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There are 3 features in it I could use desperately right now and I'm torn between continuing to try and hammer this out in 11 or wait for 12.

Can you give us an ETA?

Danke.

Very soon apparently:
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Cool, so...give me hint. Should I be checking hourly, daily or weekly?

Check July 31, 2015. A rep at the NYC event said, it's released next week, so will be there on or before next Friday.


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Final version or Beta 1 ?

atopos wrote:Final version or Beta 1 ?

I'm pretty sure it's the "official" version, and I'm also pretty sure that BMD said that the new version can co-exist alongside 11.

As for everything else, I would thread lightly for the first couple of months. No amount of beta testing can prepare a developer for wide-release to the public. Bugs and all sorts of other issues will likely come up within the first few weeks. I would expect BMD to have a couple of updates in the couple of months after launch.

Kays Alatrakchi wrote:

atopos wrote:Final version or Beta 1 ?

As for everything else, I would thread lightly for the first couple of months. No amount of beta testing can prepare a developer for wide-release to the public. Bugs and all sorts of other issues will likely come up within the first few weeks. I would expect BMD to have a couple of updates in the couple of months after launch.

Dude. What are you talking about? Resolve has never had any bugs or issues. Maybe if you tried actually reading the manual?

Seriously though, the 31st seems like a hundred years away. We'll have flying cars by then and Trump will be just leaving office. Can we have it sooner?

Cliff Secord wrote:Seriously though, the 31st seems like a hundred years away. We'll have flying cars by then and Trump will be just leaving office. Can we have it sooner?

Just did a spit-take all over my monitoe!

I was at the BMD event in NYC today and the running joke on 12 was "any day now." I mean it could be any day now, but anytime anyone from BMD said it they laughed.

Must say I have not been as excited for a new software release since Avid 4k. I'm really keen to see all the hard work they put into this release. I'll be happy if it's a great Online, but those new smart bins makes me dream of replacing avid!

Hopefully really time r3d's, or some option so we can edit properly. Maybe the new 12g 4k Studio?

Real name: Michael Dalton-Smith (I know)

Marc Wielage wrote:

Cliff Secord wrote:Seriously though, the 31st seems like a hundred years away. We'll have flying cars by then and Trump will be just leaving office. Can we have it sooner?

Just did a spit-take all over my monitoe!

Mark Hanlen wrote:I was at the BMD event in NYC today and the running joke on 12 was "any day now." I mean it could be any day now, but anytime anyone from BMD said it they laughed.

Lol. Do you recall what the 'previously unreleased' features were?

How about you guys send me a link and I'll give it an 8 day Beta test? I promise not to tell anybody.

I'm CC'ing my last big project for a bit and I'll be done in a week. After that, it could be another year before I need Resolve again. Hate to miss out on 12….

atopos wrote:Final version or Beta 1 ?

Apparently it's the beta for Resolve 12 next week.

Here's an update from Richard Dee posted on the Creative Cow Resolve forum edited for brevity:
"I spent the entire day at the New Yorker hotel to get a better idea of what Resolve 12 has to offer.

I was mightily impressed with all the new features, but especially the new Color science that applies a base grade for log (and other) footage that doesn't use the a LUT and the clipping that can accompany it.

Alexis van Hurkman gave two fantastic demos, one geared for the new editing feature and one for the new color features. I intend to buy his ripple training series when released (and I recommend his color training handbook).

BMD has hit it out of the park. After the demise of FCP7 I was directionless as to what platform to go to, and I now can say that Resolve 12 is my platform of choice and while there may be some growing pains and along the way, I feel as if no other platform offers this level of tools from ingest to output.

I must admit I was a little unsure of BMD's business model at first when Resolve became free shortly after I just purchased it, but after seeing their Committment and capabilities with both hardware and software, I look forward to making resolve my platform of choice and thier cameras as my first choice as well."

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What is missing from 11 that makes it impossible to complete your project?

Paul Provost wrote:What is missing from 11 that makes it impossible to complete your project?

Nothing but a few things could potentially make the job faster and more accurate like shot match and ripple grade. I'll be fine without it. Just sucks to be this close and not at least get to try it.

As a person who does not use resolve let me try and summarize what I remember...

Easy re-linking of media to timelines... If you have a ton of red exclamation marks... You can with a few clicks tell it a basic directory or directories where you think your media is and boom it finds it... Red marks go away.

This super cool feature you can use in talking head shots where you want to cut out words here and there and resolve does an edit that covers the jump cut... Sort of like a seamless morph that completely covers an edit point... It was truly amazing... Works well when there isn't a lot of motion.

A clip normalize feature.. You can take 6 clips or whatever and match it to the gamma and basic color of a clip of your choice. A big time saver when you have to match shots all over the place. It's not designed to do any major irreversible tweaks to shots and it's not designed to clip... They sold it as a fast starting point and a good place to build some fast grades upon.

Something that easily cleans up "nodes" all the boxes with lines in a grade. Organizes all those lines so it's easy to see what goes where.

A way to make compound nodes easily.

Many organizational tools so if you label clips with key words you bring up all those shots quickly... Like say close ups of Ice Cube... It's a bin organization tool that uses clip data you enter to find stuff easily.

Traveling 3D mattes for isolating color... Good for changing colors of something within a moving shot... Just a few clicks to define your masks. Then it analyzes it in 3D.... It's an advanced color rotoscoping feature. Looks super easy.

You can also grade a key... Separate of the elements that make up a composite.

A way to match color space/ gamma profiles from different cameras and get them all matched to one camera. Say you have a BMCC BMPCC and an URSA... You want them to all have an URSA profile... Tell resolve what color space each h camera has... Then set the output in a dialog box... Boom all matched and ready to grade.

Better skin tone isolation for moving shots. They did a demo of a scene where there was a lady walking through a room with wood and they were able to reject the wood through a few easy steps.

That's all I can think of for now. The program looks pretty awesome. Forgive my lack of technical speak I some areas. By the way.. It was asked what machine was running this. They said a top of the like Mac Pro. Everything was fairly quick and responsive. Reminded me of editing 1080p .

Any news about a potential
Resolve - Intel Graphic Chipset
cooperation... ?

Looks like Resolve 12 is what FCP 8 should have been, except Apple decided to skip a few numbers. Could it because 7 8 9 by any chance? Corny joke I know. Could not resist.

I am looking forward to getting my paws on the new version, please be next week! Just went to see what the new features, very impressive list so kudos to the tem is in order. As a owner of a Blackmagic Cinema Camera and a Bolex H16, I am looking to perhaps migrating over to Resolve from FCP X, though there are a couple of nice features there. Would be nice to see if Fusion could publish out custom titles, generators, transitions and effects. Probably the one advantage FCP X and Motion has.

Of course the keyframing and trimming tools in Resolve just insane, in a very good way. Really impressed how it has progressed.

One question, is it possible to color correct raw photos in Fusion by any chance? Just curious is all.

This ad from today's American Cinematographer still has July as release date.

Are you sure you want to jump ship to a beta in the middle of a project?

Mark Hanlen wrote:They did a demo of a scene where there was a lady walking through a room with wood and they were able to reject the wood through a few easy steps.

Which joke won't get me banned….

Scott Stacy wrote:Are you sure you want to jump ship to a beta in the middle of a project?

Wouldn't be the first time.

Cliff Secord wrote:

Mark Hanlen wrote:They did a demo of a scene where there was a lady walking through a room with wood and they were able to reject the wood through a few easy steps.

Which joke won't get me banned?

As someone who also has the sense of humor of a 15 year old- how did I miss that??

rick.lang wrote:Apparently it's the beta for Resolve 12 next week

We've been given the go-ahead to report positive experiences with the private beta, so I think the Public Beta cannot be far behind. The usual caveats apply -- backup your existing databases and projects, of course waddya mean you haven't been doing that as a matter of strict routine?

This cycle caught me at a bad time with family matters and a tight project schedule, but have been managing to try out the things that are at least important to my situation. What I do like is that some of the more fundamental operations work very nicely -- the 3D keyer offers a much better, more efficient method of pulling secondary qualifications without a ton of the edge busy-ness and tweaking that used to accompany the pixel picker. A few buttons have been moved around here and there which took a little bit of re-accustomization but that is just overcoming habits.

It appears that BMD will be delivering something very special that will have a lot of people re-evaluating their position on what constitutes a Non-Linear Editor at the very least. On this count, if I was going to inject a note of negative feedback directed elsewhere, it would be in regard to someone else's NLE which behaves in nightmarish ways that absolutely mystify me where their license/subscription plan is concerned, none of which are issues in Resolve.

jPo

yea , but when i work in MC it does not take 43 seconds to respond after asking it to move through the timeline....

timeline navagation in Resolve11 instantly disquaifies it for editing, it's beyond abysmaly bad, and into the land of a joke.... and not even a good joke....

so maybe that's better now? was not on the list of new things tho...

until they have timeline navagation, shuttle, jog and other basic functions sorted, who cares what color the lipstick is on that pig?

oh i know who cares, the fanboiz...

meanwhile i'll stay with tools that actualy work.... and editing in MC is one of them

and another "oh".... we all remember how badly the beta team dropped the ball on insanely bad surface mapping.... so yea, if that comment come from someone who thought the mapping on either elements-or- color was ready to ship.... yea, right.... let's go edit on a system that does not respond to the most basic user inputs.... while dissing one that works all day long.

Dermot Shane wrote:until they have timeline navagation, shuttle, jog and other basic functions sorted, who cares what color the lipstick is on that pig?

oh i know who cares, the fanboiz...

What was the point of that?

Kays Alatrakchi wrote:
What was the point of that?

must be from a diffrent reality that the one i live in.... hard to imageing anyone editing anything in Resolve as it stands... so wait and see what v12 has to offer...

meanwhile the same system that he's dissing actualy works and works well.... that he's mystfied by MC, well, ummmm guess that's a problem... if MC seems to difficualt , then Pablo, Mystika, DS and Smoke must be unimaginable....

I'm still using Final Cut 7. When that finally becomes untenable I'm going to sell all my equipment and quit. I'd rather invent a time machine, go back to 1968 and turn myself over to the Viet Cong wearing American flag pants than use Media Composer.

choice of toolz is good

knowing how to use several is good, then you can chose the best fit for the task at hand

i need to get show done, out the door, and through QC.. MC currently indexes a reel of DPX faster than Resolve for example, and has Baselight's excelent truelight system incorprated into it's timeline, giveing access to tools that just do not exist in Resolve, tools that get deliverable done without excuses full stop... there is no similar option in Resolve.

so yea, some tools are better suited for some tasks...

no sense dissing them just cause you can't wrap your head around a given tool functions...

the betatesters clearly droped the ball on small surface mapping... i mean really.. use Color with Baselight, or Elements with Nucoda.... ball are dropped all the time, it's not long until we all get to try out v12, and we'll see what balls were dropped, and how realistic the thought that Resolve could be an editor when editors give ti a whirl...

Public Beta should be available any day, since we finished the first betatesting cycle.
I have to say, I'm pretty impressed. Especially the editing part - it's a full blown NLE now, and playback performance is great now.
I have already edited 3 projects in 12, worked like a charm - probably not going back to Premiere.

and timeline interactivity?

is v12 better than v11?
did you find v11 acceptable?

Frank,
nice to hear more fast in playback?
about?

Dermot Shane wrote:is v12 better than v11?
did you find v11 acceptable?

Yes.

No.

Wasn't dissing MC... I rather like AVID, more now that I've been working on a dramatic series now in its fifth season. Interesting assumptions, though.

jPo

The update for #davinciresolve is coming ?!? .... screenshot from tingladostudio's photo https://instagram.com/p/5i9mnzJw7x/

Dermot Shane wrote:and timeline interactivity?

Pretty smooth and responsive now, a huge step from 11.

Is it also eating up less computer resources?

How it reacts for the Intel HD Graphics chipsets ?
Hang / crash ? Or just (very) poor operation ?

Any quicktime output for Windows users?

Any hints of Fusion integration ?

Frank Glencairn wrote:

Dermot Shane wrote:and timeline interactivity?

Pretty smooth and responsive now, a huge step from 11.

Are keyboard shortcuts specific to what page you're on (edit, color, etc) because now that there's editing, some of those keyboard shortcuts might interfere with what we are used to using on the color page.

JPOwens wrote:

Dermot Shane wrote:is v12 better than v11?
did you find v11 acceptable?

Yes.

No.

Wasn't dissing MC... I rather like AVID, more now that I've been working on a dramatic series now in its fifth season. Interesting assumptions, though.

jPo

thnx JP, good t hear that the basic flaws are addressed, intersting that it was ignored in any / all promo to date

i'm still feeling a lack of tools i need to cut comericals, was working on some for sportsnet/hockeynight yesterday and needed audio cutting music to a sample, and product re-placments in the compostor, and many optical retimes with boundry violations, and then the animated danceing text... all of these are impossible in Resolve11, and it seems none of them are addressed in 12 either...

it might be a resonable option for PP users, but for Flame, Mystika and DS artists it's a long way away from a tool that could be taken seriously

a better keyer is helpful for gradeing, and the tracker was pretty bad, ok that's being kind, it was fast but inaccurate resualts.. ok for a rough holdback for gradeing, far from accurate enough for product label replacements with a camera moveing in 3 dimensions and motion blur.. i tried to track a shot yesterday Resolve jsut to do a reality check, and yea the track was useless.. so a better tracker is a good thing for sure

so i guess the rampant fanboi-isim is eating away the credibality, not you, but some other beta testers have in the past said the tracker and keyer were great, editing was good... ouch.... or i guess clearly not what i experience given the demands i put on a edit system

but also thanks for the kind reply...

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Cliff Secord wrote:Nothing but a few things could potentially make the job faster and more accurate like shot match and ripple grade. I'll be fine without it. Just sucks to be this close and not at least get to try it.

They've had ripple grade for years with the big panels. Once they came out with Grouping, Pre-Clip, and Post-Clip, I ended any and all ripple grades. No need to do them anymore. If you can't reverse them -- particularly with nit-picky clients in a room -- rippling grades is very, very risky. Whenever we did it with daVinci 2K, I generally would have to make a copy of the session first and apply the ripple to the copy, because there were too many risks that you'd wind up wanting to undo... which didn't work at that time.

Shot Match is not that big a deal and has many limitations. Alexis in the manual makes it very clear this is no substitute for skill and good grading, and there are many cases where Shot Grade can be fooled -- just as where Color Match can fail if the chart is poorly lit.

There are some incredible, very useful features within v12 but all of them are refinements of what already exists: better keying, better tracking, and so on. The ability to change fixed shapes to Bezier PowerCurve windows is a massive change that will be extremely useful -- at least to me. Auto keyframing in Tracking will be helpful as well.

Cliff Secord wrote:I'm still using Final Cut 7. When that finally becomes untenable I'm going to sell all my equipment and quit. I'd rather invent a time machine, go back to 1968 and turn myself over to the Viet Cong wearing American flag pants than use Media Composer.

I overheard half a dozen editors at the LACPUG meeting 7-8 weeks ago saying that they were going to seriously consider using Resolve 12 as a replacement for FCP7. I don't see the feature set as being less than FCP was, and if anything, it adds another 500-600 features on top of it.

Dermot Shane wrote:

JPOwens wrote:

Dermot Shane wrote:is v12 better than v11?
did you find v11 acceptable?

Yes.

No.

Wasn't dissing MC... I rather like AVID, more now that I've been working on a dramatic series now in its fifth season. Interesting assumptions, though.

jPo

i'm still feeling a lack of tools i need to cut comericals, was working on some for sportsnet/hockeynight yesterday and needed audio cutting music to a sample, and product re-placments in the compostor, and many optical retimes with boundry violations, and then the animated danceing text... all of these are impossible in Resolve11, and it seems none of them are addressed in 12 either...


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Surely thats more Nuke Studio functionality? Just like product replacements and the lot?


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Marc Wielage wrote:

Cliff Secord wrote:Nothing but a few things could potentially make the job faster and more accurate like shot match and ripple grade. I'll be fine without it. Just sucks to be this close and not at least get to try it.

Shot Match is not that big a deal and has many limitations. Alexis in the manual makes it very clear this is no substitute for skill and good grading, and there are many cases where Shot Grade can be fooled -- just as where Color Match can fail if the chart is poorly lit.

I'm not expecting it to replace me, I just thought it might be helpful for that final 5-10% of nitpicking. If it's not good for that, then I'd use it for broad strokes and do the nitpicking myself. I'd be happy either way if it cut down on some of the time consuming tedium. Or just skin tones.

Marc Wielage wrote:

Cliff Secord wrote:I'm still using Final Cut 7. When that finally becomes untenable I'm going to sell all my equipment and quit. I'd rather invent a time machine, go back to 1968 and turn myself over to the Viet Cong wearing American flag pants than use Media Composer.

I overheard half a dozen editors at the LACPUG meeting 7-8 weeks ago saying that they were going to seriously consider using Resolve 12 as a replacement for FCP7. I don't see the feature set as being less than FCP was, and if anything, it adds another 500-600 features on top of it.

My biggest concern is re-learning a new interface. I spent a decade learning all the intricacies and workarounds of Final Cut and have less than zero interest in starting over on a new platform. I understand it's no small task but Final Cut 7 was just about perfect for 90% of us - it just needed to render faster and hold more than 4gb in the render cache. I so miss the halcyon democratizing days of Steve Jobs making life easier and the tools I needed.

I wish some enterprising sort would buy the old Apple post-universe; FCP, Studio Pro etc and just update it enough to utilize the speed of the newer CPU/GPU's. Most people have dreams of buying an island or a mansion if they win the lottery - all I want to do is buy Final Cut Studio and fix it.

Cliff Secord wrote:Most people have dreams of buying an island or a mansion if they win the lottery - all I want to do is buy Final Cut Studio and fix it.

Maybe worth exploring if there are enough of us to crowd-source the buyout, but I'm pretty sure Apple still thinks they're skating to the puck (but I have seen Gretzky play and so don't get me started).

@Dermot, I am on the same page with editorial -- having cut a couple of low-risk properties, the audio sync was horrible in 11 -- different everytime I played a cut sequence and the cues were all either late or early but never on -- but with this release they're saying in sync to the word level, so pretty tight. As far as tracking goes, I still do all my smoothing in SHAKE, believe it or not (but I'd describe the nreal approach as total control)... and if anything is slightly blurred or goes out of the frame... one word => MochaPro, and g'night Mrs. Lincoln.

I am absolutely interested in staying on top of this development around Resolve, though -- round tripping is still taking all the fun out of this business. Worse when some NLEs hide their fx or implement them in different ways so that what you see is definitely Not what you're going to get.

jPo

Waiting to see if I am going the Resolve route. Still no fork in the road as it were. Debating on Fusion as my title card work is minimal and basic. Might use it to enhance photos though Photoshop will remain in the old tool box. Tapping fingers on desk about to bang my head on the wall. Waiting for the new version to come about is more nerve wrecking and annoying then a faucet that decides to drip all night.

No more waiting, beta is here !
https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/uk/pro ... ciresolve/

Don't forget to backup your database

Antoine Grasset wrote:No more waiting, beta is here !
https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/uk/pro ... ciresolve/

Don't forget to backup your database

Perfect timing! I finished my project last night.

Let me know how it is