should I drag and drop comp file? And then what?
PC AMD 5950X, RTX3090 24GB, 64GB DDR4, 6xSSD, RME Audio system + EVE studio monitors
Offline
User avatar

Robert Niessner

  • Posts: 4948
  • Joined: Thu Feb 21, 2013 9:51 am
  • Location: Graz, Austria

Re: Davinci on Apple M1 Max vs 5950X 3090 - 2x faster !!!

PostTue Feb 01, 2022 3:51 pm

lukas108 wrote:
Mario Kalogjera wrote:Or do you mean open the comp in Resolve? It's a drag. And it crashed Resolve after some time rendering with me.


Yes, I have Resolve Studio only. So should I drag and drop comp file? And then what?


You can use the same license for Fusion Studio.
Saying "Thx for help!" is not a crime.
--------------------------------
Robert Niessner
LAUFBILDkommission
Graz / Austria
--------------------------------
Blackmagic Camera Blog (German):
http://laufbildkommission.wordpress.com

Read the blog in English via Google Translate:
http://tinyurl.com/pjf6a3m
Offline

Chris Timson

  • Posts: 29
  • Joined: Thu Oct 12, 2017 3:05 pm

Re: Davinci on Apple M1 Max vs 5950X 3090 - 2x faster !!!

PostTue Feb 01, 2022 4:37 pm

I got 10 mins 3 secs

My machine was pretty maxed out! Spec below
Attachments
Screenshot 2022-02-01 163322.png
Screenshot 2022-02-01 163322.png (254.56 KiB) Viewed 4110 times
i9-13900K - MSI MEG Z790 ACE - 64Gb - RTX3090 - BMD Mini Panel - 200Tb Thunderbolt 3 storage
Offline

Mario Kalogjera

  • Posts: 1201
  • Joined: Sat Oct 31, 2015 8:44 pm

Re: Davinci on Apple M1 Max vs 5950X 3090 - 2x faster !!!

PostTue Feb 01, 2022 10:59 pm

lukas108 wrote:
Mario Kalogjera wrote:Or do you mean open the comp in Resolve? It's a drag. And it crashed Resolve after some time rendering with me.


Yes, I have Resolve Studio only. So should I drag and drop comp file? And then what?


Haha. No, not that drag (and drop), this drag:

Code: Select all
10. SINGULAR NOUN [oft NOUN to-infinitive]
If you say that something is a drag, you mean that it is unpleasant or very dull.
[informal, disapproval]
As far as shopping for clothes goes, it's a drag.
A dry sandwich is a drag to eat.
;)

Image loaders get converted to "media in" with no path so don't connect to the textures on disk, as doesn't the spaceship object. You have to do it all manually to make it work in Resolve. Load it into Fusion standalone rather.

@Chris Timson: Is that CPU usage for the Spaceship project? Yes, it's pretty much 100% most of the time in my case as well, even in Resolve's Fusion page. But, your's is 3x faster than a Ryzen 5950X with RTX 3060. This does not compute unless the RTX 3090 makes the difference but GPU use is really sporadic (5 sec idle, 3 sec active no more than 50%), and GPU use in your graph is 0%.
Asus Prime X370-Pro+R7 3700X@PBO+32 GB G.Skill AEGIS DDR-4@3200MHz
Sapphire RX6700 10GB
Adata A400 120GB System,A2000 500GB Scratch SSDs
Media storage:"Always in motion is it"
BMD Mini Monitor 4K
Windows 11 Pro+Resolve Studio 18+Fusion Studio 18
Offline

Chris Timson

  • Posts: 29
  • Joined: Thu Oct 12, 2017 3:05 pm

Re: Davinci on Apple M1 Max vs 5950X 3090 - 2x faster !!!

PostWed Feb 02, 2022 10:32 am

Hi Mario,
Yes something is wrong. I did this in Resolve by loading the composition into a dummy clip. I'll run it again in Fusion stand alone when I get some free time.
i9-13900K - MSI MEG Z790 ACE - 64Gb - RTX3090 - BMD Mini Panel - 200Tb Thunderbolt 3 storage
Offline
User avatar

Uli Plank

  • Posts: 21291
  • Joined: Fri Feb 08, 2013 2:48 am
  • Location: Germany and Indonesia

Re: Davinci on Apple M1 Max vs 5950X 3090 - 2x faster !!!

PostWed Feb 02, 2022 11:05 am

OK, here you go:
- Start Fusion standalone. Depending on what you have installed, it may tell you a few OFX didn't load. Ignore.
- Load and decompress Spaceship.zip.
- Go to File -> Open in Fusion and open SpaceShip_v01.comp.
- Don't change anything, just click on Render.
– The message box will tell you that not all Saver nodes will render. Ignore.
– Leave the configuration set to Final.
– Click on Start Render and have a lunch break.

But in case you are watching the render, don't get fooled by initial predictions, it'll slow down.
No, an iGPU is not enough, and you can't use HEVC 10 bit 4:2:2 in the free version.

Studio 18.6.5, MacOS 13.6.5
MacBook M1 Pro, 16 GPU cores, 32 GB RAM and iPhone 15 Pro
Speed Editor, UltraStudio Monitor 3G, iMac 2017, eGPU
Offline

Mario Kalogjera

  • Posts: 1201
  • Joined: Sat Oct 31, 2015 8:44 pm

Re: Davinci on Apple M1 Max vs 5950X 3090 - 2x faster !!!

PostWed Feb 02, 2022 11:27 am

Uli, with me, the saver node fails if you do not redirect it to a path on your PC. :?
Asus Prime X370-Pro+R7 3700X@PBO+32 GB G.Skill AEGIS DDR-4@3200MHz
Sapphire RX6700 10GB
Adata A400 120GB System,A2000 500GB Scratch SSDs
Media storage:"Always in motion is it"
BMD Mini Monitor 4K
Windows 11 Pro+Resolve Studio 18+Fusion Studio 18
Offline
User avatar

Uli Plank

  • Posts: 21291
  • Joined: Fri Feb 08, 2013 2:48 am
  • Location: Germany and Indonesia

Re: Davinci on Apple M1 Max vs 5950X 3090 - 2x faster !!!

PostWed Feb 02, 2022 11:36 am

Sorry, on a Mac it goes to the desktop if you don't change it.
Thanks for the helpful hint!
No, an iGPU is not enough, and you can't use HEVC 10 bit 4:2:2 in the free version.

Studio 18.6.5, MacOS 13.6.5
MacBook M1 Pro, 16 GPU cores, 32 GB RAM and iPhone 15 Pro
Speed Editor, UltraStudio Monitor 3G, iMac 2017, eGPU
Offline
User avatar

robin0112358

  • Posts: 82
  • Joined: Sun Oct 06, 2019 12:13 pm
  • Location: Ireland
  • Real Name: Robin Parmar

Re: Davinci on Apple M1 Max vs 5950X 3090 - 2x faster !!!

PostWed Feb 02, 2022 2:07 pm

lukas108 wrote:We really need more reliable feedback from people who testing, basing on knowledge and experience, aware of what they test and how it should be tested. Not "whim".


Indeed. There are much more scientific tests done in a separate thread on the forums. I have compiled these into a spreadsheet and discussed the results against my own (Windows desktop) system.

tl;dr

MacBook Pro M1 Max laptops are at least twice as fast as previous Apple Intel-based laptops.

These are also the fastest laptops for graphics you can buy... though at a huge price premium for a fully-kitted system.

A consumer-grade desktop computer (running Windows or Linux) is still twice as fast as the M1.

This is true even with an RTX 3060 Ti. You don't necessarily need a more expensive GPU unless you need more RAM for higher video resolutions.

Everything depends on your use case and budget. For example, if you don't mind using two operating systems, the optimal scenario might be to buy a moderate spec Apple MacBook Pro 14" for work on the road (€2500). Then build a desktop system with all the trimmings (circa €4000). That's the same total cost as a fully-kitted MacBook!
Robin Parmar
robinparmar.com | theatreofnoise.com | stolenmirror.com
Offline
User avatar

Uli Plank

  • Posts: 21291
  • Joined: Fri Feb 08, 2013 2:48 am
  • Location: Germany and Indonesia

Re: Davinci on Apple M1 Max vs 5950X 3090 - 2x faster !!!

PostWed Feb 02, 2022 2:37 pm

Second that. I'd even say you can get the sum further down by using a MacBook Air 16 GB on the road. So light and completely silent. It's still enough for some editing and basic grading.
Project files and video clips are fully compatible, for rendered footage ProRes can be read on a PC and DNxHR or Cineform on the Mac.
No, an iGPU is not enough, and you can't use HEVC 10 bit 4:2:2 in the free version.

Studio 18.6.5, MacOS 13.6.5
MacBook M1 Pro, 16 GPU cores, 32 GB RAM and iPhone 15 Pro
Speed Editor, UltraStudio Monitor 3G, iMac 2017, eGPU
Offline
User avatar

Robert Niessner

  • Posts: 4948
  • Joined: Thu Feb 21, 2013 9:51 am
  • Location: Graz, Austria

Re: Davinci on Apple M1 Max vs 5950X 3090 - 2x faster !!!

PostWed Feb 02, 2022 2:46 pm

robin0112358 wrote:
Indeed. There are much more scientific tests done in a separate thread on the forums. I have compiled these into a spreadsheet and discussed the results against my own (Windows desktop) system.


FYI: in this thread or some more test results if you want to add them:
viewtopic.php?p=810232#p810232
Saying "Thx for help!" is not a crime.
--------------------------------
Robert Niessner
LAUFBILDkommission
Graz / Austria
--------------------------------
Blackmagic Camera Blog (German):
http://laufbildkommission.wordpress.com

Read the blog in English via Google Translate:
http://tinyurl.com/pjf6a3m
Offline

rsf123

  • Posts: 418
  • Joined: Tue May 21, 2019 3:05 pm
  • Real Name: Roger Smith

Re: Davinci on Apple M1 Max vs 5950X 3090 - 2x faster !!!

PostWed Feb 16, 2022 1:56 am

gemmergemmer wrote:Bottom line: it appears that Davince Resolve has been optimized for the Apple Silicons, and that Fusion has not.


Uli Plank wrote:M1 is great for Resolve, but not (yet?) for Fusion.


I'd be interested if you could comment on the latest 17.4.4 which BMD said it offers improvement in Fusion.

My existing M1/16GB is adequate for editing, but insufficient for complex Fusion. So if the M1Max/Pro do not offer significant Fusion improvements, it might be better for me to wait for the M2Max/Pro.

Hence, I'd be interested to know of user Fusion experience with 17.4.4 with M1Max/Pro.
Offline
User avatar

lukas108

  • Posts: 29
  • Joined: Sun Aug 15, 2021 7:53 am
  • Location: Poland
  • Real Name: Łukasz Drozd

Re: Davinci on Apple M1 Max vs 5950X 3090 - 2x faster !!!

PostFri Feb 18, 2022 7:20 pm

Current M1 chip will never good for Fusion. Fusion bases on GPU performance (not decoder/encoder). In M1 has no magic hiden power. There are needed powerful GPU above 10-15 Tflops in FP16. M1 has less than 3 Tfllop.
PC AMD 5950X, RTX3090 24GB, 64GB DDR4, 6xSSD, RME Audio system + EVE studio monitors
PreviousNext

Return to DaVinci Resolve

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: 4EvrYng, Google [Bot], michael_72, peeceful and 146 guests