Codec news: VVC, AV1. Will DVR(S) support these someday?

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Codec news: VVC, AV1. Will DVR(S) support these someday?

PostThu Dec 02, 2021 10:20 am

I've just read a fresh (2021-12-01) article about new VVC codec abilities and now I am curious if one of these will definitely replace H.264/265 as a mainstream delivery codec for UHD and higher resolutions?

Does Blackmagick have any plans of supporting these in DaVinci? Or this is not a priority for next few years until the dust will settle?

As of today (beginning 2022) are AV1 and/or VVC any good for final deliveries? If yes, under what conditions?

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Re: Codec news: VVC, AV1. Will DVR(S) support these someday?

PostThu Dec 02, 2021 10:47 am

Atm. you may forget about them.
VVC is still more a theory than a real thing.
AV1 is more present. YT uses it for some 8K videos and support in hardware starts to appearing.
It's still very early days, so don't bother.
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Re: Codec news: VVC, AV1. Will DVR(S) support these someday?

PostThu Dec 02, 2021 11:16 am

Andrew Kolakowski wrote:Atm. you may forget about them.
VVC is still more a theory than a real thing.
AV1 is more present. YT uses it for some 8K videos and support in hardware starts to appearing.
It's still very early days, so don't bother.
Thanks! So it's a matter of 2025 no earlier probably. And in case some exotic client will want it, there should be no problem to transcode your final delivery master footage with ffmpeg into whatever you wish.

BTW right recently I was dealing with the licensed DCP footage for a movie theater (nothing serious, just cooked a disk with a correct MBR and filesystem layout to be ingestible for the cinema projector). The internal format is neither 4k nor UHD, just 2k in JPEG2000 codec and MXF container. And it's pretty good for the real big screen, so once again I doubt UHD really adds any observable value for delivery.
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Re: Codec news: VVC, AV1. Will DVR(S) support these someday?

PostThu Dec 02, 2021 11:28 am

Jpeg2000 in MXF is common for high-end delivery.
AV1 is terribly slow. VVC probably even slower and I don't think it's in ffmpeg.
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Re: Codec news: VVC, AV1. Will DVR(S) support these someday?

PostThu Dec 02, 2021 11:37 am

I thought AV1 was added to Resolve 17. Or was that something else? I remembering wondering why. Does any camera use it yet?

AV1 decoding has been on Intel chips for almost two years now .
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Re: Codec news: VVC, AV1. Will DVR(S) support these someday?

PostThu Dec 02, 2021 11:39 am

Looks like AV1 was added to 17.2 on windows systems. It's here. :o
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Re: Codec news: VVC, AV1. Will DVR(S) support these someday?

PostThu Dec 02, 2021 12:02 pm

If GPU supports it ? (most likely)
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Re: Codec news: VVC, AV1. Will DVR(S) support these someday?

PostThu Dec 02, 2021 12:17 pm

VP9 is in Resolve, in macOS also. That's similar to AV1 isn't it?

And it works without GPU accel - but pretty slow. Actually not as bad as I thought it was, but I'm getting about 8 FPS rendering it on 1080p timeline.

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Re: Codec news: VVC, AV1. Will DVR(S) support these someday?

PostThu Dec 02, 2021 12:53 pm

Hi.

AV1 Encoding was on the Intel i7-11700K Rocket Lake official slides until a few months before launch:
'Up to 4K60 10b 4:2:0 AV1'

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From: https://www.anandtech.com/show/16535/in ... ocket-lake

But I have idea, why it suddently disapered.

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Re: Codec news: VVC, AV1. Will DVR(S) support these someday?

PostThu Dec 02, 2021 1:47 pm

TheBloke wrote:VP9 is in Resolve, in macOS also. That's similar to AV1 isn't it?



AV1 replaces VP9 I think. AV1 is an update basically
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Re: Codec news: VVC, AV1. Will DVR(S) support these someday?

PostThu Dec 02, 2021 1:52 pm

Carsten Sellberg wrote:
But I have idea, why it suddently disapered.

Regards Carsten.


Marketing slides are just what they're pushing at the moment. It's been in since Tigerlake laptops.

https://github.com/intel/media-driver/b ... a-features

That's the Intel linux driver. Scroll down and you can see what's supported for Linux. Windows is going to be similar. Only decode for AV1.
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Re: Codec news: VVC, AV1. Will DVR(S) support these someday?

PostThu Dec 02, 2021 3:20 pm

is it mac only? or intel only? i'm currently on a ryzen system and i don't have the vp9 or AV1 option
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Re: Codec news: VVC, AV1. Will DVR(S) support these someday?

PostThu Dec 02, 2021 3:25 pm

You have old 1080 card, so this unlikely to do encoding for any latest codecs.
Also you are at 17.1.
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Re: Codec news: VVC, AV1. Will DVR(S) support these someday?

PostThu Dec 02, 2021 5:01 pm

https://developer.nvidia.com/video-enco ... ew#Encoder

VP9 encode will be CPU only unless you're on Apple Silicon
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Re: Codec news: VVC, AV1. Will DVR(S) support these someday?

PostThu Dec 02, 2021 5:03 pm

Or Intel for 10 and 8 bit.

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