fx30 files as raw in resolve studio 20?

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fx30 files as raw in resolve studio 20?

PostSat May 17, 2025 3:59 pm

Hello,
I am opening Sony fx30 files in resolve 20. Files are saved as XAVC HS in camera. I brought them in to catalyst and exported and transcoded them to XAVC -I. when I bring them in to davinci resolve(selected sony raw at project level) clips do not give an option for raw. I see that lot of people talk about this workflow and seems to be successful in doing so. I cant , for the life of me figure out why it is not giving that option for me.


Please help!

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Updated : 05/18/2025
For the benefit of people coming back to this topic and is pulling their hair out, here is what I learned.

Sony FX30 files when brought in to Davinci resolve studio after transcoding in Catalyst, gives the option to edit the Camera Raw tab.
Only the Color smace and Gamma will be grayed out, if you choose the Decode using Clip option in Raw tab.

I tried all combinations of Log Shooting, Color Gamut and File Format choices in the camera
FX30 files will NOT work as is in the Davinci for this purpose
You have to transcode it in the Sony Catalyst software. and then bring the MXF file in to Davinci for it to work

In camera
Choose S-Gamut3.Cine/S-Log3
For ISO, Under Log Shooting, you can choose Flexible, or EI quick or EI. This doesnt seem to impact anything.
In Editor:
Bring it in Sony Catalyst software the free Catalyst Browse option will work for this purpose
Export it( transcode it) using the Format as "XAVC Intra" and
Output Color space as "S-Gamut3.Cine/S-Log3" then bring that MXF file to Davinci.
Choose Sony RAW for raw option in project.

** I also found that if you choose regular S-Log3 option and transcode keeping source and output same it doest work, However when you choose S-Gamut3.Cine/S-Log3, it will work in Davinci. So if you have it in something else, just convert in catalyst while transcoding , to the .Cine opition and that works as well.

Hope this helps someone.
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Re: fx30 files as raw in resolve studio 20?

PostSat May 17, 2025 7:23 pm

https://www.xdcam-user.com/2022/12/xavc-i-or-xavc-l-which-to-choose/ is a page that goes into the various HEVC codec types. None are raw codecs. Hope this helps EDIT: I see below there is more to the story. Best of luck
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Re: fx30 files as raw in resolve studio 20?

PostSat May 17, 2025 10:25 pm

bejijoseph wrote:I am opening Sony fx30 files in resolve 20. Files are saved as XAVC HS in camera. I brought them in to catalyst and exported and transcoded them to XAVC -I. when I bring them in to davinci resolve(selected sony raw at project level) clips do not give an option for raw. I see that lot of people talk about this workflow and seems to be successful in doing so. I cant , for the life of me figure out why it is not giving that option for me...

Starting with Resolve Studio 18.5 there has been the feature "RAW controls for XAVC-I." That enables RAW-like adjustments using the Camera RAW controls on the Color Page. By "RAW-like", I mean you can adjust WB, ISO, tint, etc. the same as on true RAW material, even though XAVC-I is 10-bit 4:2:2 All-Intra in the MXF container.

However I believe it requires the camera be in Cine EI mode (meaning S-Log3/SGamut3.cine), record using XAVC-I and using the MXF container. The FX6 and I think FX9 do that, not the FX30, FX3 or A7SIII.

I've heard some people say the mirrorless camera material if transcoded using Sony's Catalyst Browse software to XAVC-I might enable the Resolve "RAW Controls for XAVC-I" feature, but I tried that using XAVC SI All-Intra S-Log3 material from the A7SIII, and it didn't work. It appears the MP4 container format of the mirrorless cameras does not record the required metadata to enable this:

viewtopic.php?f=21&t=194515
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Re: fx30 files as raw in resolve studio 20?

PostSun May 18, 2025 1:46 am

joema4 wrote:Starting with Resolve Studio 18.5 there has been the feature "RAW controls for XAVC-I." That enables RAW-like adjustments using the Camera RAW controls on the Color Page. By "RAW-like", I mean you can adjust WB, ISO, tint, etc. the same as on true RAW material, even though XAVC-I is 10-bit 4:2:2 All-Intra in the MXF container.

However I believe it requires the camera be in Cine EI mode (meaning S-Log3/SGamut3.cine), record using XAVC-I and using the MXF container. The FX6 and I think FX9 do that, not the FX30, FX3 or A7SIII.

I've heard some people say the mirrorless camera material if transcoded using Sony's Catalyst Browse software to XAVC-I might enable the Resolve "RAW Controls for XAVC-I" feature, but I tried that using XAVC SI All-Intra S-Log3 material from the A7SIII, and it didn't work.

I have FX30, have tried transcoding through Catalyst Brose approach before, and can confirm that it does work.
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Re: fx30 files as raw in resolve studio 20?

PostSun May 18, 2025 2:24 am

4EvrYng wrote:I have FX30, have tried transcoding through Catalyst Brose approach before, and can confirm that it does work.

Thanks. Does the FX30 have Cine EI mode? What mode was it in when producing S-Log3/S-Gamut3.cine material? Was your codec 10-bit 4:2:2 using the XAVC-S, XAVC-HS or XAVC-SI formats, or what? Also, what camera firmware version?
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Re: fx30 files as raw in resolve studio 20?

PostSun May 18, 2025 3:56 am

joema4 wrote:Thanks. Does the FX30 have Cine EI mode? What mode was it in when producing S-Log3/S-Gamut3.cine material?

You are welcome. FX30 does have Cine EI mode but I have tried both that and Flex ISO mode and it worked for both.

joema4 wrote:Was your codec 10-bit 4:2:2 using the XAVC-S, XAVC-HS or XAVC-SI formats, or what?

I can find comment in my notes that I tried both HS and SI and that it worked for both but I can't find that I tried S. However my comment states that it worked for any source codec as long as it was transcoded in Catalyst Browse to SI.

joema4 wrote:Also, what camera firmware version?

I am still on 3.0.
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Re: fx30 files as raw in resolve studio 20?

PostSun May 18, 2025 7:57 pm

Jack Takashi wrote:https://www.xdcam-user.com/2022/12/xavc-i-or-xavc-l-which-to-choose/ is a page that goes into the various HEVC codec types. None are raw codecs. Hope this helps EDIT: I see below there is more to the story. Best of luck



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Re: fx30 files as raw in resolve studio 20?

PostSun May 18, 2025 8:23 pm

joema4 wrote:Starting with Resolve Studio 18.5 there has been the feature "RAW controls for XAVC-I." That enables RAW-like adjustments using the Camera RAW controls on the Color Page. By "RAW-like", I mean you can adjust WB, ISO, tint, etc. the same as on true RAW material, even though XAVC-I is 10-bit 4:2:2 All-Intra in the MXF container.

However I believe it requires the camera be in Cine EI mode (meaning S-Log3/SGamut3.cine), record using XAVC-I and using the MXF container. The FX6 and I think FX9 do that, not the FX30, FX3 or A7SIII.

I've heard some people say the mirrorless camera material if transcoded using Sony's Catalyst Browse software to XAVC-I might enable the Resolve "RAW Controls for XAVC-I" feature, but I tried that using XAVC SI All-Intra S-Log3 material from the A7SIII, and it didn't work. It appears the MP4 container format of the mirrorless cameras does not record the required metadata to enable this:

viewtopic.php?f=21&t=194515



Have you tried choosing both
S-Gamut3.Cine/S-Log3 and XAVC Intra options in catalyst browser? that is what made the dofference for me. It might work for the A7SIII
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Re: fx30 files as raw in resolve studio 20?

PostMon May 19, 2025 12:08 am

bejijoseph wrote:...Have you tried choosing both
S-Gamut3.Cine/S-Log3 and XAVC Intra options in catalyst browser? that is what made the dofference for me. It might work for the A7SIII

I believe I tried 10-bit 4:2:2 XAVC SI, S-Log3/S-Gamut3.cine in the A7SIII, and after transcoding to XAVC-I in Catalyst Browse, and importing the resultant MXF clip to Resolve 19.1.4, it still did not show the RAW controls for XAVC.

That might be because the A7SIII does not have Cine EI mode, even on the latest firmware. I think only the FX30 and FX3 have that. On the FX6, the Resolve RAW controls only work if the clip is shot using Cine EI, so I figured the mirrorless cameras might be similar.

On the FX6, Cine EI mode automatically selects S-Log3/S-Gamut3.cine, and automatically disables auto WB, locks the ISO to either 800 or 12800, and disables auto shutter speed.

I found a 4k FX30 S-Log3/S-Gamut3.cine XAVC-S MP4 file in my archives, and using MacOS Catalyst Browse version 2025.1.0.597, I transcoded it to XAVC-I MXF, imported to Resolve and the RAW controls worked. The camera was set to a WB preset of 3400K. I can't tell if it was in Cine EI mode.

I currently don't think the Resolve RAW Controls for XAVC works with transcoded A7SIII material, but it seems to work with FX30 and FX3 material transcoded to XAVC-I MXF using Catalyst Browse. However that probably requires the FX30/FX3 camera be in Cine EI mode (or maybe just S-Log3/S-Gamut3.cine and no Auto WB) and shoot a 10-bit 4:2:2 codec. It would definitely not work with S-Cinetone or normal Rec.709 color profiles.
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Re: fx30 files as raw in resolve studio 20?

PostMon May 19, 2025 12:22 am

joema4 wrote:I believe I tried 10-bit 4:2:2 XAVC SI, S-Log3/S-Gamut3.cine in the A7SIII, and after transcoding to XAVC-I in Catalyst Browse, and importing the resultant MXF clip to Resolve 19.1.4, it still did not show the RAW controls for XAVC. That might be because the A7SIII does not have Cine EI mode, even on the latest firmware.
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However that probably requires the FX30/FX3 camera be in Cine EI mode ...

When I first heard of this people said that it does not work with all of the cameras because, IIRC, some of them allegedly don't record metadata needed for it. I don't know which cameras are on (un)supported list.

I believe will it work has nothing to do with was footage recorded in Cine EI mode because, like I mentioned in previous post, I have tried it with footage recorded using Flex ISO mode (in other words: not in Cine EI mode) and it worked with it.
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Re: fx30 files as raw in resolve studio 20?

PostMon May 19, 2025 10:45 pm

4EvrYng wrote:
joema4 wrote:I believe I tried 10-bit 4:2:2 XAVC SI, S-Log3/S-Gamut3.cine in the A7SIII, and after transcoding to XAVC-I in Catalyst Browse, and importing the resultant MXF clip to Resolve 19.1.4, it still did not show the RAW controls for XAVC. That might be because the A7SIII does not have Cine EI mode, even on the latest firmware.
...
However that probably requires the FX30/FX3 camera be in Cine EI mode ...

When I first heard of this people said that it does not work with all of the cameras because, IIRC, some of them allegedly don't record metadata needed for it. I don't know which cameras are on (un)supported list.

I believe will it work has nothing to do with was footage recorded in Cine EI mode because, like I mentioned in previous post, I have tried it with footage recorded using Flex ISO mode (in other words: not in Cine EI mode) and it worked with it.



It is not the ISO option that is the issue. You need to use Color space as "S-Gamut3.Cine/S-Log3"
You can do it either in camera or if you choose regular S-Log3 in camera, when you transcode it, you can choose to output in Color space as "S-Gamut3.Cine/S-Log3". that is when davinci allow you to edit the raw options.
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PostTue May 20, 2025 12:19 am

It is not the ISO option that is the issue. You need to use Color space as "S-Gamut3.Cine/S-Log3"
You can do it either in camera or if you choose regular S-Log3 in camera, when you transcode it, you can choose to output in Color space as "S-Gamut3.Cine/S-Log3". that is when davinci allow you to edit the raw options.[/quote]

Is this true with any Sony camera, like the A6700? Is the transcode done in DaVinci or in Catalyst?

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Re: fx30 files as raw in resolve studio 20?

PostTue May 20, 2025 12:31 am

bejijoseph wrote:
4EvrYng wrote:
joema4 wrote:I believe I tried 10-bit 4:2:2 XAVC SI, S-Log3/S-Gamut3.cine in the A7SIII, and after transcoding to XAVC-I in Catalyst Browse, and importing the resultant MXF clip to Resolve 19.1.4, it still did not show the RAW controls for XAVC. That might be because the A7SIII does not have Cine EI mode, even on the latest firmware.
...
However that probably requires the FX30/FX3 camera be in Cine EI mode ...

When I first heard of this people said that it does not work with all of the cameras because, IIRC, some of them allegedly don't record metadata needed for it. I don't know which cameras are on (un)supported list.

I believe will it work has nothing to do with was footage recorded in Cine EI mode because, like I mentioned in previous post, I have tried it with footage recorded using Flex ISO mode (in other words: not in Cine EI mode) and it worked with it.


It is not the ISO option that is the issue. You need to use Color space as "S-Gamut3.Cine/S-Log3"
You can do it either in camera or if you choose regular S-Log3 in camera, when you transcode it, you can choose to output in Color space as "S-Gamut3.Cine/S-Log3". that is when davinci allow you to edit the raw options.

Yes, footage imported into DR having to be in SGamut3.Cine+SLog3 is one of the requirements (which makes sense) but it is not the only requirement. Footage also has to come from one of the cameras this is supported for. For example, when I tried it with A7IV footage it did not work even though exactly same process has been followed.
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Re: fx30 files as raw in resolve studio 20?

PostTue May 20, 2025 12:33 am

ricardo marty wrote:Is this true with any Sony camera, like the A6700? Is the transcode done in DaVinci or in Catalyst?

No, it is not true with any Sony camera so you will have to try it on a case by case basis. Transcode is done in Catalyst and output must be in MXF wrapper.

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