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Posted: **Wed May 28, 2025 6:31 am**

They will not listen to us, it’s their choice. After countless messages and views and giving them every feedback possible, I think we have lost.

After using Resolve and their equipment for more than 7+ years, finally, I think I have to switch forcefully by BMD. It’s a shame for me, but I have to move on.

After so many requests, the multilayer keyframing is gone—means the whole functionality is gone in 20.
One major feature that every small to big project uses… If BMD only wants us to use the color page, then I guess it’s just for them.

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> viewtopic.php?f=40&t=220215

Even one member from the forum has not assured us that we’re talking with the devs or anything.

Just like that, a major feature is gone in 20.9 which made Resolve unique...

Now Resolve wants us to do keyframing for just one clip. Then what was the need for this fancy new keyframing panel?

Thanks, guys, it's been a pleasure.

Posted: **Wed May 28, 2025 10:54 am**

DarkSector wrote:After using Resolve and their equipment for mor e than 7+ years, finally, I think I have to switch forcefully by BMD. It’s a shame for me, but I have to move on.

Switch to what?

Posted: **Wed May 28, 2025 11:43 am**

Dear @Marc Wielage,

Respected Sir,

You have been a part of this forum for ages, and you are my senior.

I run not a big but a medium-sized media company. Our projects include real estate, weddings, music videos, concerts, motion graphics, and web series from various parts of the world.

We have always used tools from BMD — cameras and software as well. As you can understand, it feels incredibly frustrating when a company I admire so much, and always speak positively about, makes such a drastic change.

Nonetheless, DaVinci Resolve should take pride in itself, because it has been one of the best and most unique pieces of software available on the internet — along with only 2 or 3 others — until version 19.

In version 20, everything has changed. Even though I was very excited about the new features in version 20, I completely lost my mind when I saw the multi-layer keyframing option was totally removed. We have been using that for over 5 years in our projects — and many users relied on it for speed ramping, visual effects, keyframe matching between clips, and much more.

But right now, none of this can be done. We can only see one clip's keyframes at a time.

Until today, 90% of users haven’t installed Resolve 20 due to it being in beta. Now that the stable version has been released, you will see how many serious complaints come in.

On YouTube, there are already dozens of videos about it. Even though we love the new panel, simply removing a crucial feature like this is shocking. I think they don’t have a proper testing department (sorry to say this — I’m just angry).

As for switching — you already guessed — Premiere is the last option (though I hate that software even more nowadays). Still, I’ll continue using Resolve for color grading only, that’s all.

Until the keyframe feature is fixed — and if it’s not — I’ll sell all BMD products and start fresh.

At the end of the day, this one UI change has doubled our workflow time. A single change has disrupted the work of thousands of editors.

Hopefully, you do not mind my harsh words, sir.

Posted: **Wed May 28, 2025 11:53 am**

DarkSector wrote:They will not listen to us, it’s their choice. After countless messages and views and giving them every feedback possible, I think we have lost.

After using Resolve and their equipment for more than 7+ years, finally, I think I have to switch forcefully by BMD. It’s a shame for me, but I have to move on.

After so many requests, the multilayer keyframing is gone—means the whole functionality is gone in 20.
One major feature that every small to big project uses… If BMD only wants us to use the color page, then I guess it’s just for them.
> viewtopic.php?f=40&t=220215

Even one member from the forum has not assured us that we’re talking with the devs or anything.

Just like that, a major feature is gone in 20.9 which made Resolve unique...

Now Resolve wants us to do keyframing for just one clip. Then what was the need for this fancy new keyframing panel?

Thanks, guys, it's been a pleasure.

DaVinci Resolve is just a tool—buy it if it's useful, toss it if it's not. Simple, right?

Posted: **Wed May 28, 2025 12:06 pm**

Did you post the original feedback in the main forum instead of the feedback forum? They would've have fixed this if they saw it.

All they need to do is enable the Keyframe panel to view keyframes for multiple selections.

Posted: **Wed May 28, 2025 12:15 pm**

Already have this post on the beta feedback:
viewtopic.php?f=40&t=220215

69 posts and 4000+ views.

What can I do, you say? They will not listen at all.
One year ago on Resolve 18, I told them we need a Ruler AKA Guides on a professional software like this.

For title animation to motion graphics, as you know, guides are necessary as well as film—like in After Effects.

It’s just a simple thing to add. They can recode the whole keyframe section, removing an essential feature,
but not design a guide or ruler—which is being requested by the users, for the users.

Posted: **Wed May 28, 2025 12:25 pm**

Feel free to throw your toys out of the pram, I'm sure it will help. This isn't the first nor will it be the last time that BMD make a change that doesn't sit well with every single user. In this case, albeit not guaranteed, its not unlikely that a future version (maybe 20.1 or 20.2) could reintroduce the aspect of inline keyframing that you've come to enjoy and rely on... in the meantime, perhaps a little patience is in order? Presumably you realise that no one is forcing you to update immediately, just because a new version was released.

Posted: **Wed May 28, 2025 12:29 pm**

DarkSector wrote:Already have this post on the beta feedback:
viewtopic.php?f=40&t=220215

69 posts and 4000+ views.

What can I do, you say? They will not listen at all.
One year ago on Resolve 18, I told them we need a Ruler AKA Guides on a professional software like this.

For title animation to motion graphics, as you know, guides are necessary as well as film—like in After Effects.

It’s just a simple thing to add. They can recode the whole keyframe section, removing an essential feature,
but not design a guide or ruler—which is being requested by the users, for the users.

Not one Blackmagic Resolve staff member responded to it, which means they didn't see it.

That whole thread is complaining about them removing a feature instead of them fixing the problem. The problem is the new Keyframe Panel can't show multiple clips. Which is an easy fix for them.

Posted: **Wed May 28, 2025 12:30 pm**

This has been raised by many during beta testing without any feedback from BMD. As a beta tester, it’s all one can do. Raise an issue and hope someone listens.

Posted: **Wed May 28, 2025 12:32 pm**

Steve Alexander wrote:This has been raised by many during beta testing without any feedback from BMD. As a beta tester, it’s all one can do. Raise an issue and hope someone listens.

Right at this point, the whole fuss is about them not responding to a problem instead of the actual problem.

Posted: **Wed May 28, 2025 1:20 pm**

@ShaheedMalik Sorry to say, but many members in that discussion have suggested how it can be fixed and also provided ideas for improvement — if you actually take a closer look.

It’s just not possible that with that many discussions, images, and even many senior members participating — and with over 4000+ views — no one from BMD has looked at it. It just doesn’t seem possible.

Posted: **Wed May 28, 2025 2:12 pm**

DarkSector wrote:They will not listen to us, it’s their choice. After countless messages and views and giving them every feedback possible, I think we have lost.

After using Resolve and their equipment for more than 7+ years, finally, I think I have to switch forcefully by BMD. It’s a shame for me, but I have to move on.|

I'm right there with you!

I used Vegas Pro prior to Resolve and I've really missed editing in Vegas. Vegas 22 looks like it has made more gains on the areas I care about while Resolve hasn't budged an inch. Compositing in Vegas is non-existent, but a few days ago I downloaded the free version of Autograph by Left Angle for compositing/motion graphics and this might just be what I need. They have an OpenFX Live Link that works with hosts supporting OpenFX (I couldn't get it to work in Resolve though). I also joined their forum and they are exceptionally good about responding to feature requests, they ask clarifying questions and then respond again when they've been implemented. I've made one small feature request so far and I got a response very quickly letting me know they had already implemented this for the next version. Wow! It feels like night and day compared to Blackmagic who says absolutely nothing... ever!

I can only speak for myself, but I've put a lot of effort into my feature requests, thinking through how to best implement them in order to accommodate the most people, how to make them optional if others don't want to use my request, creating graphics (despite being a terrible artist :lol:

), etc. and I've never had even a single response from Blackmagic on any of it. No clarifying questions, no discussion... just nothing. I feel like I'd much rather put this effort into a company that actually cares about implementing feature requests from their users.

I really wanted to like Resolve, and there are some aspects of it that I do like about it, but they are implemented so poorly that it's still not a good experience using them. I no longer feel it's worth it. Blackmagic has made it perfectly clear that they are not willing to budge an inch. It's their way or the highway... so fine, the highway it is!

Posted: **Wed May 28, 2025 2:40 pm**

ShaheedMalik wrote:Not one Blackmagic Resolve staff member responded to it, which means they didn't see it.

That is not true. Blackmagic not responding doesn't mean they didn't see it, they hardly ever respond to anything. I'll give a clear example that I know they saw...

Here is one of my threads where I reported a bug with the mask input of the Merge node in Fusion:

Fusion Mask Bypass Bug
viewtopic.php?f=21&t=218773

I know Blackmagic saw it, because they edited my thread title to remove the word "BUG:"

My original title was like this:
"BUG: Fusion Mask Bypass"

Then Blackmagic edited it to be:
"Fusion Mask Bypass"

You can see that in the heading of some of the responses, like mine here that says:
"Re: Fusion Mask Bypass"
viewtopic.php?f=21&t=218773#p1143241

Blackmagic saw my bug report but chose to edit my title instead of actually addressing the bug itself. When I noticed that they edited my title, I edited my comment again to put bug back in, because it was a bug. Blackmagic even edited my title after two other people confirmed that it was a bug with screenshots showing how it used to work correctly in v18. But Blackmagic never bothered to respond to confirm the bug I reported, never gave any assurance that they'll work on it to fix it, and as of the official V20 release it still has not been fixed. I also reported that same but back in V19, but once again zero response from Blackmagic:

Fusion Mask Bypass Bug v19
viewtopic.php?f=21&t=209854

If Blackmagic wants to know why they are at risk of losing users in mass, this is why. Keep deliberately ignoring us like this long enough and we'll leave.

Posted: **Wed May 28, 2025 3:15 pm**

While I sympathise with the disappointment and frustration, I think you are badly mis-judging your influence and relevance.

There are literally millions of users.

No matter how passionate or well thought out the the arguments, it is in the end, as you say....THEIR CHOICE. And it has to be that way.

"If the mountain will not come to Muhammad, then Muhammad must go to the mountain"

Posted: **Wed May 28, 2025 3:49 pm**

Blackmagic saw my bug report but chose to edit my title instead of actually addressing the bug itself. When I noticed that they edited my title, I edited my comment again to put bug back in, because it was a bug. Blackmagic even edited my title after two other people confirmed that it was a bug with screenshots showing how it used to work correctly in v18. But Blackmagic never bothered to respond to confirm the bug I reported, never gave any assurance that they'll work on it to fix it, and as of the official V20 release it still has not been fixed. I also reported that same but back in V19, but once again zero response from Blackmagic:

This Is Exactly What Happened To My Topic About UI Bugs In Davinci Resolve 20 (In My Signature). They Moved My Reported Bugs To (Feature Requests) Section. I'm Very Disappointed From Their Level Of Support Towards Their Loyal Customers (Since Editing My First Video Using Resolve v16), I Can't Tolerate Their Behavior of Ignorance Anymore.

I'm Out ...!

Posted: **Wed May 28, 2025 4:29 pm**

CASIO4EVER wrote:This Is Exactly What Happened To My Topic About UI Bugs In Davinci Resolve 20 (In My Signature). They Moved My Reported Bugs To (Feature Requests) Section. I'm Very Disappointed From Their Level Of Support Towards Their Loyal Customers (Since Editing My First Video Using Resolve v16), I Can't Tolerate Their Behavior of Ignorance Anymore.

I'm Out ...!

Honestly, I can see why your thread was considered feature requests though... and at least you got a reply from Blackmagic.

Mine was certainly a bug. It was even something that used to work correctly in previous versions and was broken in v19. This was confirmed by two other users with v18 installed that posted screen shots proving it used to work correctly. But Blackmagic still removed the word bug from my title. Much easier to sweep bugs under the rug than fix them I guess. :roll:

And it's not like my bug was even a difficult one to fix. They have functioning code from V18 (and prior) to examine to find out what changed and fix it. The free Notepad++ even has a "compare" feature to compare two documents and highlight what is different. So I have no idea why they refused to address it.

Posted: **Wed May 28, 2025 4:45 pm**

kinvermark wrote:While I sympathise with the disappointment and frustration, I think you are badly mis-judging your influence and relevance.

Bingo.

Posted: **Wed May 28, 2025 5:37 pm**

Based on the release of 19, I wouldn't recommend this version until the 20.1.2 fix. Maybe they'll reinitiate the keyframing.

While I respect Andy's position there is the analogy of actually listening to the professional racer when it comes to tweaking how the car handles. You don't take away the shifter and then blame the driver for wondering what happened to it.

Posted: **Wed May 28, 2025 5:50 pm**

Yup. They have the power over Resolve. We the users have the power over what we use and recommend. Perhaps BMD thinks most of their users don’t care about the things many of us post here. But I think they’re mistaken.

Many companies make this mistake. That they know better than the preponderance of their users. Once they find out they’re wrong it’s usually too late.

Posted: **Wed May 28, 2025 6:37 pm**

From my experience, you are pretty much still a beta tester for the first few releases of Resolve. I didn't update from 18 until (I believe) 19.13 was out. Because you cannot have more than one version of Resolve installed at a time, the beta testing will probably always be minimal.

Posted: **Wed May 28, 2025 6:50 pm**

Well, I’ve been working with Resolve for many releases and the beta cycles always span many months so this quick beta cycle for version 20 is a departure.

Posted: **Wed May 28, 2025 7:28 pm**

Tekkerue wrote:Honestly, I can see why your thread was considered feature requests though....

I've requested Only The Addition of Automatic Proxy Generation When Using Davinci Resolve With Local Storage On Offline Production Environment. This Is The Only Feature Request In My Long Topic.

The 19 Reported Problems Are Definitely Bugs In Davinci Resolve's UI. Because Microsoft Offers 5 Fixed Levels of DPI Customization (100 - 125 - 150 - 175 - 200), How Come Davinci Offers 3 Fixed Levels of UI Scaling (100 - 150 - 200) ? Is This A Design Flaw In QT Framework Or What ?.

Also, All Main Panels Are Resizable Inside [Fusion] Page (Keyframes - Effects - Inspector), Surprisingly, You Can't Resize The Same Panels When You Are Inside [Edit] Page ? Is This Normal ?

I Already Offered Suggestions & Fixes, After 3 Weeks, They Choose To Ignore My Suggestions And They Decided To Fix The Problems Of AI Features In Public Beta 4 !

I Don't Think Copying Code From The Working Module To The Buggy One Is Very Hard On BMD's Behalf. But Like OP Said "They Choose Not To Listen" !

Posted: **Wed May 28, 2025 7:49 pm**

I'm having trouble working this out.

If Resolve 20 removes a function you find essential then what's wrong with staying on Resolve 19?

I stayed on Resolve 15 for many years and only upgraded once version 19 addressed the issues I was experiencing. Just because a new version is released does not mean you are obliged to upgrade -- the old versions continue to work just fine.

Perhaps the only caveat to this is if you've spent money on a 5000 series NVIDIA GPU which may require version 20 to get full support of that GPU.

The great thing is that the choice is yours and there is no *perfect* software so simply evaluate your needs against the offerings and choose accordingly.

Problem solved.

Posted: **Wed May 28, 2025 8:26 pm**

CASIO4EVER wrote:
Tekkerue wrote:Honestly, I can see why your thread was considered feature requests though....

I've requested Only The Addition of Automatic Proxy Generation When Using Davinci Resolve With Local Storage On Offline Production Environment. This Is The Only Feature Request In My Long Topic.

I would still consider more scaling options as a feature request. I definitely agree with you that they should add more options, but I would call it a request myself.

In my thread, bypassing the mask did the opposite of bypassing, it was fully on instead of fully off. That's like turning a light switch off but the light comes on instead. That is without a doubt a bug.

I Don't Think Copying Code From The Working Module To The Buggy One Is Very Hard On BMD's Behalf. But Like OP Said "They Choose Not To Listen" !

I agree.

Posted: **Wed May 28, 2025 9:05 pm**

Man, if I had a dollar for every time one of these little hissy fits blew up, I'd be rich... rich, I tell you!

Sadly, I don't, but at least I have a great view of all the peasants from up here on my high horse. :lol:

Posted: **Wed May 28, 2025 9:06 pm**

I feel your pain. I agree that they should have at least a legacy option for keyframes. Also I cannot get over that in any format other than 16:9 we cannot get rid of seeing the media pool or effects. I surely hope they fix that in the future as well. Makes no sense. Not too mention if you have a lot of clips it forces a 7 row view of your clips and you cannot move the viewer past the middle of the application. SO now we have to view social network formatted timelines to the far right of our screens.
Why do they make us either have the media pool open or the effects panel in formats other than 16:9 ?

Posted: **Wed May 28, 2025 9:20 pm**

Tekkerue wrote:I would still consider more scaling options as a feature request. I definitely agree with you that they should add more options, but I would call it a request myself.

Well, It Depends, It Can Be Considered As A Feature Request If You Don't Use It Frequently. But, If You Can't Use Your Favorite Video Editor @ UI Scale = 100% (Because of Smaller Fonts), Or @ UI Scale = 150% (Because of Bigger Panels). Hence, You Can't Consider Complaining From The Absence Of Comfortable UI Scales, As A Feature Request.

Even If I've Asked BMD To Add 2 Features To Their Product, Do You Think Complaining -From 18 UI Bugs- In Davinci Resolve 20, Renders Them Invisible To The Company ? Sounds Insane, Right ?

Posted: **Wed May 28, 2025 9:22 pm**

Andy Mees wrote:Man, if I had a dollar for every time one of these little hissy fits blew up, I'd be rich... rich, I tell you!

Sadly, I don't, but at least I have a great view of all the peasants from up here on my high horse.

Posted: **Wed May 28, 2025 9:49 pm**

CASIO4EVER wrote:Well, It Depends, It Can Be Considered As A Feature Request If You Don't Use It Frequently.

I think it's semantics, but a bug is an unexpected problem or a error. Resolve's lack of UI flexibility seems to be a deliberate, consistent and expected decision by Blackmagic. And again, I certainly do not agree with their decisions to not provide more flexible UI options.

Posted: **Wed May 28, 2025 11:08 pm**

It's odd they ignored that thread and all the threads like that.

Why ignoring their community? It would take just a hint of acknowledgement to transform users into raving fans.

DR has been having great success the last few years but wind can turn even faster.

Posted: **Wed May 28, 2025 11:15 pm**

Mario69Rossi wrote:DR has been having great success the last few years

Only If :
1. You're Buying A Product From BMD That Requires Installing DR To Get The Most of It
2. You Have A 4K Monitor

Posted: **Wed May 28, 2025 11:57 pm**

Well , my thoughts, having been here from Resolve v10/ Fusion V7, is that they do listen , they may not respond directly, but they do seem to read all of this stuff in the forum... However, just like a ocean liner changing course , sometimes fixes/improvements take more time than you would expect...
My experience is that most of the Bugs I have reported have eventually been fixed or addressed (but sometimes it has taken multiple point releases).
My recommendation is if you report Bugs/Issues, be as specific and detailed as possible - with Images/GIFs, example nodes and attached files. Generalized moaning about something always crashing doesn't help without details and specifics.
Also, please put your computer specs in your signature so the people troubleshooting can isolate whether it is a machine, memory, graphic card or driver issue.
A majority of the major feature requests I have made have been eventually been actioned (this has taken longer - more like multiple full releases). When I did make a feature request I always made sure to put plenty of specific details and examples about why something should be added or modified.
However I have a pretty narrow focus, which is mainly using Fusion Studio for professional Visual Effects for Film and Streaming projects.
The way my studio approaches updates , is usually quite cautiously, so unless there is a needed new feature or important bug fix , we generally stick with previous versions until a good 2 or 3 point releases have ironed out most of the issues.
If the version you have works the way you like it to work , then stick with it until an updated version that has everything you need has been released.

Maybe it is my personality but I would never consider returning to the corporation controlled software competitors that I used to use. I like Grant Petty, his philosophy related to business and his approach to software availability and pricing.
If you really want things to change exactly the way you want them to, then maybe seek out an open source project (run like the 3D program Blender) and throw your money , time and suggestions at them rather than flushing your money down some huge corporation's hungry maw... Open Source software can be coded (by you or some scary AI helper) to do whatever you want , in whatever way you want it.
It just may take time... and by then, maybe Resolve 20.5 will have been released... and maybe that might solve all our problems...

Posted: **Thu May 29, 2025 3:19 am**

DarkSector wrote:They will not listen to us, it’s their choice. After countless messages and views and giving them every feedback possible, I think we have lost.
After using Resolve and their equipment for more than 7+ years, finally, I think I have to switch forcefully by BMD. It’s a shame for me, but I have to move on.
Now Resolve wants us to do keyframing for just one clip. Then what was the need for this fancy new keyframing panel?
Thanks, guys, it's been a pleasure.

Been using Resolve since Ver 8.

I REALLY like the new key framing panel. I'm 10000% thrilled key framing is gone from the TL for several reasons. The biggest being always hitting the icons and popping clips open especially when trimming near clip ends, to only have to close them up. I"m pretty sure I filed this as a bug at least once. That was such a time waster dozens of times, all day long. Even if you did intentionally open the key framing on a clip it wasn't the most useful because it was also tedious to adjust there. There is NO WAY I would want the old way back, ever.

I can assure you the devs and QA folks do see and read what's posted here. While they rarely post here, I've had quite a few private msgs with them on specific problems supplying additional things to help them fix whatever the issue was. Also there are a few BMD folks who post here, but you have to know they are BMD as it's not in their profiles or sigs. The more you know...

So you are free to use R19 as long as it works on your OS + hardware. Thats ALL Good. Your "I'm leaving" tantrum though is pretty uncool and unproductive. No idea which NLE you want to move to, but if you have issues with Resolve which is the best NLE / color / compositor / mixing all in one app, wait until you try a couple of the other popular choices. We'll keep the light on for you

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Posted: **Thu May 29, 2025 4:52 am**

Respected Sirs,

If any of you have a connection to BMD, please try to reach out and pass this message along to them. I’m just posting again for reference — in case someone from the team sees it.

As I mentioned before, the multilayer keyframing feature is gone — meaning the entire functionality has been removed in version 20.

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Also, one year ago, during the Resolve 18 cycle, I had requested a Ruler/Guides feature — something that any professional software should have.

For title animations to motion graphics, as many of you know, guides are essential — especially in film work, just like in After Effects.

I'm sure 100% of users would agree with me, and they would welcome this feature with open arms.

Posted: **Thu May 29, 2025 5:57 am**

Steve Alexander wrote:Well, I’ve been working with Resolve for many releases and the beta cycles always span many months so this quick beta cycle for version 20 is a departure.

Beta4(revision1) magically became Release Candidate(after the fact) and then release version 20 with some paint and polish - but it's still a beta. Strategic business motives most likely behind this. I was expecting the AI set extender to be one of the final beta's before Release Candidate, but that never happened because we're not that far into the beta testing.

Doing it this way will generate many more complaints about bugs and features that aren't fully evolved from people who don't want to deal with such things.

As far as bug reports from those people that feel unheard Adobe have an 'Acknowledged' flair when the reported bug is proven.

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Posted: **Thu May 29, 2025 7:30 am**

DarkSector wrote:Also, one year ago, during the Resolve 18 cycle, I had requested a Ruler/Guides feature — something that any professional software should have.

The workaround I use is the GRID plug-in on the color page (and as an RX Generator on the Edit page). Also on the Edit page, you have all the Safe Action/Title grids available in the Viewer:

Granted, it's not as useful as an infinitely-adjustable grid line guide for graphics with user presets. That's been a frequent Feature Request over the last few years.

Posted: **Thu May 29, 2025 7:37 am**

@Marc Wielage,
Respected Sir, you've been in this forum for ages now and have seen all the highs and lows of this product.

As you said — the Guides feature has been a frequent request for years, yet it still hasn’t been implemented. Every time we work on reframing, Fusion, motion graphics — even with the introduction of the USD system (and not EXR, which is a more advanced and widely used pipeline) — they focus on features used by the top 15% of users in cinema and high-end music videos.

Meanwhile, professionals working with hundreds of assets still struggle with basic layout and alignment because simple Guides have never been implemented. It’s just baffling.

Resolve isn’t only used by YouTubers. With a basic Guide feature, many small alignment issues can be fixed easily. But in a professional environment — especially in motion graphics, USD, EXR, or deep compositing workflows — the lack of guides leads to major inefficiencies.

It feels like we’re asked to swallow a spoonful of salt and smile — just because a fundamental request remains ignored year after year.

Posted: **Thu May 29, 2025 1:56 pm**

Mario69Rossi wrote:It's odd they ignored that thread and all the threads like that.

Why ignoring their community? It would take just a hint of acknowledgement to transform users into raving fans.

1,000,000,000%! A little communication goes a long way.

For example, I've asked multiple times now if Blackmagic is working on making the new keyframe/spline editors be compatible with Fusion effects. But I have received no response. Here is one example...

Will Edit Page Keyframe/Spline Editors Work with Fusion FX?:
viewtopic.php?f=21&t=221835

Their complete silence is extremely frustrating. I use Fusion effects and macros almost exclusively (including Reactor effects, third party Fusion macros, and I had started making macros myself) and keyframing these effects on the Edit page has been a massive sore spot for me.

Since Blackmagic won't respond to this issue here on the forum, I've been commenting about this problem on Resolve youtube channels to see if they will bring attention to it. MrAlexTech is the first one to make a video about it, and hopefully more will follow now.

He has a section called "That Fusion Issue" at 8:32:

I've also received replies from a couple other channels, one even said they weren't aware of this problem yet and that they'd dive deeper into it.

Since Blackmagic won't respond here on the forum, if this is what we have to do in order to get their attention then so be it. :roll:

A little communication goes a long way... so does a lack of it.

In between contacting Resolve channels about this problem, I'm exploring other editors. If Blackmagic can get their act together before I fully commit to a switch, I'd love to keep using Resolve (as I've said, there are some things I do like about Resolve and obviously the pricing is great)... but if not, then I'm gone too. We'll see...

Posted: **Sun Jun 01, 2025 7:42 am**

Please, please BMD, if you are seeing this thread, please…

Give us back the old Re-time Curve option. It allowed us to use re-time and multi-layer key-framing under the clip.
At least give us the option!
10,000 creators are affected.
If you check the Resolve Discord groups, and talk to creators and filmmakers, you’ll see how much this is needed.

Also, there are tons and tons of bugs in version 20, even after the stable release.
I think this has been the most rushed and buggiest release of all releases.

Posted: **Sun Jun 01, 2025 4:32 pm**

Dany Dabra wrote:I think this has been the most rushed and buggiest release of all releases.

I wonder why the rush, it's clearly half baked to be generous.

Posted: **Sun Jun 01, 2025 8:22 pm**

The thing about have options, is that you can exercise them. However, Adobe will cost you what, $500 a year. Vegas is a very small group of folks under the Magix umbrella, who know how long it will continue and it's really suited to smaller or one-man shops, And, of course if you've got the money and equipment, you can also go Avid. Blackmagic in reality gives the program away (and maybe they will even charge "a small" amount for future upgrades) at the current single purchase model. It always looks greener, but when you consider the cost of changing systems, especially if you're a business, it is often very substantial. If I was this upset, I would find a direct line to the business and call. Todays business are under substantial pressure and work-a-rounds are often better than hostility under the issue is addressed, one way or the other IMHO.

Posted: **Sun Jun 01, 2025 8:26 pm**

Dany Dabra wrote:Please, please BMD, if you are seeing this thread, please…

It's becoming clear that we are wasting our energy begging and pleading to Blackmagic to make simple changes... they have shown time and time again that they are not listening to our concerns. It seriously wouldn't take much effort on their part to calm our frustrations, but they refuse to do it and that makes no sense.

Posted: **Sun Jun 01, 2025 8:50 pm**

I have talked to BMD at a pretty high level and, while they were very cordial, the message was clearly that they know what they’re doing and that’s all they’ll say.

Posted: **Sun Jun 01, 2025 8:59 pm**

WildlifeVideo wrote:The thing about have options, is that you can exercise them.

Yep, that's what I'm currently doing. I used Vegas before coming to Resolve and I severely miss editing in Vegas, so I have no worries at all about that aspect of leaving Resolve. The one and only thing I don't like about leaving Resolve is losing Fusion. Fusion is what I have spent 99.9999% of my time learning since moving to Resolve. Compositing was non-existent in Vegas so learning Fusion was something new and enjoyable for me. On its own Fusion is pretty great (certainly not perfect, but it is by far my favorite part about Resolve), but Fusion is so implemented with the rest of Resolve with essentially zero communicate between Fusion and the Edit page, so as the novelty of Fusion wore off it only became more frustrating dealing with it. I use Fusion effects almost exclusively (including Reactor effects, Fusion macros, etc) and trying to keyframe effects on the Edit page has been a nightmare. The new editors COULD have solved this problem... but in standard Blackmagic fashion, they chose to implement them half-assed and rush them out before they were finished. I was already concerned this was going to happen but the rushed official release of V20 only confirms my fears.

Autograph is looking like a great alternative to Fusion and this is what I'm currently testing out. If this can replace Fusion for me, then I'm good to go.

The sad thing is that I get the feeling Fusion and Autograph could compliment each other very well. After a few days of testing Autograph, they seem to have different strengths that would work well together. However, Blackmagic refuses to make Fusion actually function well on the Edit page so it just doesn't seem worth it to continuing fighting with Resolve anymore.

Posted: **Sun Jun 01, 2025 9:09 pm**

Joe Shapiro wrote:I have talked to BMD at a pretty high level and, while they were very cordial, the message was clearly that they know what they’re doing and that’s all they’ll say.

Wow, it's even worse than I thought...

Posted: **Sun Jun 01, 2025 11:32 pm**

Tekkerue wrote: Compositing was non-existent in Vegas

Posted: **Sun Jun 01, 2025 11:58 pm**

Tekkerue wrote:Autograph is looking like a great alternative to Fusion and this is what I'm currently testing out. If this can replace Fusion for me, then I'm good to go.

What's wrong with the stand-alone version of Fusion -- then you can use whatever editing/grading software you like.

Posted: **Mon Jun 02, 2025 12:57 am**

Once Sean and Joe have a chance to test out Vegas Pro, it would be interesting to hear what their experiences are like. I predict it won't go well.

I dusted off my old copy of Vegas Pro 19 - just for kicks, I am quite happy with Resolve - and played around for a half hour using some personal Panasonic GH6 UHD 60p footage. Performance is so poor, I can barely edit the footage as is. So I turned on Vegas' ancient proxy system, and enjoyed the pixellated 720p imagery. Vegas doesn't have a traditional source/record monitor option, but it does have a cool "trimmer" window that can hover scrub. Sadly, that doesn't work with the proxy system so no hover scrubbing my footage... or any thumbnails...which take an ice age to generate. I could go on, but why bother. The best thing recently about Vegas was the Vegasaur third party plug-in, but that's now dead. Wish the developer would make something similar for Resolve.

I think the "Vegas Effects" program was a actually Hitfilm Pro in disguise. FXhome was bought by Artlist, who recently canned it - so that's another dead end.

Magix went bust last year, but was recently purchased by a venture capital group out of Luxembourg. So Vegas may get a "new lease on life"....if you are VERY patient.

I will stick with Resolve thanks. It can scrub my footage like lightning... along with doing many, many other great things.

Posted: **Mon Jun 02, 2025 4:31 am**

I left Vegas after Magix bought it and it turned into nagware (Update now for $49.95 every time I fired it up).

Best move I ever made was kicking Vegas to the curb and buying Resolve Studio.

Posted: **Mon Jun 02, 2025 5:05 am**

CASIO4EVER, Vegas Effects is apparently a stripped down version of Hitfilm. I never used it though, but it didn't seem like people where all that impressed with it. lol

RCModelReviews wrote:What's wrong with the stand-alone version of Fusion -- then you can use whatever editing/grading software you like.

I can't really use Fusion as a standalone, I use Fusion for effects that need to be timed it in the context of the edit and to music. I've come up with a hacky method to kind of be able to do this by using AnimCurves on Adjustment Clips which automatically adjust the effects as I extend the length of the Adjustment Clip. But this method is very tedious to make changes, it has limitations and it causes other problems that I have come up with more hacky solutions for. Keyframing effects on the Edit page has been a very frustrating experience for me and I was hoping this would be solved with the new keyframe editors... but Blackmagic chose not to finish them, including not having them work at all with Fusion effects which makes them essentially useless to me.

Autograph is also a separate application, but it has an OpenFX plugin and a Live Link feature which can "expose controls" so that they show up in the OpenFX plugin. These parameters can then be adjusted and even automated in another editor.

This video demonstrates the Live Link function in Resolve at 3:55.

That is exactly what I have requested for in Fusion multiple times. My request has been for a right-click -> "Publish To Edit Page" option to quickly and easily put Fusion controls on the Edit page without having to go through the tedious macro export/import process (which I've done and it sucks). But currently none of this matters anyways because the new keyframe editors don't work with Fusion effects or macros.

kinvermark wrote:Once Sean and Joe have a chance to test out Vegas Pro, it would be interesting to hear what their experiences are like. I predict it won't go well.

I came to Resolve from Vegas Pro, so I can already tell you that I've hated editing in Resolve and I haven't been shy about that in my 3 1/2 years posting here.

In fact, many of my top feature requests for Resolve have been things that Vegas already does. Here is a small sample...

- Don't delete clips when they overlap: my requests was for "Layered Video Editing" since this is the terminology Resolve uses for audio.
viewtopic.php?f=33&t=176919

- Don't delete transitions when moving a clip even one frame: my request has been for an auto-crossfade mode to automatically add crossfade/crossdissolve transition on clips on overlap and to adjust the size of the transition when when clips are moved instead of simply deleting the transitions. Resolve "kind of" does auto-crossfade when using Shift+Alt+drag to drag a clip on top of another clip, but once you let go you can't get this behavior back.
viewtopic.php?f=33&t=179234&p=1007774#p939535

- Show the correct clip in the video viewer when adjusting the edge of a transition.
viewtopic.php?f=21&t=156348&p=829774

- Having more curve options for fade in/out and crossfades (images I used are from my DAW Reaper, but I also mention Vegas having more curve options as well)
viewtopic.php?f=33&t=189080&p=984330#p984330

- Simple track selection:
viewtopic.php?f=21&t=221063&p=1146268#p1146232

- Folder Tracks:
viewtopic.php?f=33&t=194709&p=1011799#p1011799

I certainly haven't mentioned all of my problems with Resolve, but here is another one I haven't mentioned before... show the waveforms for both audio clips in crossfades. Resolve "kind of" does this in Fairlight but only when dragging one of the clips, once you let go this view goes away. This is one of many reasons why I use Reaper for music editing first and then export to Resolve.

So yeah, I have not been happy with editing in Resolve having used other editors like Vegas and Reaper/Samplitude. I've said it many times before that the Edit page in Resolve is one of the worst editors I've used. I've tried very hard to get some of these basic changes made with detailed explanations of the problems and potential solutions, but as the OP said, "they will not listen to us".

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