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When using Source Clip mode to pull in a clip from a single piece of source media, pressing the Source button on the Speed Editor used to go back to the spot I was at in the source media to continue pulling more clips. Now it always defaults to the Source Tape mode and my previous location in the source media is gone.

The Source and Timeline buttons on the Speed Editor should simply toggle back and forth between where I was in source media and where I was in the timeline. If I'm in Source Clip mode, then remember my setting and put me back in Source Clip mode when I switch back. Likewise, if I'm in Source Tape mode, then remember my setting and put me back in Source Tape mode when I switch back. Please do not reset anything here, just remember my previous settings and put me right back where I was.

In general Resolve has a serious problem about not remembering settings and resetting everything when you try to go back to a previous task, but this one is especially frustrating because I use this all the time. While I'm very happy to have Source Tape mode on the Edit page, I don't always want to use it and sometimes its faster to open a single piece of media to pull clips. Thanks!

I'm seeing this problem in the Cut and Edit pages as well.

Thanks Charles. Previously the only time I ever switched to the Cut page was when I wanted to use the Source Tape view. Since I was always in Source Tape mode, I never noticed the Cut page's behavior on this. The Edit page was always in Source Clip mode since that was the only option.

If Resolve is not able to remember my last setting, then at least let us choose which mode to have as the default. I'd rather have Source Clip mode as the default.

When using Source Clip mode I toggle back and forth between Source and Timeline a lot, but when using Source Tape mode I'm usually appending a bunch of clips to the timeline with the "Append" button on the Speed Editor (which doesn't switch out of Source Tape mode). I don't do a lot of switching back and forth between Source and Timeline when in Source Tape mode.

I can confirm that it's really wonky as described. I think you'll find if you use the keyboard shortcuts instead of the SpeedEditor, you can also get Resolve confused, particularly if you also use the F key to match frame.

I know this is a bit off topic but can I also add that when switching to source tape mode, Resolve forces open the media pool page (on the edit page) which interferes with my viewer setup (I'd rather not see the media pool unless I want to see the media pool). Anyone else?

Steve Alexander wrote:I think you'll find if you use the keyboard shortcuts instead of the SpeedEditor, you can also get Resolve confused, particularly if you also use the F key to match frame.

Oh no, you're right! I hadn't actually tried that one yet as I've just been playing around in test projects trying out new features. I use F to add audio to video clips that are already on the timeline all of the time. But it seems to be extremely buggy, sometimes it only jumps to the last clip of the entire Source Tape view, sometimes it works correctly. I even somehow managed to make the other buttons (Source Tape and Timeline) completely disappear so only Source Clip was showing, but now they are back. This is bizarre.

I know this is a bit off topic but can I also add that when switching to source tape mode, Resolve forces open the media pool page (on the edit page) which interferes with my viewer setup (I'd rather not see the media pool unless I want to see the media pool). Anyone else?

Yep, Source Tape forces open the media pool for me too. Switching to Source Clip does not force open the media pool, only Source Tape does that.

Steve Alexander wrote:I know this is a bit off topic but can I also add that when switching to source tape mode, Resolve forces open the media pool page (on the edit page) which interferes with my viewer setup (I'd rather not see the media pool unless I want to see the media pool). Anyone else?

+1. Speed editor not really compatible yet with the new swap setup.

kinvermark wrote:

Steve Alexander wrote:I know this is a bit off topic but can I also add that when switching to source tape mode, Resolve forces open the media pool page (on the edit page) which interferes with my viewer setup (I'd rather not see the media pool unless I want to see the media pool). Anyone else?

+1. Speed editor not really compatible yet with the new swap setup.

It's not just the Speed Editor, simply pressing the Source Tape button in the viewer does it too. However, pressing the Source Clip button does not force open the Media Pool.

Tekkerue wrote:However, pressing the Source Clip button does not force open the Media Pool.

Also the SOURCE TIMELINE button is OK.

So, my question is: what should the SOURCE key on the Speed editor actually do ? I just need a swap, so don't really need two keys for that - could just hit TIMELINE key to toggle that.

kinvermark wrote:So, my question is: what should the SOURCE key on the Speed editor actually do ?

For now, I think the Source button should go back to whichever source mode you were last using. As a default, they can pick either Source Tape or Source Clip (not important to me what the default is). But once I make a change, the Speed Editor should remember that change.

If I double click a file to open it from the media pool, then I'm in Source Clip mode and the Source button on the Speed Editor should remember that until I change it by pressing the Source Tape button. If I press the Source Tape button, then the Source button should remember that until I change it.

Ideally, if Blackmagic would unlock the Speed Editor and allow us to reassign the keys (which they absolutely should do with the price increase on the Speed Editor), then we could change the buttons to do whatever we wanted. I don't know if every key on the Speed Editor is double-pressable, but if they are then I would have a single press on the Source button switch to Source Clip and a double-press switch to Source Tape. This would be perfect.

That all works for me too. Hopeful

Preface - I agree with you Sean, plus:

My thinking (in additiona to what you wrote):

The first click on the Source button would take you to source tape (initially) and a second click would take you to the source clip of the clip you were positioned on in the source tape mode. Then hitting timeline would take you back to the timeline to edit-in your source selection whether in source tape or clip mode. Hitting the source button again would take you back to whatever clip or tape mode you were in previously.

Also, if you are in source tape or clip mode (and source viewer has focus) and you hit F, it moves the timeline cursor to the frame you are on in the source viewer (reverse match frame) whereas if you have the timeline viewer in focus, hitting F should match the timeline's frame to the source clip/tape frame with either source tape or clip as mode depending on which you used most recently. Seems like if you match frame to the source viewer, the source viewer should get focus and if you match frame again from source viewer, the timeline viewer should get focus.

Then there's the case where the clip or the portion of the clip you are on in one of the viewers doesn't have a counterpart in the other viewer - not sure what should happen then. I guess if you are in the timeline and your source clip is not in the current source tape then Resolve should switch to source clip mode and load the relevant source clip into the source viewer. If you are in the source viewer in source tape mode but at a location in the source that does not have a corresponding clip in the timeline, I guess F would do nothing.

Honestly, I'm sure there are workflows I've completely left out of this but even if you start with the idea that you want to edit into the timeline a bin of footage and then go back through the timeline to find source for the purposes of overwriting some of the audio in the timeline via a second pass, for example, the use case should be supported with the minimal set of button pushes. So thinking of how it should behave with specific workflows or tasks in mind might be a good start.

Sorry for the babbling.

Steve Alexander wrote:The first click on the Source button would take you to source tape (initially) and a second click would take you to the source clip of the clip you were positioned on in the source tape mode.

I use Source Clip way more than Source Tape, so my preference would be single press for Source Clip and double press for Source Tape.

This is why I'm such an advocate for customization. We all have different preferences for how we want things laid out. Resolve needs an editor to remap the keys on the Speed Editor and it DESPERATELY needs a Mouse Editor to remap the mouse wheel+modifiers and mouse buttons. This already exists for the keyboard, but it needs to be extended for both the Mouse and the Speed Editor. Then we can all set things up exactly the way we want and everyone can be happy.

From Beta 2 release notes:
"Multiple usability improvements to source timeline viewer workflows."

I really had hopes that this would include improvements to the Source Tape/Source Clip modes, but I just installed Beta 2 and unfortunately, this problem still exists.

To make the fix simple, can we please have the option to change the default source mode?
- Right-Click the Source Clip or Source Tape button and then "Set Source Default"
- An option in the three dot menu of the Video Preview panel.

Either one would be great. I'd rather go back to Source Clip view as the default source mode.


EDIT:

Actually, I found an even easier fix. There are a couple settings for toggling the source/timeline views:
View > Source/Timeline Viewer
View > Source Clip/Source Tape

The first one switches between Source and the Timeline view
The second one switches the Source between Source Clip and Source Tape

When you use the second option to select which source mode to use, the first option does respect your choice and remember the one you selected when toggling between Source and Timeline.

The Source button on the Speed Editor should do what the first option (Source/Timeline Viewer) does and remember whichever option is selected by the Source Clip/Source Tape option. But the Speed Editor does not remember the selection, it always goes to Source Tape and there is no way to change this.

For now I at least have a decent work around. I've always used the Speed Editor for this and haven't ever used the menus or keyboard shortcuts, but this will work for now until it the Speed Editor is fixed.

Frustrating that BMD doesn’t acknowledge this thread.

This is the perfect Thread to make sure people know this exact change has happened on the Editor Keyboard as well. v19- source button to clip from, timeline button to drop it, source button again to go back to where i just was in the clip i was in.

v20- exactly as OP describes after you are in Timeline, pressing the Source button goes to Source Tape and top most clip in media pool: if i use the default Shift-Q to switch to Source Clip Mode, the default clip selection is always the topmost in media pool and I must navigate back through the pool to find the clip I was sourcing from.

Please bring a memory on board like it has in 19, just remember exactly as it does in 19 and add the Source Tape feature as a secondary default that we can control.
I too use this feature constantly, hands free of a mouse in the edit page. I called support and talked to Brian Neal on the phone for a few minutes and he recommended posting in the Forum. Hoping I found and contributed to the correct thread.

I hope SUPPORT reads this we need a fix.

I tested Beta 3 and this bug has been fixed.

The Source button on the Speed Editor now remembers your last setting for Source Clip or Source Tape, which is perfect! Thank you!

Tekkerue wrote:I tested Beta 3 and this bug has been fixed.

The Source button on the Speed Editor now remembers your last setting for Source Clip or Source Tape, which is perfect! Thank you!

Not quite.... at least on my install it does not remember it was in "SOURCE TIMELINE" mode, so I cannot use the Speed editor "Source" and "Timeline" buttons to switch between the two. I will go to SOURCE or SOURCE TAPE, then I have to hit another keyboard shortcut to push it into source timeline mode.

Unless I missed an SE update?

kinvermark wrote:Not quite.... at least on my install it does not remember it was in "SOURCE TIMELINE" mode, so I cannot use the Speed editor "Source" and "Timeline" buttons to switch between the two.

Oh, I have not used the Source Timeline yet. My bug report was only using Source Clip and Source Tape.

I just tried it and you are correct, the Source button on the Speed Editor does not remember Source Timeline. This should definitely be included in the Source button's "memory" for last selected Source option.

In fact, it looks like the Source Timeline button is sharing the main Timeline button in the toolbar (the Timeline button turns blue for Source Timeline)... I don't like that etiher. I think the Source Timeline button should be a separate Source button, not shared with the main Timeline button. I have no problem with four buttons, but if they wanted to save space they could add a dropdown menu for the Source buttons.

Please support read this!!! we want to love our keyboards again.

Fixed in beta 4 !

Looks like DR "remembers:" the last source viewer mode, so Speed Editor "source" button and "timeline" buttons can now be used to switch between the two.

Confirmed this source button on the keyboards has been corrected in Beta 4. Thank you support!! we love you guys

Agreed!

My issue of remembering Source Clip and Source Tape was fixed in Beta 3 (I mentioned it above when this was fixed).

However, the issue kinvermark brought up is that the Source button does not remember the Source Timeline mode if this was the last used source mode. I just checked Beta 4 and this is still not working.

Tekkerue wrote:However, the issue kinvermark brought up is that the Source button does not remember the Source Timeline mode if this was the last used source mode. I just checked Beta 4 and this is still not working.

To be clear, we are talking about speed editor source key behaviour... which, for me, is as I described above (i.e. beta 3 NEVER went to "source timeline" mode, beta 4 does so consistently once source timeline mode is activated.)

I think the discrepancy is that I am using DUAL VIEWER MODE whereas I guess you are only using single viewer mode.... ya, that does not seem to work.

Lots of permutations, so hard to be sure we are all on the same page. Figuratively

kinvermark wrote:To be clear, we are talking about speed editor source key behaviour... which, for me, is as I described above (i.e. beta 3 NEVER went to "source timeline" mode, beta 4 does so consistently once source timeline mode is activated.)

I think the discrepancy is that I am using DUAL VIEWER MODE whereas I guess you are only using single viewer mode.... ya, that does not seem to work.

Yes, I was talking about the Source button on the Speed Editor as well. For me it doesn't work with Source Timeline, and you are correct that it is because I'm using Singe Viewer mode, which still does not work as of Beta 4 (Dual Viewer mode does work though). I'm on a single monitor and I almost always have the Inspector and Media Pool open, which restricts my use of using Dual Viewer mode so I don't use it.

As of Beta 4:
The Source button on the Speed Editor still does not remember Source Timeline when in Single Viewer mode.

I can confirm this on dual and single window mode for the Editor Keyboard as well. remembers the source tape position but not the source clip position beta 4