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Can it be done?!

Thomas Stigler wrote:Can it be done?!

Not sure how fast it is, but you can use an app like this:

https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/air-dis ... 02646?mt=8

Assuming you are on a Mac

I did this using AirDisplay to put Resolve's scopes on my iPad. I've seen screenshots of people here doing it on an iPhone. Yes, it can be done. Quite easily, actually. It's. Quite responsive, no lag that I noticed. You could even argue that it's better than nothing. Maybe. Resolve's built-in scopes in the lower right are still gonna be much bigger and easier to read fine detail from on your main display than from the tiny screen of a phone.

Eventually I came into possession of an old 19" monitor, attached as second desktop monitor with the internal scopes maximized on it....way, way better. Could actually see without squinting.

Then eventually I scrounged up the dough for a bare-bones Mac mini and Scopebox (and an UltraStudio Mini Recorder and an SDI cable).

Once you experience all the scope possibilities on an external box, you will never go back. Indeed, you will deathly afraid to. Switch your waveform to FLAT while throwing up some channel plots and a Y'CbCr parade and you will see all the horrible illegal nasties that you never could guess from the basic scopes alone (some can be most counter-intuitive).

Moral of the story: as painful as it is on your wallet initially, there is no getting around a good set of external scopes. Thankfully a bottom-rung Mac mini + Mini Recorder + cheap/old monitor + Scopebox can give you most of the pluses of external hardware scopes for a bit under a grand.

(This is assuming you're doing HD 4:2:2 Y'CbCr broadcast. Other types of deliveries may require more sophisticated monitoring hardware).

Tyson J. Grubb wrote:I did this using AirDisplay to put Resolve's scopes on my iPad. I've seen screenshots of people here doing it on an iPhone. Yes, it can be done. Quite easily, actually. It's. Quite responsive, no lag that I noticed. You could even argue that it's better than nothing. Maybe. Resolve's built-in scopes in the lower right are still gonna be much bigger and easier to read fine detail from on your main display than from the tiny screen of a phone.

Eventually I came into possession of an old 19" monitor, attached as second desktop monitor with the internal scopes maximized on it....way, way better. Could actually see without squinting.

Then eventually I scrounged up the dough for a bare-bones Mac mini and Scopebox (and an UltraStudio Mini Recorder and an SDI cable).

Once you experience all the scope possibilities on an external box, you will never go back. Indeed, you will deathly afraid to. Switch your waveform to FLAT while throwing up some channel plots and a Y'CbCr parade and you will see all the horrible illegal nasties that you never could guess from the basic scopes alone (some can be most counter-intuitive).

Moral of the story: as painful as it is on your wallet initially, there is no getting around a good set of external scopes. Thankfully a bottom-rung Mac mini + Mini Recorder + cheap/old monitor + Scopebox can give you most of the pluses of external hardware scopes for a bit under a grand.

(This is assuming you're doing HD 4:2:2 Y'CbCr broadcast. Other types of deliveries may require more sophisticated monitoring hardware).

Or just get a Smartscope!

Haha! Old 4x3 1024x768 IPS displays cost 10x less than iPhone.

Rohit Gupta wrote:

Tyson J. Grubb wrote:I did this using AirDisplay to put Resolve's scopes on my iPad. I've seen screenshots of people here doing it on an iPhone. Yes, it can be done. Quite easily, actually. It's. Quite responsive, no lag that I noticed. You could even argue that it's better than nothing. Maybe. Resolve's built-in scopes in the lower right are still gonna be much bigger and easier to read fine detail from on your main display than from the tiny screen of a phone.

Eventually I came into possession of an old 19" monitor, attached as second desktop monitor with the internal scopes maximized on it....way, way better. Could actually see without squinting.

Then eventually I scrounged up the dough for a bare-bones Mac mini and Scopebox (and an UltraStudio Mini Recorder and an SDI cable).

Once you experience all the scope possibilities on an external box, you will never go back. Indeed, you will deathly afraid to. Switch your waveform to FLAT while throwing up some channel plots and a Y'CbCr parade and you will see all the horrible illegal nasties that you never could guess from the basic scopes alone (some can be most counter-intuitive).

Moral of the story: as painful as it is on your wallet initially, there is no getting around a good set of external scopes. Thankfully a bottom-rung Mac mini + Mini Recorder + cheap/old monitor + Scopebox can give you most of the pluses of external hardware scopes for a bit under a grand.

(This is assuming you're doing HD 4:2:2 Y'CbCr broadcast. Other types of deliveries may require more sophisticated monitoring hardware).

Or just get a Smartscope!

not enough customization on a smartscope.

when it will behave like a Leader I will think about it.

Andrew Bell wrote:Haha! Old 4x3 1024x768 IPS displays cost 10x less than iPhone.

That's what I was thinking. I use a 4x3 19" Dell UltraSharp DVI monitor just for scopes, and I swear it cost me maybe $35 on Craigslist. Works great. I can't imagine trying to use scopes any smaller than that.

Here's what I use - an old 4x3 Sony - it cost tuppence and it just works!

The iPhone battery is bad enough for normal use. Why would anyone want to drain their battery staring at tiny scopes?

Craig Marshall wrote:Here's what I use - an old 4x3 Sony - it cost tuppence and it just works!

Yeah, I'm not sure why, but I kind of find a 4x3 monitor for scopes kind of comforting -- maybe because that's all we had in the late 1990s/early 2000s. And as you say, those flat panel 4x3 displays are unbelievably cheap these days.

Craig Marshall wrote:Here's what I use - an old 4x3 Sony - it cost tuppence and it just works!

I'm sorry about the dumb question, but how it is all connected and set up?

My setup has changed somewhat since this thread was created but in the case of Resolve with a dedicated third monitor for Scopes, (DR v14 in my case) I use an installed Decklink card which directly outputs to my SDI 'reference' monitor and this is now situated dead centre.

DR's GUI display is set to 'single' monitor use but I have two monitors connected to my GPU. One is used for the main GUI display (RH Side) with the Scopes page simply dragged across to the second monitor (LH side) and positioned full screen. I also have a fourth monitor connected to a second GPU which is positioned above the Reference monitor. It is used for OS management and file access/transfers without disturbing the main three monitor display. I also use a 55" 4K TV for client viewing. It is in the same room but offset so viewers only see one screen. It is driven from the Decklink card's second 4K SDI output.

With the three monitors set up in a small arc in front of the operator, ergonomics is quite comfortable.

Marc Wielage wrote:Yeah, I'm not sure why, but I kind of find a 4x3 monitor for scopes kind of comforting -- maybe because that's all we had in the late 1990s/early 2000s. And as you say, those flat panel 4x3 displays are unbelievably cheap these days.

And just to completely reverse myself 2 years later, now I'm using a 21x9 LG display just for scopes, so I can cram in the Scopebox HSL display on the right. Eh, it was on sale for $140 on Amazon, so I figured what the hell.

I have used a programme called Duet with an iPad and it worked ok. I also use it as a second monitor when I am editing on my laptop. https://www.duetdisplay.com

That's a much more interesting option than a tiny smartphone screen. The display of iPads is also quite close to Rec709, I'm not sure if the same is true for iPhones.

Tyson J. Grubb wrote:(This is assuming you're doing HD 4:2:2 Y'CbCr broadcast. Other types of deliveries may require more sophisticated monitoring hardware).

The current version of ScopeBox supports 10bit, 4:2:2 and/or 4:4:4.

Hi all,

this is a very interesting question...how to have a dedicated monitor just for scopes...

from what i can see in all pictures you have posted, all of you are using just one monitor for DaVinci
interface...

what about those who use two monitors for DR interface? How can i have a third one just for scopes?

and if your answer is: just plug another monitor to your cpu...will this option slow my mac pro?

thanks.

n.

Marc Wielage wrote:now I'm using a 21x9 LG display just for scopes

I was using an older 4x3 HP graphics monitor (VGA converted from DVI) out of my TVM-900 HD-SDI external scope, but owing to moves and space consideration, downsizing drastically and now seeing the need to concentrate monitor usage. So I am headed down the path of Scopebox and borrowing (or double-dutying) my iMac5K administration desktop interfaced with an UltraStudio4K. Should be able to create a fairly informative window wall of scope data. Mostly looking forward to synthesizing the Tek "double-diamond."

Marc, I'm digging the CHROMA logo, but I'm losing the "O" on the yellow bg... "It's gotta work in black and white, too..."

jPo, CSI

Nuno Santos Lopes wrote: How can i have a third one just for scopes?...

It seems that the current DR software does not allow for two monitor display plus a third for the scopes page. Best solution for Mac users who want this is probably Scopebox.