New Apple MBP M1 + Resolve 17 - Is it worth the price?

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Re: New Apple MBP M1 + Resolve 17 - Is it worth the price?

PostMon Dec 13, 2021 4:15 pm

peterjackson wrote:
Andrew Kolakowski wrote: This test is very GPU orientated. Overall your desktop advantage will be probably 2x which is still a lot.


I'd assume the reverse to happen, as CPU performance is the weak part of the M1 and using both GPU and CPU cores also likely makes the SoC throttle.

This is why I wrote earlier I'd like to see some CPU usage generated by the benchmark. This absence is likely very favorable for the M1 SoC.


Numbers from other thread based on real tests:
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https://blog.neatvideo.com/post/m1-max-others
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Re: New Apple MBP M1 + Resolve 17 - Is it worth the price?

PostMon Dec 13, 2021 4:22 pm

That's NeatVideo and it's using the CPU cores (according to it's own optimisation).
No, an iGPU is not enough, and you can't use HEVC 10 bit 4:2:2 in the free version.

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Re: New Apple MBP M1 + Resolve 17 - Is it worth the price?

PostMon Dec 13, 2021 4:31 pm

Carsten Sellberg wrote:
Mattcee wrote: I just went back into my Amazon/Overclockers account added up what the PC cost me


Hi.

I wonder why you deceided to use your Amazon/Overclockers account?

I know HP OMEN Desktop in some places of the world is sold preconfigured. But here is a link,
where you can build your own configuration from $2900, including a NVIDIA® GeForce RTX™ 3090 24 GB:

https://www.hp.com/us-en/shop/Configure ... quantity=1

Regards Carsten.


I'm in the UK and there was hardly any stock of anything online or offline last year. There is no store anywhere near me so i had to buy online and even the biggest online pre-built online stores over here had nothing that suited me in stock and the wait was weeks and months and I needed something asap at the time. Xmas /New Year delayed it further so I had to buy parts (and really struggled getting a motherboard) and it was my first time bulding a PC too.

Not sure if things are any better with stock now but the M1 Max I ordered was back in early Nov and still dont have it yet.

Oh and I should add I got the 3090 a few months before this new PC and used it in my older machine then swapped it over to the new build.
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Re: New Apple MBP M1 + Resolve 17 - Is it worth the price?

PostMon Dec 13, 2021 5:08 pm

Uli Plank wrote:That's NeatVideo and it's using the CPU cores (according to it's own optimisation).


I thought it mainly uses GPU. Is there a control over it in Resolve?
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Re: New Apple MBP M1 + Resolve 17 - Is it worth the price?

PostMon Dec 13, 2021 7:03 pm

According to Cinebench R23 the 5950x is around 2.3 times faster than the M1 Max. So it's a rather similar ratio as comparing it to a 3090.
5950x, 3090, 128GB.
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Re: New Apple MBP M1 + Resolve 17 - Is it worth the price?

PostMon Dec 13, 2021 8:55 pm

I suspect real world Resolve results to fall <2.
Look at results above.
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Re: New Apple MBP M1 + Resolve 17 - Is it worth the price?

PostMon Dec 13, 2021 9:05 pm

Andrew Kolakowski wrote:
Uli Plank wrote:That's NeatVideo and it's using the CPU cores (according to it's own optimisation).


I thought it mainly uses GPU. Is there a control over it in Resolve?
Neat Video can use either CPU or (multiple) GPU(s), and it includes an option to choose - including an optimiser that benchmarks all possible combos and shows you the best option on your hardware, with given settings:

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Neat Video hasn't yet released a Silicon version that can use GPU. But that blog post linked by Uli says:

Using a pre-release version of Neat Video compatible with the CPU and GPU of the new M1 Max based MacBook Pros, I first ran the optimization inside of Resolve on the 1920x1080-HD footage:

So it seems those M1 benchmarks are making full use of the MBP Max, capable of using either GPU or CPU or both together.

They indicate that their best result on the M1 Max at 1080p was GPU only:
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But at UHD, some CPU helps:
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Their results show the MBP Max beating other similar laptops in a Neat Video NR test, so it is good laptop. But of course it loses badly to desktops with a 3090, as we all know.
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Re: New Apple MBP M1 + Resolve 17 - Is it worth the price?

PostMon Dec 13, 2021 9:21 pm

By the way, if anyone is interested in comparing their Neat Video benchmark results, you don't need to buy Neat Video to do so. They have a standalone tool called NeatBench which runs the same benchmark test as I showed a screenshot of above, and which is used for that blog post. And it looks like it's been updated for the MBP Pro/Max GPUs.

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Re: New Apple MBP M1 + Resolve 17 - Is it worth the price?

PostMon Dec 13, 2021 10:43 pm

Laptop arrived a day early! Here are the results from my 64GB M1 Max using that Neat Video test file above.

Neat Bench (Neat Image 9.0.0, Neat Video 5.5.0) MacOS arm64
Copyright (c) 1999-2021 Neat Image team, Neat Video team, ABSoft.
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GPU detection log:


Metal initialized successfully.
Checking Metal GPU 1:
GPU device name is: Apple M1 Max
43690 MB total (43690 MB available during initialization)
Check passed - will attempt to use the device


Neat Video benchmark:

Frame Size: 1920x1080 progressive
Bitdepth: 32 bits per channel
Mix with Original: Disabled
Temporal Filter: Enabled
Quality Mode: Normal
Radius: 2 frames
Dust and Scratches: Disabled
Repeat Rate: 0% of repeated frames
Jitter Filtration: Normal
Spatial Filter: Enabled
Quality Mode: Normal
Frequencies: High, Mid, Low, Very Low
Artifact Removal: Enabled
Edge Smoothing: Disabled
Sharpening: Disabled


Detecting the best combination of performance settings:
running the test data set on up to 10 CPU cores and on up to 1 GPU

CPU Model: Apple M1 Max (MacBookPro18,2)
GPU 1: Apple M1 Max (Metal): 43690 MB total (43690 MB currently available), using up to 100%

CPU only (1 core): 3.08 frames/sec
CPU only (2 cores): 6.44 frames/sec
CPU only (3 cores): 9.17 frames/sec
CPU only (4 cores): 12.1 frames/sec
CPU only (5 cores): 14.7 frames/sec
CPU only (6 cores): 16.9 frames/sec
CPU only (7 cores): 19.2 frames/sec
CPU only (8 cores): 21 frames/sec
CPU only (9 cores): 21.6 frames/sec
CPU only (10 cores): 21.8 frames/sec
GPU only (Apple M1 Max): 37.2 frames/sec
CPU (2 cores) and GPU (Apple M1 Max): 18.5 frames/sec
CPU (3 cores) and GPU (Apple M1 Max): 25 frames/sec
CPU (4 cores) and GPU (Apple M1 Max): 27.4 frames/sec
CPU (5 cores) and GPU (Apple M1 Max): 31.3 frames/sec
CPU (6 cores) and GPU (Apple M1 Max): 32 frames/sec
CPU (7 cores) and GPU (Apple M1 Max): 32.6 frames/sec
CPU (8 cores) and GPU (Apple M1 Max): 32.2 frames/sec
CPU (9 cores) and GPU (Apple M1 Max): 33.4 frames/sec
CPU (10 cores) and GPU (Apple M1 Max): 33.4 frames/sec

Best combination: GPU only (Apple M1 Max): 37.2 frames/sec
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Re: New Apple MBP M1 + Resolve 17 - Is it worth the price?

PostTue Dec 14, 2021 12:44 am

I have:
Best combination: CPU (10 cores) and GPU (Apple M1 Pro): 33 frames/sec
for base 14inch with 10cores CPU. For NeatVideo Max model seems to be waste of money, but it's just a single app usage case.
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PostTue Dec 14, 2021 1:13 am

Best combination: GPU only (NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090): 56.9 frames/sec
Ryzen 5800X3D
32GB DDR4-3600
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Re: New Apple MBP M1 + Resolve 17 - Is it worth the price?

PostTue Dec 14, 2021 3:23 am

Not bad for a laptop.
No, an iGPU is not enough, and you can't use HEVC 10 bit 4:2:2 in the free version.

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Re: New Apple MBP M1 + Resolve 17 - Is it worth the price?

PostTue Dec 14, 2021 8:31 am

Best combination: GPU only (GeForce RTX 3090): 69.6 frames/sec
5950x, 3090, 128GB.
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Re: New Apple MBP M1 + Resolve 17 - Is it worth the price?

PostTue Dec 14, 2021 11:54 am

For comparison, my 'old' MBP 2.6GHz 6-Core i7 15" (2018, 32GB RAM, Radeon Pro Vega 20 4GB) got the below in Neat Bench:

CPU Model: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-8850H CPU @ 2.60GHz
GPU 1: AMD Radeon Pro Vega 20 (Metal): 4080 MB total, using up to 100%

CPU only (1 core): 2.41 frames/sec
CPU only (2 cores): 4.5 frames/sec
CPU only (3 cores): 6.13 frames/sec
CPU only (4 cores): 7.23 frames/sec
CPU only (5 cores): 7.15 frames/sec
CPU only (6 cores): 6.65 frames/sec
CPU only (7 cores): 5.84 frames/sec
CPU only (8 cores): 5.96 frames/sec
CPU only (9 cores): 5.09 frames/sec
CPU only (10 cores): 5.21 frames/sec
CPU only (11 cores): 4.83 frames/sec
CPU only (12 cores): 4.86 frames/sec
GPU only (AMD Radeon Pro Vega 20): 11.4 frames/sec
CPU (2 cores) and GPU (AMD Radeon Pro Vega 20): 8.6 frames/sec
CPU (3 cores) and GPU (AMD Radeon Pro Vega 20): 10.1 frames/sec
CPU (4 cores) and GPU (AMD Radeon Pro Vega 20): 10.9 frames/sec
CPU (5 cores) and GPU (AMD Radeon Pro Vega 20): 11.1 frames/sec
CPU (6 cores) and GPU (AMD Radeon Pro Vega 20): 10.8 frames/sec
CPU (7 cores) and GPU (AMD Radeon Pro Vega 20): 9.99 frames/sec
CPU (8 cores) and GPU (AMD Radeon Pro Vega 20): 10.4 frames/sec
CPU (9 cores) and GPU (AMD Radeon Pro Vega 20): 9.74 frames/sec
CPU (10 cores) and GPU (AMD Radeon Pro Vega 20): 9.56 frames/sec
CPU (11 cores) and GPU (AMD Radeon Pro Vega 20): 9.26 frames/sec
CPU (12 cores) and GPU (AMD Radeon Pro Vega 20): 8.78 frames/sec

Best combination: GPU only (AMD Radeon Pro Vega 20): 11.4 frames/sec
M1 Max Macbook Pro 16-inch (2021)
OS Monterey 12.6.1
Apple M1 Max
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32-Core GPU
64GB RAM

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Re: New Apple MBP M1 + Resolve 17 - Is it worth the price?

PostTue Dec 14, 2021 3:30 pm

Surprising no-one, my lowly old old GTX1060 6GB is not about to win me any NeatBench competitions:

CPU Model: AMD Ryzen 9 5950X 16-Core Processor
GPU 1: GeForce GTX 1060 6GB (CUDA): 6144 MB total (5228 MB currently available), using up to 100%

CPU only (1 core): 4.28 frames/sec
CPU only (2 cores): 7.17 frames/sec
CPU only (3 cores): 11.4 frames/sec
CPU only (4 cores): 14.5 frames/sec
CPU only (5 cores): 16.1 frames/sec
CPU only (6 cores): 17.4 frames/sec
CPU only (7 cores): 18 frames/sec
CPU only (8 cores): 17.6 frames/sec
CPU only (9 cores): 17.9 frames/sec
CPU only (10 cores): 16.7 frames/sec
CPU only (11 cores): 15.9 frames/sec
CPU only (12 cores): 14.4 frames/sec
CPU only (13 cores): 14.1 frames/sec
CPU only (14 cores): 14.6 frames/sec
CPU only (15 cores): 14.4 frames/sec
CPU only (16 cores): 15.4 frames/sec
CPU only (17 cores): 15.4 frames/sec
CPU only (18 cores): 16.1 frames/sec
CPU only (19 cores): 16.4 frames/sec
CPU only (20 cores): 16.5 frames/sec
CPU only (21 cores): 16.9 frames/sec
CPU only (22 cores): 16.5 frames/sec
CPU only (23 cores): 14.2 frames/sec
CPU only (24 cores): 14.4 frames/sec
CPU only (25 cores): 13.9 frames/sec
CPU only (26 cores): 13.1 frames/sec
CPU only (27 cores): 11.7 frames/sec
CPU only (28 cores): 11.9 frames/sec
CPU only (29 cores): 12 frames/sec
CPU only (30 cores): 12.1 frames/sec
CPU only (31 cores): 12.1 frames/sec
CPU only (32 cores): 12.1 frames/sec
GPU only (GeForce GTX 1060 6GB): 16.5 frames/sec
CPU (2 cores) and GPU (GeForce GTX 1060 6GB): 12.1 frames/sec
CPU (3 cores) and GPU (GeForce GTX 1060 6GB): 17.1 frames/sec
CPU (4 cores) and GPU (GeForce GTX 1060 6GB): 18.9 frames/sec
CPU (5 cores) and GPU (GeForce GTX 1060 6GB): 19.7 frames/sec
CPU (6 cores) and GPU (GeForce GTX 1060 6GB): 22.6 frames/sec
CPU (7 cores) and GPU (GeForce GTX 1060 6GB): 22.5 frames/sec
CPU (8 cores) and GPU (GeForce GTX 1060 6GB): 20.8 frames/sec
CPU (9 cores) and GPU (GeForce GTX 1060 6GB): 23.1 frames/sec
CPU (10 cores) and GPU (GeForce GTX 1060 6GB): 20.1 frames/sec
CPU (11 cores) and GPU (GeForce GTX 1060 6GB): 20.6 frames/sec
CPU (12 cores) and GPU (GeForce GTX 1060 6GB): 19.9 frames/sec
CPU (13 cores) and GPU (GeForce GTX 1060 6GB): 20.6 frames/sec
CPU (14 cores) and GPU (GeForce GTX 1060 6GB): 20.4 frames/sec
CPU (15 cores) and GPU (GeForce GTX 1060 6GB): 20.8 frames/sec
CPU (16 cores) and GPU (GeForce GTX 1060 6GB): 21.3 frames/sec
CPU (17 cores) and GPU (GeForce GTX 1060 6GB): 21.9 frames/sec
CPU (18 cores) and GPU (GeForce GTX 1060 6GB): 21.7 frames/sec
CPU (19 cores) and GPU (GeForce GTX 1060 6GB): 21.9 frames/sec
CPU (20 cores) and GPU (GeForce GTX 1060 6GB): 21.9 frames/sec
CPU (21 cores) and GPU (GeForce GTX 1060 6GB): 21.6 frames/sec
CPU (22 cores) and GPU (GeForce GTX 1060 6GB): 21.5 frames/sec
CPU (23 cores) and GPU (GeForce GTX 1060 6GB): 21.6 frames/sec
CPU (24 cores) and GPU (GeForce GTX 1060 6GB): 21.4 frames/sec
CPU (25 cores) and GPU (GeForce GTX 1060 6GB): 21.3 frames/sec
CPU (26 cores) and GPU (GeForce GTX 1060 6GB): 19.8 frames/sec
CPU (27 cores) and GPU (GeForce GTX 1060 6GB): 19.6 frames/sec
CPU (28 cores) and GPU (GeForce GTX 1060 6GB): 19.3 frames/sec
CPU (29 cores) and GPU (GeForce GTX 1060 6GB): 19.2 frames/sec
CPU (30 cores) and GPU (GeForce GTX 1060 6GB): 19.5 frames/sec
CPU (31 cores) and GPU (GeForce GTX 1060 6GB): 20.1 frames/sec
CPU (32 cores) and GPU (GeForce GTX 1060 6GB): 19.7 frames/sec

Best combination: CPU (9 cores) and GPU (GeForce GTX 1060 6GB): 23.1 frames/sec


and the M1 Macbook Pro (2020 model) :
CPU Model: Apple M1 (MacBookPro17,1)
GPU 1: Apple M1 (Metal): 10922 MB total (6161 MB currently available), using up to 100%

CPU only (1 core): 3.1 frames/sec
CPU only (2 cores): 6.31 frames/sec
CPU only (3 cores): 8.73 frames/sec
CPU only (4 cores): 11.3 frames/sec
CPU only (5 cores): 12.1 frames/sec
CPU only (6 cores): 12.8 frames/sec
CPU only (7 cores): 13.4 frames/sec
CPU only (8 cores): 13.8 frames/sec
GPU only (Apple M1): 7.37 frames/sec
CPU (2 cores) and GPU (Apple M1): 8.7 frames/sec
CPU (3 cores) and GPU (Apple M1): 10.6 frames/sec
CPU (4 cores) and GPU (Apple M1): 12.2 frames/sec
CPU (5 cores) and GPU (Apple M1): 13.7 frames/sec
CPU (6 cores) and GPU (Apple M1): 14 frames/sec
CPU (7 cores) and GPU (Apple M1): 14 frames/sec
CPU (8 cores) and GPU (Apple M1): 13.8 frames/sec

Best combination: CPU (7 cores) and GPU (Apple M1): 14 frames/sec
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Re: New Apple MBP M1 + Resolve 17 - Is it worth the price?

PostTue Dec 14, 2021 4:58 pm

ASUS Strix GL702ZC 17" laptop.

AMD Ryzen 7 1700 (Desktop CPU), 32GB DDR4, 256GB M.2 SSD+1TB HDD, 4GB RX 580, Win10

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PostTue Dec 14, 2021 11:46 pm

Plugged in or battery?
No, an iGPU is not enough, and you can't use HEVC 10 bit 4:2:2 in the free version.

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PostWed Dec 15, 2021 10:01 am

Uli Plank wrote:Plugged in or battery?


Plugged in
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Re: New Apple MBP M1 + Resolve 17 - Is it worth the price?

PostWed Dec 15, 2021 2:20 pm

My M1 Max arrived early and got it today so ran x2 different render tests on 3 different machines on what my main work (1080 HD files) is for and rendering out h264 mp4 files.
Note that both jobs used a different source file and were different lengths so don't compare render times between the 2 jobs. Both M1 laptops were plugged into mains.

Job one with a little NR, and simple colour correcting and a little sharpening:

PC (Ryzen Threadripper 3970X / 3090 / 64MB Ram): 3 mins, 16 secs
13" M1 Macbook Pro (8‑Core CPU and 8‑Core GPU / 16GB Ram): 24 mins, 06 secs
16" M1 Macbook Max (10-Core CPU 32-Core GPU 64GB Ram): 5 mins, 12 secs

Job Two with a max NR, and more colour correcting and a little sharpening:

PC (Ryzen Threadripper 3970X / 3090 / 64MB Ram): 10 mins, 50 secs
13" M1 Macbook Pro (8‑Core CPU and 8‑Core GPU / 16GB Ram): 1 hour, 20 mins
16" M1 Macbook Max (10-Core CPU 32-Core GPU 64GB Ram): 17 mins, 31 secs

Overall, I was quite impressed with the M1 Max and how it did for the work I need it to do rather than just generic benchmarks. It got closer to the 3090 desktop I than i was expecting and it complety blew away the 13" M1 MBP.
Think it'll be a keeper and will sell the 13" MBP.

@Uli Plank I also did the test from your file. I did notice there was a bit of flicker on my external monitor even when not playing in Resolve but render time (ProRes 422HQ) was 10mins, 25 secs
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Re: New Apple MBP M1 + Resolve 17 - Is it worth the price?

PostWed Dec 15, 2021 5:35 pm

So your powerful PC with 3090 is around 1.6x the M1 Max performance. Not bad for a laptop at all.
It's actually <x2, actually bit less than I expected (way less than theoretical numbers would suggest). Other factors come into play- OSX difference, unified memory, etc.


I assume that Ryzen CPU wasn't at 100% at all and could do more work during Resolve renders, where M1 was more likely closed to be used fully.
Actually you said render was to h264, so CPU was probably not used much at all. In this case M1 hardware encoders played a bit of role. I think they are better than Nvidia ones.
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Re: New Apple MBP M1 + Resolve 17 - Is it worth the price?

PostWed Dec 15, 2021 6:31 pm

The less complex your work, the more you will just compare decoder / encoder speed, which is pretty boring. And that speed will be similar no matter if using a GTX 1650 or RTX 3090 as both use the last NVENC chip.

From what I've seen so far the quality of M1 H264 is actually worse than NVENC at the same bitrate unfortunately.
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Re: New Apple MBP M1 + Resolve 17 - Is it worth the price?

PostWed Dec 15, 2021 6:47 pm

Yes, but "complex" has not so obvious meaning here (test already had NR etc.).
For Matt this is real test though, so for him it has real value and meaning. This is why I said comparison is not so easy as it depends a LOT on projects/source/export types. There is no one simple answer.
What we know is that by pure power such a Ryzen+3090 machine is definitely at least 2x faster. How this number shifts in real world projects is another story. There may be a case when PC will loose.

Don't have any 2/3xx Nvidia, but can compare M1 to x264 (once I'm bored).
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Re: New Apple MBP M1 + Resolve 17 - Is it worth the price?

PostWed Dec 15, 2021 6:51 pm

Results from my M1 Max 16" 10/32/64GB using the James Perse test file project:

Prores 422 HQ [Test 1] — 10:58
Prores 422 HQ [Test 2] — 10:53
H265 (Default DR17 Preset Settings) — 10:58
H264 (Default DR17 Preset Settings) — 10:45

Average fps during exports:
Clip 1 - 2.5fps
Clip 2 - 6.5fps
Clip 3 - 3.5fps
Clip 4 - 14.5fps
Clip 5 - 2fps
Clip 6 - 1fps

iStat Menus said DR17 was using c. 34.85GB RAM and 30-45% CPU during renders.
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Re: New Apple MBP M1 + Resolve 17 - Is it worth the price?

PostSat Dec 18, 2021 8:54 am

Andrew Kolakowski wrote:Yes, but "complex" has not so obvious meaning here (test already had NR etc.).
For Matt this is real test though, so for him it has real value and meaning. This is why I said comparison is not so easy as it depends a LOT on projects/source/export types. There is no one simple answer.
What we know is that by pure power such a Ryzen+3090 machine is definitely at least 2x faster. How this number shifts in real world projects is another story. There may be a case when PC will loose.

Don't have any 2/3xx Nvidia, but can compare M1 to x264 (once I'm bored).
What it actually means is that his 3090 purchase was likely overkill, as his workload is so light, that GPU power is not the bottleneck ;)
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peterbaumann wrote:Results from my M1 Max 16" 10/32/64GB using the James Perse test file project:

Prores 422 HQ [Test 1] — 10:58
Prores 422 HQ [Test 2] — 10:53
H265 (Default DR17 Preset Settings) — 10:58
H264 (Default DR17 Preset Settings) — 10:45

Average fps during exports:
Clip 1 - 2.5fps
Clip 2 - 6.5fps
Clip 3 - 3.5fps
Clip 4 - 14.5fps
Clip 5 - 2fps
Clip 6 - 1fps

iStat Menus said DR17 was using c. 34.85GB RAM and 30-45% CPU during renders.


I have just run this test on my 2018 Intel MBP 15", 2.6GHz 6-Core i7, 32GB RAM & Radeon Pro Vega 20 4GB and the Mac shut down when rendering the last clip the first time round, then managed the ProRes export in 1hr20m5s (fans on max the whole time).
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peterjackson wrote:
Andrew Kolakowski wrote:Yes, but "complex" has not so obvious meaning here (test already had NR etc.).
For Matt this is real test though, so for him it has real value and meaning. This is why I said comparison is not so easy as it depends a LOT on projects/source/export types. There is no one simple answer.
What we know is that by pure power such a Ryzen+3090 machine is definitely at least 2x faster. How this number shifts in real world projects is another story. There may be a case when PC will loose.

Don't have any 2/3xx Nvidia, but can compare M1 to x264 (once I'm bored).
What it actually means is that his 3090 purchase was likely overkill, as his workload is so light, that GPU power is not the bottleneck ;)


With 3970x Ryzen it's not really overkill. Maybe it's actually 3090 which is a bottleneck in that system.
Even for this type of projects having render done in eg. 160 min vs. 100 min is nice think.
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Andrew Kolakowski wrote:
peterjackson wrote:
Andrew Kolakowski wrote:Yes, but "complex" has not so obvious meaning here (test already had NR etc.).
For Matt this is real test though, so for him it has real value and meaning. This is why I said comparison is not so easy as it depends a LOT on projects/source/export types. There is no one simple answer.
What we know is that by pure power such a Ryzen+3090 machine is definitely at least 2x faster. How this number shifts in real world projects is another story. There may be a case when PC will loose.

Don't have any 2/3xx Nvidia, but can compare M1 to x264 (once I'm bored).
What it actually means is that his 3090 purchase was likely overkill, as his workload is so light, that GPU power is not the bottleneck ;)


With 3970x Ryzen it's not really overkill. Maybe it's actually 3090 which is a bottleneck in that system.
Even for this type of projects having render done in eg. 160 min vs. 100 min is nice think.
No, encode / decode is limiting. And there is nothing the 3090 can help with that. Nvenc isn't any faster than lower end cards and it can't make the CPU faster.
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Here are the results from my machines of Uli's test project:
13" MacBookPro, M1, 8core, 16GB, 1TB - 11.6 - 1h35m30s
16" MacBookPro, 8core i9, 32GB, 2TB, 5600M - 10.15.7 - 37m18s
iMacPro 10core, 32GB, 2TB, Vega64 - 10.14.6 - 18m42s
16" MacBookPro, 10core M1 Max, 64GB, 2TB - 12.01 - 10m29s

I sold my Intel MBP which covered two thirds of the cost of my new 16" Max, making it a more easily justified upgrade. My work often requires me to be mobile, the fact that I have this level of (silent) power in a portable computer for me is fabulous. "Is it worth the price?" For me and from what I need a computer to do, yes, definitely.
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Thanks for the data and, yes, if you need to be mobile, it's the best solution at this time.
And then, Apple seems to deliver where others have to wait for GPUs.
No, an iGPU is not enough, and you can't use HEVC 10 bit 4:2:2 in the free version.

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PostSat Jan 08, 2022 9:53 pm

I thought I'd test my recent build (Ryzen 9 5900X, 64GB RAM) using Uli Plank's project. I have an RTX 3060 Ti with 8 GB VRAM, since I am targeting 4K timelines. Naturally, I get the dreaded "Your GPU memory is full" warning using the UHD footage.

So I transcoded to 4K as Uli suggested earlier in this thread. During the render the GPU utilisation went up to maximum, but the CPU was only 3-4%. The computer is built around a quiet air-flow design; there's only a purr to be heard under this load (temperatures at 60 C).

The render duration was 4:17.

Since the CPU and disk are not bound, I have no reason to think that this metric would be appreciably different if I had used the UHD project with an RTX 3090. Matt Cole reported 4:21 with such a system. My result is in line with that.

EDIT: This is an important point because it's often assumed that the cost of an RTX 3090 is necessary for a Windows-based PC to perform well. This is shown to be untrue. The main advantage of the more expensive GPU is the VRAM. Hence one can assemble a significantly cheaper computer so long as 4K footage is sufficient.
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PostTue Jan 11, 2022 3:48 pm

I have collated the benchmark results into a spreadsheet and written an article around this data. I hope this proves useful for anyone reading.

https://www.theatreofnoise.com/2022/01/ ... s-for.html
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Thank you for that work and the unbiased comparison. I fully agree with the recommendation of a MB Air M1 16 GB if you need it for the road and a good desktop PC for the heavy duty stuff. Best of both worlds at this point in time. The full compatibility of DR projects makes switching easy. The PC can digest ProRes and the Mac accepts DNxHR or Cineform. No problems there at all.
Let me add, though, that folks who need something stronger for the road, should go for the model below the top-of-the-line. IMHO, the M1 Max with 24 GPU cores is the sweet spot if you need the power. Apple always did that to us, the fully-loaded top model is for showing off and nothing else. Even with its low power consumption, it'll do some thermal throttling under full load (tested with Canon RAW footage). The 24 doesn't.
Finally, even if the speed of those internal SSDs is impressive, the prices are too. Just get one which can hold your system, programs and some leeway. I swear that external NVme storage is fast enough for the rest, you won't see any significant difference. Heck, even a regular Samsung T5 does pretty well. BTW, I count 4 ports on my laptop, since I can connect one monitor by HDMI ;-)
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Just felt compelled to share:

CPU Model: AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 8-Core Processor
GPU 1: Radeon RX 580 Series (OpenCL): 8192 MB total (8128 MB currently available), using up to 100%

CPU only (1 core): 3.83 frames/sec
CPU only (2 cores): 8.01 frames/sec
CPU only (3 cores): 10.9 frames/sec
CPU only (4 cores): 14 frames/sec
CPU only (5 cores): 16.4 frames/sec
CPU only (6 cores): 18.6 frames/sec
CPU only (7 cores): 20.4 frames/sec
CPU only (8 cores): 20.2 frames/sec
CPU only (9 cores): 20.4 frames/sec
CPU only (10 cores): 19.9 frames/sec
CPU only (11 cores): 19.7 frames/sec
CPU only (12 cores): 19.2 frames/sec
CPU only (13 cores): 18 frames/sec
CPU only (14 cores): 17.5 frames/sec
CPU only (15 cores): 16.7 frames/sec
CPU only (16 cores): 16.6 frames/sec
GPU only (Radeon RX 580 Series): 19 frames/sec
CPU (2 cores) and GPU (Radeon RX 580 Series): 15.1 frames/sec
CPU (3 cores) and GPU (Radeon RX 580 Series): 19.3 frames/sec
CPU (4 cores) and GPU (Radeon RX 580 Series): 21.7 frames/sec
CPU (5 cores) and GPU (Radeon RX 580 Series): 23.8 frames/sec
CPU (6 cores) and GPU (Radeon RX 580 Series): 26.8 frames/sec
CPU (7 cores) and GPU (Radeon RX 580 Series): 26.9 frames/sec
CPU (8 cores) and GPU (Radeon RX 580 Series): 27.4 frames/sec
CPU (9 cores) and GPU (Radeon RX 580 Series): 25.4 frames/sec
CPU (10 cores) and GPU (Radeon RX 580 Series): 25.7 frames/sec
CPU (11 cores) and GPU (Radeon RX 580 Series): 26.4 frames/sec
CPU (12 cores) and GPU (Radeon RX 580 Series): 26.8 frames/sec
CPU (13 cores) and GPU (Radeon RX 580 Series): 26.7 frames/sec
CPU (14 cores) and GPU (Radeon RX 580 Series): 25.6 frames/sec
CPU (15 cores) and GPU (Radeon RX 580 Series): 26 frames/sec
CPU (16 cores) and GPU (Radeon RX 580 Series): 22.3 frames/sec

Best combination: CPU (8 cores) and GPU (Radeon RX 580 Series): 27.4 frames/sec

GPU + CPU = $500

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Not too shabby for an older mid-level GPU. And then, I never had an "out of GPU memory" when working in timelines up to UHD and sources in 6K.
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Looking at the amount of money I'd currently need to spend for twice the performance, new or used, I'll wait for better times to replace it. Yes, never a frown at UHD and 6K footage, except it more often then not shuts down the PC when performing speed warp. Not sure why is that since it lives through any other effect while drawing the same amount of power.

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Speed Warp is very computational intensive. If the whole machine is shut down, it must be a power problem.
Even if the power supply should suffice, there could be fluctuations (weak cables or connectors).
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PostWed Jan 12, 2022 1:28 pm

Uli Plank wrote:Heck, even a regular Samsung T5 does pretty well.


In fact, the T5 seems to be the sweet spot. More recent drives have poorer sustained rates, to the point that they cannot support the same video streams.

Uli Plank wrote:BTW, I count 4 ports on my laptop, since I can connect one monitor by HDMI ;-)


I will correct that factual error. Thanks for pointing it out.
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Uli Plank wrote:Speed Warp is very computational intensive. If the whole machine is shut down, it must be a power problem.
Even if the power supply should suffice, there could be fluctuations (weak cables or connectors).


Your UHD test made the PC shut down somewhere beyond half-way...that's where VRAM flat-lines at 8GB... power issue, no doubt...or something else?
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I can’t exclude that 100%, but it has been quite a while that I saw such a shutdown under either modern OS.
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Uli Plank wrote:I can’t exclude that 100%, but it has been quite a while that I saw such a shutdown under either modern OS.
It's a 550W PS...I only have the 6 PCIe pins connected as the card didn't complain. The remaining two pins don't carry power anyway. I will no longer litter this thread with this problem, will post when I replace the PS. Thnx.

P.S. Ooooooh, I see now that the last clip has speedwarp on it, that's why it shuts down.

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PostThu Jan 20, 2022 2:54 pm

As promised, after change of PSU (now FSP Hydro K Pro 600W) and consequently the test surviving the dreaded speedwarp clip, I have clocked it at 44 min 23 seconds of h.264 export via AMD encoder (the rig is in the sig). CPU was at max 5% load, GPU maxed out at 80C, mouse movement rather laggy and jumpy. Is there a thread for this test? I'll do a Hackintosh run as well.
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PostThu Jan 20, 2022 3:21 pm

Robin Parmar has collected the results, see above.
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PostThu Jan 20, 2022 6:24 pm

I feel this might be relevant to the discussion:

The test took almost exactly the same time for DNxHR 444 12 bit BUT it took 33 min 28 sec on MacOS! That's whole 11 minutes faster!

Same hardware just different OS i.e. compute engine (Metal). It's not just silicon on M1, it's software libraries as well.
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PostFri Jan 21, 2022 1:38 pm

Mario Kalogjera wrote:Yes, never a frown at UHD and 6K footage, except it more often then not shuts down the PC when performing speed warp. Not sure why is that since it lives through any other effect while drawing the same amount of power.


It's more likely a shutdown due to overheating than power. Though if the BIOS is configured properly it should scale back on performance before allowing either the CPU or GPU to overheat.

Mario Kalogjera wrote:The test took almost exactly the same time for DNxHR 444 12 bit BUT it took 33 min 28 sec on MacOS! That's whole 11 minutes faster!


Could you explain what you mean by this? It took the "same time" but was "faster"?
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PostFri Jan 21, 2022 1:43 pm

I read that as it was 11 minutes faster on macOS Hackintosh using Metal than Windows using OpenCL on the same hardware.

The "same time" refers to H.264 vs DNxHR.
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PostFri Jan 21, 2022 2:53 pm

roger.magnusson wrote:I read that as it was 11 minutes faster on macOS Hackintosh using Metal than Windows using OpenCL on the same hardware.

The "same time" refers to H.264 vs DNxHR.


That's exactly what I meant. Thought it followed up from my previous post. As my mind is iterating on your comment, I should (have) time(d) the OpenCL mode on MacOS as well. Also an observation here that the BRAW footage is 8K but it worked with 8GB VRAM.

@Robin: could you put my results in the spreadsheet, at least the Hackintosh one, as it seems most interesting...
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PostSat Jan 22, 2022 2:16 pm

Mario Kalogjera wrote:Also an observation here that the BRAW footage is 8K but it worked with 8GB VRAM.


Not sure how that worked under Windows! Are AMD cards treated very differently from Nvidia? That's disappointing to learn.

Mario Kalogjera wrote:could you put my results in the spreadsheet, at least the Hackintosh one, as it seems most interesting...


I trust you understand that I won't be updating the spreadsheet on a running basis... I barely have time in my day to respond here. That doesn't rule out compiling results from this thread at a future date.
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PostSat Jan 22, 2022 2:23 pm

@robin:

No problem, wherever it comes around, of course.
Many reports suggest that memory full is quite a stranger to AMD GPUs. I don't know what to do exacrly to make it trip, windows or MacOS.

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PostSun Jan 23, 2022 10:15 am

Here are the results, under Hackintosh environment, with OpenCL instead of Metal: 48 min 08 sec. :? Slower than under Windows.

Obviously it's Metal that makes the difference, and possibly "older" Apple's AMD OpenCL drivers. Perhaps with OS update, the OpenCL performance would be better but I use Big Sur 11.0.1 and don't dare upgrade because I don't have the courage to go through the process at his moment :(
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PostWed Jan 26, 2022 10:19 pm

Started the test on a brand new Ryzen 5950X with a 3060 12 GB VRAM in a studio, and it crashed Resolve (it just closed) somewhere before the Glitch title clip. Up to that moment it steadily estimated 48 minutes to finish, which would put it, in the end, roughly on par with my RX580. What gives??? It's supposed to be twice as fast, even though Candle benchmark shows it's 1.5 at best. Is this GPU the one to miss after all, even though it looks like a good buy with 12 GB VRAM?
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