Color Managment while exporting

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Marcin Rutkowski

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Color Managment while exporting

PostSat Mar 23, 2024 7:08 am

Hello,
I work on MacOS, so while working in colors I set my color managment like that:

Working Color Gamut: Davinci Wide Gamut
Working Color Gamma: Davinci Intermediate

Output Color Gamut: P3-D650
Output Color Gamma: 2.2

However when I don't know what to do while I want to export to REC709 Gamma 2.2. Should I change output color gamma, or there is another way?
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Re: Color Managment while exporting

PostSat Mar 23, 2024 10:31 pm

If you don't work for cinema, your settings don't make much sense.
Check for the tons of discussions regarding the dreaded gamma issue.
Now that the cat #19 is out of the bag, test it as much as you can and use the subforum.

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Re: Color Managment while exporting

PostSun Mar 24, 2024 3:05 am

Marcin Rutkowski wrote:Output Color Gamut: P3-D650
Output Color Gamma: 2.2

Why in the world would you export to P3/2.2? That makes no sense.

I would just monitor in Rec 709/gamma 2.4, and export in the exact same format. If this is going to be watched from the web on a Mac, you could make an argument to instead use gamma 2.2... but the difference is not that gigantic.

BTW, here's a good display setting for modern Macs made in the last 3-4 years:

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I'm not going to guarantee that it will always work, but "in general" it looks OK.

The problem of accurate color out in the wilds of the internet has been argued and debated and analyzed and fixed and unfixed a thousand times on this forum. It basically boils down to: without monitor calibration, it's the Wild West -- you can't predict anything. In a closed system, where you control the display used for final color decisions and also the monitor used for client playback, THEN you can make sure they'll resemble each other. Anything else is a crapshoot. (Sound mixes have similar problems: a great mix will sound different on earphones, on a laptop, on a TV set, and in a theater.)

Read these discussions for more info:

"Grading for Mixed Delivery: Cinema, Home, and Every Screen in Between" by Cullen Kelly
https://blog.frame.io/2019/10/14/gradin ... -delivery/

and

"How to Deal with Levels: Full vs. Video"
by Dan Swierenga
https://www.thepostprocess.com/2019/09/ ... l-vs-video

and I think both cover the issues and the solutions very well.
marc wielage, csi • VP/color & workflow • chroma | hollywood
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Re: Color Managment while exporting

PostSun Mar 24, 2024 6:24 am

Thank You for replaying. I will read what you linked form me.
This P3-D65 was set up to match MacOS default color space, but as I see, I sould work diffrent way.
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Re: Color Managment while exporting

PostMon Mar 25, 2024 11:52 am

You can set your own:
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Re: Color Managment while exporting

PostTue Mar 26, 2024 12:53 pm

Thank You, I've already found out that native color space for macbook is P3. Also I found Cullen Kelly's video which explains a lot :)

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