Using an iPad/tablet as reference monitor....

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Stephen Perera

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Using an iPad/tablet as reference monitor....

PostTue May 02, 2017 10:29 am

....a lot of us generate content for YouTube and Vimeo as the common denominator so to speak...so why doesn't DaVinci Resolve create a way of using a tablet as a reference monitor.....OR tell me how to do it if already possible!!!!!.....I have an app called DUET which is well known....I've also contacted DUET about this and I hope Blackmagic read this too.....if the panels on daVinci were movable and we could move the reference monitor onto the tablet that would be fantastic.....DUET in fact emailed back saying this exactly:

Hi Stephen,
Thank you for your reply.
Yes, we're working on implement the support for DaVinchi Resolve. I cannot provide you the ETA though.
From the number of feature requests, we can tell how fantastic the app is.
I hope you understand.
I'll let you know once we sorted out the issue.
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Re: Using an iPad/tablet as reference monitor....

PostWed May 03, 2017 6:08 am

I think this is a bad idea for a variety of reasons. The iPad is no kind of "reference" at all, because it doesn't relate to any known quantified industry standard.
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PostWed May 03, 2017 7:54 am

was wondering if that was a serious question ;-)
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PostWed May 03, 2017 11:24 am

Leslie Wand wrote:was wondering if that was a serious question ;-)

Always hard to tell around this place.
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Re: Using an iPad/tablet as reference monitor....

PostWed May 03, 2017 12:55 pm

Marc Wielage wrote:I think this is a bad idea for a variety of reasons. The iPad is no kind of "reference" at all, because it doesn't relate to any known quantified industry standard.


iPad mini4 seams to be most accurate- almost perfect 2.2 gamma and 6.5K temp and good Rec.709 coverage.
There are good when it comes to gamut, but white point and gamma is more of an issue.

http://displaymate.com/mobile.html#Tablets

Well known reference monitor maker done measurements between different units and they ware very surprised as they seams to be not much deviation between units, which is good.

Also Samsung S8 screen is quite outstanding:

http://displaymate.com/Galaxy_S8_ShootOut_01.htm

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Re: Using an iPad/tablet as reference monitor....

PostWed May 03, 2017 1:59 pm

Leslie Wand wrote:was wondering if that was a serious question ;-)


It's a well known problem that "youtube" projects are reviewed very often on consumer screens (regardless of grading session in studio), including iPads.
We are not talking about home projects, but huge projects with big budget. I can assure you that at top VFX house in London question about preview on iPad/Mac screen was a very hot topic.

If we talk about smaller project this makes 10x more sense.
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Re: Using an iPad/tablet as reference monitor....

PostWed May 03, 2017 3:54 pm

Tablets typically don't have any way to get video in. Normally they have only outputs.
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Re: Using an iPad/tablet as reference monitor....

PostWed May 03, 2017 3:56 pm

Some have HDMI in, but this is veery rare.
Only way is by streaming, but this is rather not optimal quality.
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Re: Using an iPad/tablet as reference monitor....

PostWed May 03, 2017 6:29 pm

Andrew Kolakowski wrote:Some have HDMI in, but this is veery rare.
Only way is by streaming, but this is rather not optimal quality.


Everything you will ever see on iPad will most likely be streamed content. So if all you're trying to do is see how final product will look like on iPad you can use Teradek Cube to get SDI or HDMI feed to several iPads.
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Re: Using an iPad/tablet as reference monitor....

PostWed May 03, 2017 6:41 pm

True, so maybe this is good enough :)
These are quite expensive.
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Re: Using an iPad/tablet as reference monitor....

PostWed May 03, 2017 7:02 pm

I wouldn't try to use an iPad as a grade monitor, but everything I've seen for the past couple of years is that, yes, they are surprisingly close and consistent.

I think I'd stay orthodox for grade, but the anecdotal evidence is that creating a good H.264 and streaming it for preview (which is going to happen at a distribution level whether you like it or not) is going to indicate what the viewing public is going to see.

Its the end-product implementation of why and how we need to be far more aware of display-reference workflow.

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PostWed May 03, 2017 7:07 pm

Can't you take the SDI out into a Blackmagic Web Presenter or similar and just run it on a private network?
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PostWed May 03, 2017 7:27 pm

Whatever can stream may work.
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Re: Using an iPad/tablet as reference monitor....

PostThu May 04, 2017 8:11 am

I think using an iPad is fine for checking framing and focus and performance and so on, so in that respect it's fine for dailies. I think it would also be OK for VFX in terms of seeing if the perspective and movement all make sense within the shot.

I wouldn't trust it for color. I also wouldn't trust an off-shelf unadjusted computer monitor under $1000 either. If you can calibrate it at least to a point, and get it in the direction of Rec709, it can be acceptable for rough purposes. And I send versions of stuff for approval to clients all the time on Frame.io and Vimeo, and they get that while their monitor may not be calibrated, they can at least see in context if the thing works or not. I don't have a problem with that for projects at a certain level.
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Re: Using an iPad/tablet as reference monitor....

PostThu May 04, 2017 11:19 am

Marc Wielage wrote:
Leslie Wand wrote:was wondering if that was a serious question ;-)

Always hard to tell around this place.

....it WAS a serious question.....for those that can speak/understand Spanish have a listen to this where Oscar winning Juan Ignacio Cabrera working in Hollywood speaks of why he is sending stuff to his Director (for a film he is working on at the moment) for him to look at on iPhone/iPad via VIMEO (passworded)!!!! cos he knows the colours will be accurate and they will both be looking at the same 'colour'
watch as from minute 20 onwards....


......also, a lot of us create content for social media using DaVinci Resolve and if your audience watches your stuff on phones and tablets makes sense to me to use one as a reference to see what they will be watching......furthermore I wonder how many BIG films are watched in the cinema compared to on iPads at home.....

My suggestion is for DaVinci Resolve to enable us to move the viewing screen to a second or third monitor at which time I would use it as a reference using DUET for example as I mentioned.....

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