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New H264/5 Export settings?

PostPosted: Thu Jan 19, 2023 3:25 pm
by Alexrocks1253
DaVinci Resolve seems to have recently added some new export settings which look similar to OBS's recording settings.

The bitrate section is the same, but the new settings seem to be:

Encoder: now has an auto option (Auto by default)

Preset: Different speeds listed (Medium selected by default)

Tuning: High Quality or Low Latency (High quality by default

Two Pass: Disabled, Quarter Resolution, Full Resolution (Disabled by default)

Should I change any of these from the H265 Master defaults?

Re: New H264/5 Export settings?

PostPosted: Thu Jan 19, 2023 3:27 pm
by Jim Simon
Yes.


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Re: New H264/5 Export settings?

PostPosted: Thu Jan 19, 2023 3:33 pm
by Alexrocks1253
Jim Simon wrote:Yes.


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Interesting. Why H.264 for SDR delivery? Shouldn't I use H265 for both since it produces higher quality at smaller file sizes?

Re: New H264/5 Export settings?

PostPosted: Thu Jan 19, 2023 3:36 pm
by Jim Simon
I do it mostly for standards compatibility. H.264 is pretty ubiquitous for HD/SDR, and H.265 seeming to the the norm for UHD/HDR.

No other reason.

Re: New H264/5 Export settings?

PostPosted: Thu Jan 19, 2023 5:58 pm
by Alexrocks1253
Jim Simon wrote:I do it mostly for standards compatibility. H.264 is pretty ubiquitous for HD/SDR, and H.265 seeming to the the norm for UHD/HDR.

No other reason.


That makes sense. For YouTube, then, the smaller file size should help with upload times and the ability to render to h264 will be good if it’s required for something paid.

Re: New H264/5 Export settings?

PostPosted: Fri Apr 07, 2023 10:40 pm
by Skiess
I only discover this change now after upgrading to a newer version.

Does this affect the presets that I already made?

I had a preset that actually exported high quality h264 with a bitrate setting of 350.000 but that setting is nowhere to be found now.
Does this mean I have to reinvent the wheel again? (in other words: spend another day trying to get a high quality h264 export without weird keyframe artifacts etc.) ?

EDIT: Yes it does mean exactly that. I select my high quality preset and Resolve poops out a video of less than a GB and lots of compression artifacts. The intentions are good of course, and resolve is only getting better and better, but you can't just dismiss carefully made presets. :( I'm sure many users don't even realize that this is happening until it's too late and they've got and angry client.

Is there perhaps a virtually lossless h264 4k default preset now that wasn't there before? I don't want to spend another eternity trying to find the right settings which have now become so complex you need a masters degree to understand.. ;)

Re: New H264/5 Export settings?

PostPosted: Sat Apr 08, 2023 3:03 am
by Uli Plank
Export in a mezzanine codec and then encode with HandBrake.

Re: New H264/5 Export settings?

PostPosted: Sat Apr 08, 2023 4:03 am
by RCModelReviews
Uli Plank wrote:Export in a mezzanine codec and then encode with HandBrake.

I've never found that necessary and it only adds an extra step to the workflow.

For my purposes, rendering straight to H265 using NVIDIA's engine is more than good enough.

Re: New H264/5 Export settings?

PostPosted: Sat Apr 08, 2023 4:19 am
by Uli Plank
I found Apple’s encoding good enough too.
But if you want more control, HandBrake is a good alternative.

Re: New H264/5 Export settings?

PostPosted: Sun Apr 09, 2023 12:05 am
by Jim Simon
Skiess wrote:I don't want to spend another eternity trying to find the right settings
Use the ones I posted above. ;)

(Changing only Resolution, Frame rate and Key Frames appropriately.)

Re: New H264/5 Export settings?

PostPosted: Sun May 21, 2023 8:58 pm
by FLASHAHOLICS
What key frames do I need for 25fps? Still 12? Or automatic?

Re: New H264/5 Export settings?

PostPosted: Fri Sep 06, 2024 11:58 am
by FLASHAHOLICS
LOOKAHEAD option now includes levels 0 to 3, which is the best level for high quality 4K 24FPS HDR?

Re: New H264/5 Export settings?

PostPosted: Fri Sep 06, 2024 2:13 pm
by Jim Simon
I found Level 3 to be the sweet spot for me.

Re: New H264/5 Export settings?

PostPosted: Fri Nov 22, 2024 12:49 am
by FLASHAHOLICS
Jim Simon wrote:I found Level 3 to be the sweet spot for me.


I'll have a play, just left it at 0 so far

I've noticed they've just added split mode too to the export options. Just Split/Auto options, what on Earth should that be set to?

Re: New H264/5 Export settings?

PostPosted: Fri Nov 22, 2024 4:20 pm
by Jim Simon
I haven't found that answer yet. :?

Re: New H264/5 Export settings?

PostPosted: Fri Nov 22, 2024 4:42 pm
by Mads Johansen
FLASHAHOLICS wrote:LOOKAHEAD option now includes levels 0 to 3, which is the best level for high quality 4K 24FPS HDR?

See https://docs.nvidia.com/video-technolog ... head-level

Edit: I just tested and my 3060 TI only supports Lookahead level 1.

Re: New H264/5 Export settings?

PostPosted: Sat Nov 23, 2024 12:43 am
by CougerJoe
FLASHAHOLICS wrote:
I've noticed they've just added split mode too to the export options. Just Split/Auto options, what on Earth should that be set to?


Split encoding makes Resolve encode to 2 Nvidia encoders at once which can increase speed of encode. I recall reading that Nvidia themselves say the quality is lower by using split encoding. Would be interesting see a quality analysis between split and non split encoding.

4070ti and above 40 series have the dual encoders

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Re: New H264/5 Export settings?

PostPosted: Sat Nov 23, 2024 1:59 am
by Cary Knoop
Jim Simon wrote:Yes.


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One typically does not want constant QP; CRF is great (but hardware implementations typically cannot handle this). In short, I would not use constant QP.

Re: New H264/5 Export settings?

PostPosted: Sat Nov 23, 2024 3:49 pm
by Jim Simon
Cary Knoop wrote:One typically does not want constant QP
Well, where quality is more of a concern than size... ;)

Re: New H264/5 Export settings?

PostPosted: Sun Nov 24, 2024 12:08 am
by FLASHAHOLICS
So using Simon's settings for high res 4K, which I do, Split will be bypassed even if selected?

Re: New H264/5 Export settings?

PostPosted: Sun Nov 24, 2024 1:26 pm
by Charles Bennett
These are my typical render settings for YouTube. Original footage is HD upscaled with Super Scale 2X to UHD in a UHD timeline. This 2min 37sec render came out at 1.53GB, though I never worry about final file sizes.
In case anybody wonders, the timeline resolution is my preferred 2.25:1. :)

Re: New H264/5 Export settings?

PostPosted: Sun Nov 24, 2024 3:11 pm
by Jim Simon
FLASHAHOLICS wrote:Split will be bypassed even if selected?
Looks like.

Re: New H264/5 Export settings?

PostPosted: Tue Nov 26, 2024 10:13 am
by Fabien Remblier
Uli Plank wrote:Export in a mezzanine codec and then encode with HandBrake.

No. Not Handbrake.
Use Shutter Encoder for a good result.

Re: New H264/5 Export settings?

PostPosted: Tue Nov 26, 2024 1:20 pm
by Uli Plank
I like Shutter Encoder just as much.
But both are just frontends for ffmpeg, so identical settings will deliver the same quality.

Re: New H264/5 Export settings?

PostPosted: Sat Nov 30, 2024 5:57 pm
by Cary Knoop
Jim Simon wrote:
Cary Knoop wrote:One typically does not want constant QP
Well, where quality is more of a concern than size... ;)

QP does not consider how complex a scene is when compressing video. As a result, the quality of the footage can vary a lot. Complex scenes may look worse because they get the same level of compression as simpler ones, even though they need more data to look good. This inconsistency leads to some sections of the video showing noticeable flaws during detailed or fast-moving scenes, while static or simple parts look better than necessary. This rigid approach to compression makes QP less suitable for videos with different scene types, like movies, sports, or gaming, where it's important to keep the quality consistent throughout.

Re: New H264/5 Export settings?

PostPosted: Sun Dec 01, 2024 12:37 am
by Jim Simon
Cary Knoop wrote:QP does not consider how complex a scene is when compressing video.
That's exactly what it does. More complex, more bits. No limits to how many bits as with CBR and VBR. :)